Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Secret Asshole]

I don't even think they could get away with a draft today. A large part of the population just sees the US government as a thing that gives out gibs. They don't actually have much respect for it's authority or 'Merica. And the US military has been turned in to a jobs program for POC rather then a fighting force.

No draft would be effective. Not to meniton most of the population is too obese and sick to get drafted. Not to mention with the amount on anti-depressants. Not only that, but the US government has fostered a fractured, self-interested mercenary society organized around nothing. There's very little nationalistic imperative. The military is looked at as a job not to mention the fact that nationalistic people are viewed as retarded by mainstream society and media.

Nobody wants to go to war to die for Ukraine or Taiwan. We're happy to let other people do the dying, but I think the boomers and neo-cons/libs are in a rude awakening when they've made everything easier to rob for themselves, except nobody wants to be the body that does it.

That's not the case, its that most latinos here came running away from the commie bullshit that wrecked their countries. LATAM was far better off economically 100 years ago than now, many countries there were experiencing huge economic booms, but it all came crashing down when commie-lite governments took control, and I say 'lite' because while they didn't go full-commie they implemented enough bad ideas to sink entire countries.

For every latino you see doing lefty shit or marching with la raza you got 1000 who don't want to have anything to do with "the ol' country" anymore, the cubans being the best example. If a war happened that silent majority would not join mexico's side, not even as a joke.

Meanwhile we're full of mainlander chinese who are actually fuerdai loyal to the party because that's the only reason their useless asses are rich instead of knee deep in mud tending the rice fields, their ethnic nationalism is sky high.

Oh, I can tell you straight up most Chinese would stab the US in the back during a war in a heartbeat. I've known Chinese exchange students just blasting China #1. That's why China has us beat, the US is a mercenary society with no glue holding it together except the pursuit of money, China is held together by thinking they're the best people and nation on Earth.

That's only true with Argentina, the rest of Latin America had shitty economies ruled by British and American banks whose entire purpose was to sell agricultural/mineral goods to the US/British Empire. They had boom periods and bust periods depending on commodity prices, and the commies got in power during the latter when the corrupt governments (writings of the day note how easy it was to bribe Latin American politicians) fucked up big time. There's actually a lot in common with post-2014 Ukraine, and especially post-2018 Ukraine when ZMan took some IMF money and got rid of laws like forbidding foreigners from literally stripping off Ukrainian soil and selling it abroad. And it shouldn't be surprising given today's Western imperialist machine driven by bankers and billionaires that thrives off fake "revolutions" was created and honed in Latin America.

We've fucked SA so many times that its no wonder half of the contient wants to join up with BRICS. Then you have German ambassadors screaming at Brazilians to care about Ukraine while they're living in poverty. SA doesn't need a reason to fuck with America, they've been waiting for one.

South America is poor directly because of constant meddling of the United States. Getting into BRICS and an economic alliance with China would make it a lot harder for the US to do its color revolution bullshit.

It has been the best propaganda machine ive ever experienced. I gotta give em that. I remember there was a long time, even here were the uncertainty over what was really going on was constant and victory was the word .

You really do have to have a pattern based brain to see the holes and inconsistency's stack up.


I cant remember the last time anything like that happened. the glowies are supposed to be un-touchable in war barring the odd exception.

Now they are getting wiped out wholesale and there's not a dam thing they can do about it unless they want to raise the stakes to WW3. I cant imagine many of them wanting to go into the killzone now.

Glowies haven't fought an equal enemy the same as the US army hasn't. Most people are just used to the USA fighting asymmetrical warfare against nomads in the desert whose most advanced military vehicle was the technical with a fifty-year old soviet AA gun attached. Glowies also want to focus up on China bad, but boomers have basically forced them into this war and now they're getting merked along with Ukraine's command structure. Except for Zelensky, because having that retard in charge is important as fuck.

