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MrStirFry99John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I SAID, Ye are gods?" Jesus said himself that we are gods. little g.
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What is happening in John 10 is an extension of what happens when jews try to kill Jesus. I'll use the same gospel for consistency. John 7:14-24 is a good example. Verse 19 and 26 sum up Jesus' rebuttal nicely. Keep these in mind going forward:
19 "Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. Why do you seek to kill me?"
26 "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgement."
As for John 10:34, consider reading the context from verses 22-39. Jesus claims to be consecrated (operating with distinction) by the Father to do His good works and rebukes them for not recognizing it. The Jews ("to whom the word of God came") were supposed to keep the law, and judge rightly if it has been broken, but haven't done either and seem to be only interested in the law inasmuch as they can condemn Jesus. Psalm 82 is speaking to those who were set up to carry out God's judgement. They judge like gods, die like humans.
This becomes more apparent when we consider that John 10:34 is a reference to Psalm 82 which is a reference to Exodus 22:9 (Asaph didn't just decide humans were gods on his own) via the word Elohim used for God/gods/judges (Strong's Number: 430) and context. Psalm 82 (and John 10:34 by extension) is an indictment on the people who should know better who are using bad judgement.
Thinking Jesus is saying we are all gods, while Jesus also claims to be consecrated (set apart) here and elsewhere in Scripture, betrays wishful thinking on the part of the reader. Had to deal with this stuff when Jordan Peterson (and Pageau by extension) became more popular. Annoying and misleading.
I should probably stop here.
19 "Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. Why do you seek to kill me?"
26 "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgement."
As for John 10:34, consider reading the context from verses 22-39. Jesus claims to be consecrated (operating with distinction) by the Father to do His good works and rebukes them for not recognizing it. The Jews ("to whom the word of God came") were supposed to keep the law, and judge rightly if it has been broken, but haven't done either and seem to be only interested in the law inasmuch as they can condemn Jesus. Psalm 82 is speaking to those who were set up to carry out God's judgement. They judge like gods, die like humans.
This becomes more apparent when we consider that John 10:34 is a reference to Psalm 82 which is a reference to Exodus 22:9 (Asaph didn't just decide humans were gods on his own) via the word Elohim used for God/gods/judges (Strong's Number: 430) and context. Psalm 82 (and John 10:34 by extension) is an indictment on the people who should know better who are using bad judgement.
Thinking Jesus is saying we are all gods, while Jesus also claims to be consecrated (set apart) here and elsewhere in Scripture, betrays wishful thinking on the part of the reader. Had to deal with this stuff when Jordan Peterson (and Pageau by extension) became more popular. Annoying and misleading.
I should probably stop here.
Note: Caution is advised when looking at Scripture through the trappings of human language (like CLT). Hebrew and Greek are not divine/flawless languages and have the same limitations of any language, so understanding God via a dictionary (or the like) will only get you so far. Remember God's work at the Tower of Babel. |
Only spoke to this due to this idea gaining popularity and Nick's CLT leanings. Hopefully someone finds it useful here.