Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Sniperwoof]

Im not very good with Googling (or the equivalent with other search engines), so I figured you guys might be the best shot at learning. Are there any Russian charities we in the west can send donations? I'll admit I'm mostly interested in making a hyper Ukraine-simp seethe, but I'm still curious regardless if even charities in Russia have been cut off

Don't be retarded, there is literally a 100% chance of you being van'd and black bagged if you try to send money to the Russian Military.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Neither side can. The Ukrops will eventually run out of manpower as the West runs out of shit to send them, and the West isn't going to start a nuclear war for them. Russia doesn't seem to have the staying power for a true offensive anymore, which is a terrible situation when they're the nominal attacker.

Well, ACKSHUALLY Russia could technically draft another 800k+ men, militarize the economy, go full Red Alert, seize Kiev and get itself a border with Poland. Technically. On paper.

Realistically such an effort would lead to unprecedented civil unrest and may very well shatter it much to Uncle Sam's relief, Which is why Putin's government is going out of its way to ensure the life in the country proceeds undisrupted, pays ridiculous sums of money to volunteers and keeps signaling that it is ready to say "gg" whenever Ukraine admits it won't get its stuff back and will never become a member of NATO.

The situation reminds me of how they allegedly trap monkeys in India. Put some candy in a bottle with a narrow mouth and voila, the monkey grabs the candy and can't get away until it opens its fist. But is too greedy to do so.

As such, the current plan is to put up defenses and occasionally grab a cabbage patch here, a small hamlet there, moving ahead at the glacier's pace and hoping for the political climate to change. Either it does or the glacier's progress will reach the border with Poland by 2060.

Anyway, picture time! This is what the current landscape above the exploded dam looks like. About 4 kilometers' worth of silt in the narrowest place. Imagine trying to cross it either by foot or by vehicle.

 

[Skeletonized Cow]

Don't be retarded, there is literally a 100% chance of you being van'd and black bagged if you try to send money to the Russian Military.

I don't need to send it to the Russian army like how Ukraine-simps send them to the Hohol Fighting Forces, but to something actually in Russia. Like a charity that helps the poor or something.


Anything that isn't one of the charities "to save Russian LGBTQBBQ Youths" or "Help stop political persecution in Russia" as the charities I found were.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Don't be retarded, there is literally a 100% chance of you being van'd and black bagged if you try to send money to the Russian Military.

Humanitarian aid is not subject to sanctions.

Anything that isn't one of the charities "to save Russian LGBTQBBQ Youths" or "Help stop political persecution in Russia" as the charities I found were.

Good luck getting approval from the US State Department, because that's who decides which charities are acceptable and which are not, and you have to get their permission first.

Also you will be put on a list for sure.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

As such, the current plan is to put up defenses and occasionally grab a cabbage patch here, a small hamlet there, moving ahead at the glacier's pace and hoping for the political climate to change. Either it does or the glacier's progress will reach the border with Poland by 2060.

Which is a terrible strategy that goes against every rule of war and at best will just cost Russia a bunch of lives, money, and equipment that otherwise wouldn't be lost. It's also very risky assuming the hohols somehow get another shot in the ass like last year since they could take a bunch of land. Although at this point they'd need like 50-100K glownigger "mercenaries" and some actual NATO equipment and not the stripped down trash that's getting smashed up now.

If Russia has a winning strategy now, it's to counter this offensive when the Ukraine can least afford it, push the front as far back as possible, and THEN sit down and wait for the Ukrops to exhaust themselves. LPR/DPR at minimum need to have the Ukrops booted out.

 

[Susanna]

I don't need to send it to the Russian army like how Ukraine-simps send them to the Hohol Fighting Forces, but to something actually in Russia. Like a charity that helps the poor or something.


Anything that isn't one of the charities "to save Russian LGBTQBBQ Youths" or "Help stop political persecution in Russia" as the charities I found were.

Search for "благотворительные фонды" on yandex and pick one that seems likely. If you're unsure you can PM me and I'll let you know if I think you've made a good choice or not. Children's charities are a good place to start, we don't really have any "help us castrate boys" fonds like the west are so fond of, most children's charities will be things like "help organise housing so parents of terminally ill children can live near the hospital" and "summer camps for ill/disabled/impoverished/orphaned children". Homeless charities are also worth looking into, Russia gets cold in the winter and the homeless need warm shelters.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

If Russia has a winning strategy now, it's to counter this offensive when the Ukraine can least afford it, push the front as far back as possible, and THEN sit down and wait for the Ukrops to exhaust themselves. LPR/DPR at minimum need to have the Ukrops booted out.

Opsec is tight, but the Kadyrovites are doing... something. Wagner is coming back in August. The volunteer recruitment centers have been given target numbers to fill.

Russia is also going on the offensive in the media space, presenting the African delegation with papers Ukraine signed in Istanbul back in 2022 and then promptly went back on after the Russian troops withdrew from Kiev.

The moves are still being made, whatever they are.