Now, you are fighting a war against an opponent with air, land and sea capabilities, intelligence organizations, modern weaponry and the like. A war like this hasn't occured in sixty to seventy years. We're used to fighting much weaker opponents (and still losing btw), so that's the frame of reference. A lot of people are treating the Russians like the Iraqis or Afghans and it is a huge mistake, and a lot of people (including NATO and the West) have not woken up to this reality that their equipment and tactics are not unbeatable and the opponents they've been fighting are largely weak states and non-state actors. Going up against a strong, self-sufficent regional power with modern capabilities is not something they're used to doing.

 

[Stasi]

Russian news site Readovka are reporting on their TG channel that head of Ukrainian GUR Budanov has died without regaining consciousness. They are citing Ilia Kiva (former Ukrainian politician, open nazi and member of right sector, now allegedly "rehabilitated" and doing the rounds on Russian TV shows) who himself says the information came from the Ukrainian embassy in Germany.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Well of course. The strategy was supposed to be sanction larger powers to the extreme. Except it turns out that when you blow your load over anything and everything, they start adapting. Amazing. Russians aren't quite the dumb Tolkien orcs that media pretends. Then they start finding other powers that are also tired of the bullshit.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Well of course. The strategy was supposed to be sanction larger powers to the extreme. Except it turns out that when you blow your load over anything and everything, they start adapting. Amazing. Russians aren't quite the dumb Tolkien orcs that media pretends. Then they start finding other powers that are also tired of the bullshit.

The whole point was to balkanize Russia, which obviously failed and is absolutely delusional to the point that China would never let that happen. As in, if it were going to happen, China would have stepped in. But it didn't because Russia has been preparing its economy to be isolated for nearly a decade and it obviously worked. Not to mention food prices in Russia are nowhere near as expensive as the West because personal gardens are huge.

Also, China technically did step in, because the second Western products were removed, Chinese products replaced them. Not to mention this encourages Russia to laugh at Western copyright, and as a former member of the G-8 it did, so that's another market that's going to be closed off forever.

 

[Sniperwoof]

The whole point was to balkanize Russia, which obviously failed and is absolutely delusional to the point that China would never let that happen. As in, if it were going to happen, China would have stepped in. But it didn't because Russia has been preparing its economy to be isolated for nearly a decade and it obviously worked. Not to mention food prices in Russia are nowhere near as expensive as the West because personal gardens are huge.

Also, China technically did step in, because the second Western products were removed, Chinese products replaced them. Not to mention this encourages Russia to laugh at Western copyright, and as a former member of the G-8 it did, so that's another market that's going to be closed off forever.

I remember when Russia got cut off from payment processors and media outlets like CNN were saying Putler was owned and Russia would collapse within days and like four hours later they got hooked up to whatever system China uses to process that shit.

The net impact of the fearsome Amerifat isolating sanctions was people not able to use their debit cards for a couple hours.

wow much sanctions, very effective.

Something like 86% of Russian men between 15 and 45 were dead following WWII and they bounced back, the idea that some petty sanctions will collapse Russia is fucking insane.

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

I remember when Russia got cut off from payment processors and media outlets like CNN were saying Putler was owned and Russia would collapse within days and like four hours later they got hooked up to whatever system China uses to process that shit.

The net impact of the fearsome Amerifat isolating sanctions was people not able to use their debit cards for a couple hours.

wow much sanctions, very effective.

Something like 86% of Russian men between 15 and 45 were dead following WWII and they bounced back, the idea that some petty sanctions will collapse Russia is fucking insane.

The sanctions will kick in any day now. I've been told by reliable experts in the media that the RuZZian subhuman orcs will run out of ammunition, fuel, and food by Sunday. In early March. Last year.

Two more weeks to flatten the invasion!

 

[Susanna]

As a reminder, the West is peeling off a lot of advanced armor from these tanks because they don't want them to fall into Russian hands. The Abrams that are going over there right now have armor from the 1980s and have been stripped of the modern systems to not fall into Russian hands. So they're not going to be 100% effective, though they wouldn't be anyway.

So the Leopard 1s may actually be more useful than the Leopard 2s, since at least they were actually designed to be unarmoured.

 

[Duke Nukem]

There are some good individual sources I follow but for aggregating a lot of different areas of interest in the news I don't know of anywhere better than KiwiFarms. Which yes, is worrying.

If you went back a few years and told me that the only reliable source of information available to me would be a website centered around an autistic fat retard who shits himself and wrote a bad comic, I'd have had you committed.

 

[ditto]

There's very little nationalistic imperative.

It would be hilarious to watch them try a draft.

Imagine dangerhair troons giving white feathers to MAGA hat conscientious objectors.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Russian news site Readovka are reporting on their TG channel that head of Ukrainian GUR Budanov has died without regaining consciousness. They are citing Ilia Kiva (former Ukrainian politician, open nazi and member of right sector, now allegedly "rehabilitated" and doing the rounds on Russian TV shows) who himself says the information came from the Ukrainian embassy in Germany.
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I hope that smug fuck caught a Kalibur right on his enormous forehead.

 

[Betonhaus]

Not to mention food prices in Russia are nowhere near as expensive as the West because personal gardens are huge.

You have no idea how jealous that statement makes me. What do apartment buildings and such do?

I remember when Russia got cut off from payment processors and media outlets like CNN were saying Putler was owned and Russia would collapse within days and like four hours later they got hooked up to whatever system China uses to process that shit.

The net impact of the fearsome Amerifat isolating sanctions was people not able to use their debit cards for a couple hours.

This? this is interesting. Something that major isn't as simple as signing a generic contract and pointing your network at a new server. it would've involved a lot of negotiation and technical work to make things work. For a switchover to occur in four hours, not were they planning this, but they already had things ready so they could flip some switches once they got the all-clear.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I remember when Russia got cut off from payment processors and media outlets like CNN were saying Putler was owned and Russia would collapse within days and like four hours later they got hooked up to whatever system China uses to process that shit.

The net impact of the fearsome Amerifat isolating sanctions was people not able to use their debit cards for a couple hours.

wow much sanctions, very effective.

Something like 86% of Russian men between 15 and 45 were dead following WWII and they bounced back, the idea that some petty sanctions will collapse Russia is fucking insane.

The best part is that people in power were shocked at this, absolutely shocked. They were also shocked and fuming when Russia basically seized all corpo assets when they left Russia. Like nigger, what the fuck are you goi9ng to do? There's literally no more consequences you can heap on them. So they're now just going to steal your IP, your businesses and your cash with impunity. Weaponizing the Western Economy was also the dumbest fucking move possible as it directly lead to breaks in Western Hegemony and China expanding BRICS. The economic damage this has done is unbelievable.

The West has 100% underestimated Russia. Russia knows suffering and misery. The West can hardly handle being called a different pronoun without going into conniptions. The two cultures are worlds apart. Also this isn't the first time the West has wanted to destroy Russian unity, so its not like this came out of left field.

So the Leopard 1s may actually be more useful than the Leopard 2s, since at least they were actually designed to be unarmoured.

I don't think anything is going to be useful to them at this point, their rates of attrition are fucking horrific and they're not even reaching line one of a five line deep defense. Their successes are limited to capturing outlining villages and getting destroyed by extremely cheap drones and artillery. The amount of dollar loss in NATO equipment to Russian equipment in this offensive is astronomical.

It would be hilarious to watch them try a draft.

Imagine dangerhair troons giving white feathers to MAGA hat conscientious objectors.

Boomers in congress and stupid neo-con faggots still believe that MAGA country respects the military. They don't. A lot of those people have stopped joining the military and most won't even touch it with a ten foot pole. Also even trying to rile up nationalistic sentiment is hilarious.

What the fuck would you even do it for? Its hysterical to think they could leverage it.

You have no idea how jealous that statement makes me. What do apartment buildings and such do?

Its more outside of major cities, but Russia has a LOT of land and a lot of people being self-sufficent on that land through WWI-WWII-USSR and beyond, so they're a lot less affected by food prices because they've needed to be self-sufficent for a long time. Obviously, even in major cities, there's still going to be an excess of supply, so less demand which means lower prices overall.

 

[make_it_so]

The West has 100% underestimated Russia. Russia knows suffering and misery. The West can hardly handle being called a different pronoun without going into conniptions. The two cultures are worlds apart. Also this isn't the first time the West has wanted to destroy Russian unity, so its not like this came out of left field.

What absolutely floored me when this whole shitshow started was the number of people - supposedly smart and educated people, mind you - that unironically embraced Hitler's view of Russia: "One need only to kick in the door, and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."

Considering what that attitude ultimately brought to him and his contemporaries, you'd think people would've stopped and thought twice...

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

You have no idea how jealous that statement makes me. What do apartment buildings and such do?

Easy enough to get a plot of land half an hour away from the city by train, since the USSR would give them away for free. People have been kind of gentrifying those during the fat years between 2000-2020, but the older generation is still planting their potatoes, tomatoes, cucumbers, pumpkins, zuccinis, apples, black- and redcurrants and what have you. Always a fight between "Mom, I came here to rest and we only bought it to have a place to grill anyway" and "You can rest after you've dug up another patch for planting potatoes". Preferably with a shovel, because the older folks scoff at using them fancy expensive cultivators and whatnot, it's practically cheating. If your back does not ache strongly enough to kill you the labor does not count. The ancestors suffered, so you must too.



Note the vegetable patches, the hothouses and the butt-fugly fences so that no hobo comes to steal the harvest.

 

[DagothUr]

So the counteroffensive has officially begun, right? And so far very little has been accomplished except for that small string of towns on that salient and losing a load of armour.
They are not close to even the first line of defense and have already lost so much of their shit.

ZOG media resorted to schizo-copes over Bakhmut. I saw one of the British tabloids actually saying that "Bakhmut was nearly encircled by Ukranian" or that it was actually the Russians who were retreating from the city.

Even the Ukranian army has resorted to raiding Russian towns.

Is this even recoverable? Will Ukranian heros liberate Crimea to make room for 60000000000 African migrants and US military bases? Or are they just gonna keep burning up before another Russian offensive as the whole thing is quietly dropped in western media?

 

[Secret Asshole]

So the counteroffensive has officially begun, right? And so far very little has been accomplished except for that small string of towns on that salient and losing a load of armour.
They are not close to even the first line of defense and have already lost so much of their shit.

ZOG media resorted to schizo-copes over Bakhmut. I saw one of the British tabloids actually saying that "Bakhmut was nearly encircled by Ukranian" or that it was actually the Russians who were retreating from the city.

Even the Ukranian army has resorted to raiding Russian towns.

Is this even recoverable? Will Ukranian heros liberate Crimea to make room for 60000000000 African migrants and US military bases? Or are they just gonna keep burning up before another Russian offensive as the whole thing is quietly dropped in western media?

The current cope is that they still have forces in reserve, but their entire offensive plan has been leaked, comprising of a 'distraction force' and a 'main force' (basically sending their more 'green' troops to fucking die as a distraction to tie up Russia while the 'main force' tries to punch through). However the entire offensive has completely stalled, and also with the loss of leadership its unknown what they plan to do.

The problem is they're losing millions upon millions in equipment to extremely cheap loitering munitions. Not to mention important mine clearing vehicles, which are not easily replaced, though it doesn't seem like Ukraine has competent sappers or combat engineers on the field right now and the West is not going to risk those experienced troops for them.

There's also the fact that there's really no equipment left to send. Its obvious at this point there's no wunderwaffen that's going to mystically turn this around (which should have been obvious, Eastern equipment has always been designed to counter West, no matter how expensive the West gets).

What absolutely floored me when this whole shitshow started was the number of people - supposedly smart and educated people, mind you - that unironically embraced Hitler's view of Russia: "One need only to kick in the door, and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."

Considering what that attitude ultimately brought to him and his contemporaries, you'd think people would've stopped and thought twice...

The thing is they have no fucking clue about anything since its been decades upon decades since anything like this occured. They viewed the collapse of the USSR, the weakness and corruption endemic in Russia and believed the hype. The same people said Afghanistan would take at least 2 months to fall when it took little under a week or two.

This should tell you how intelligent these people are. They believe their own bullshit.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

It's the roof/turret of a Leopard 2A4, completely rekt and peeled off like cardboard, and while I don't know the exact circumstances it was mentioned there was one death from it.

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That armor isn't 40mm; its not even as thick as that soldier's sole. This is an older tank. Maybe Bogdan will have better luck with the old Merkavas they're reportedly trying to buy from the Chosen but I doubt it.

There is no Wunderwaffe in the world that can change the outcome of this war. The only thing that might make a difference is all those keyboard warriors getting their fat asses yanked from their gaming chairs and being thrown into the meatgrinder, but that might make it worse if it spurs China to enter the chat.

A big part of the armor upgrades on the Leopard 2A5/6/7/8 was much better turret armor, including the roof armor.

So the Leopard 1s may actually be more useful than the Leopard 2s, since at least they were actually designed to be unarmoured.

Hehe this war has finally put to test the "GERMAN PANZERS BEST IN THE WORLD".... HOW ABOUT NO Hans, sit down and shit the fuck up, it's not 1941 anymore, your Leopard 2 was vaporized by Kurds with Russian ATGMs in Syria and the A6 model was smacked by Russian FPV drones and helicopter ATGMs in Ukraine (so far)

The Leopard 1 is a design from.... 1962. It's armor is shockingly thin. It's gun will have trouble with T-72B armor from 1985, anything newer is getting extremely hard to penetrate.

So the counteroffensive has officially begun, right? And so far very little has been accomplished except for that small string of towns on that salient and losing a load of armour.
They are not close to even the first line of defense and have already lost so much of their shit.

ZOG media resorted to schizo-copes over Bakhmut. I saw one of the British tabloids actually saying that "Bakhmut was nearly encircled by Ukranian" or that it was actually the Russians who were retreating from the city.

Even the Ukranian army has resorted to raiding Russian towns.

Is this even recoverable? Will Ukranian heros liberate Crimea to make room for 60000000000 African migrants and US military bases? Or are they just gonna keep burning up before another Russian offensive as the whole thing is quietly dropped in western media?

As of today, Ukraine has verifiably taken.... 100 square kilometers of territory and.... maybe 5 towns.

They lost, on camera, dozens of tanks, trucks, APCs, IFVs, artillery systems, radar, EW systems, troops and supplies.

 

[CarlosDanger]

I'm seeing more and more reports about Ukraine potentially being led into a trap and suffering a massive amount of casualties.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

though it doesn't seem like Ukraine has competent sappers or combat engineers on the field right now

The most competent sappers in the world isn't going to be able to do shit when a UAV spots him and he gets an entire battalion worth of ordinance (Which old Soviet stockpiles are plenty) launched against him. Ukraine lost when they let the Russians finish building these defenses. Short of a massive air campaign to obliterate the entirety of Russian logistics and artillery it isn't happening. I'm not even sure NATO can do that effectively without nuclear exchanges.

Hitler's view of Russia: "One need only to kick in the door, and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."

The Russians literally fought the Turks for 4 centuries over what is now Ukraine + Crimea. They also scorch earthed the entire retreat path + extra past Moscow in 1812. That's not a country that's just going to roll over and give up like France (or Denmark) in 1940.

The whole point was to balkanize Russia, which obviously failed and is absolutely delusional to the point that China would never let that happen

The biggest supplier of drones to both sides right now is China. Not the high altitude ones, but the man portable ones with a grenade or the suicidal loitering munitions.

 

[Betonhaus]

Preferably with a shovel, because the older folks scoff at using them fancy expensive cultivators and whatnot, it's practically cheating. If your back does not ache strongly enough to kill you the labor does not count. The ancestors suffered, so you must too.

That I do find a little strange, as rototillers are considered a necessity. i think my mom still ahs my grandpa's old one in a shed somewhere