 

[The Ugly One]

Neither side can. The Ukrops will eventually run out of manpower as the West runs out of shit to send them, and the West isn't going to start a nuclear war for them. Russia doesn't seem to have the staying power for a true offensive anymore, which is a terrible situation when they're the nominal attacker.

Russia doesn't need to occupy Ukraine. They need to break the AUF so badly and cause so much pain that domestic political support for the war collapses.

 

[Overly Serious]

It's probably a stretch goal but I'd kind of like to see Russia end up with Odessa. Not for Russia's sake, but for Odessa's.

 

[marfusha]

It's probably a stretch goal but I'd kind of like to see Russia end up with Odessa. Not for Russia's sake, but for Odessa's.

To take Odessa russkies need to take Nikolaev. And to take Nikolaev they need to retake Kherson. Currently it's unrealistic.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Russia doesn't need to occupy Ukraine. They need to break the AUF so badly and cause so much pain that domestic political support for the war collapses.

Ukronazi support is very, very high in about 1/3 of Ukraine, and most in the east have either fled to Russia already or been killed in battle. I just don't see it coming, ZMan has been warned repeatedly by his Nazi allies that he'll be overthrown if he surrenders, and probably will get suicided by the West since he knows the child trafficking, drug habits, and bank records of all the Western political leaders.

To take Odessa russkies need to take Nikolaev. And to take Nikolaev they need to retake Kherson. Currently it's unrealistic.

That's why abandoning Kherson was a terrible, terrible mistake. Better to make the Ukrops fight for it, which would've tied down a lot of their troops for either the same result (Ukrops take Kherson) or Russians relieving the siege and having more options for offensives.

 

[01169]

The sanctions will kick in any day now. I've been told by reliable experts in the media that the RuZZian subhuman orcs will run out of ammunition, fuel, and food by Sunday. In early March. Last year.

Two more weeks to flatten the invasion!

Funny thing about these sanctions, it hurts western people living in Russia more than Russians themselves. People like my father can't use their credit cards anymore, they have to go to ridiculous lengths to get back to their relatives (granted so do Russians with relatives living in the West), everything surrounding their stay in Russia has become a bit more uncertain because you never know how your homecountry will sperg out.

 

[Eternal Gopnik]

It's a bunch of fields and """towns""" of <5 houses

That's not even enough homes to classify as a hamlet. It's just be an isolated dwelling

Funnily enough, the name of the village that the Ukrainians captured recently, P'yatykhatky, literally means "five cottages". Not that the name ensures that it's actually five cottages, there's even a district in Kiev with that name, but I thought it was pretty funny. Here it is: https://goo.gl/maps/SdVVQ7axRYPEbUDU6

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Yo how is the offensive going? I reached to prigozin giving congratulations to ruskie troops about something and this past week stuff turned too technical for my brain. Is russia losing? Or is it Ukraine just firing everything they got ? I am so confused explain to me like i am retarded

 

[make_it_so]

I am half-convinced Russia entered Ukraine not out of strength, but out of weakness; the 200k troops of the initial invasion was a ridiculously small number nowhere near enough to pacify much more than what they have now. I'm not quite sure exactly what precipitated the invasion, but it just never seemed planned out to the degree it should have been. Russia has certainly done a much better job setting up defensive positions in the here and now, and certainly did a much better job at seizing Ukraine in 2014. But, whatever. It seems to me to be solid evidence Russia does not expect or even want total victory.

I think the issues from Russia's initial invasion come from a combination of:

1. Expecting the Ukrainian army to just roll over like they did in Crimea 2014, and so the conflict would be ended very quickly by dictating terms to Kiev that would be favorable to Russia.

2. Trying to replicate the U.S.'s 2003 "Blitz to Baghdad" which, again, came with the assumption that the Ukrainian army would just roll over and that they could very quickly dictate the terms of peace to Kiev - and also assuming that they wouldn't inevitably wind up with the same problems that the US did in 2003. (You know the glowies were chomping at the bit at the prospect of creating an Iraq-style insurgency to use against the Russians in Ukraine).

Ultimately, I think Putin's goal aside from securing the Russian-speaking majority territories of Ukraine is to
1. Ensure Ukrainian military neutrality, and Ukrainian economic and political neutrality that is nonetheless favorable to Russia
2. Destroy the Cult of Bandera in Ukraine to ensure that what's left of Ukraine will not act as a hostile nation against Russia or Russian-speaking people anytime in the future. They seek to accomplish this by degrading, defeating, and humiliating the Urkainian armed forces in the field, while continuing targeted strikes against Western Ukraine's infrastructure and targeting military leaders associated with the Ukrainian far-right.

With D.C., London, and Brussels going all-in on "SLAVA UKRAINA!!!" and sending huge sums of money and material to Kiev, I believe a third goal has emerged
3. Draw in as much of the West's military and economic resources into the Ukrainian meatgrinder to the point that it starts to degrade those nations' own military capabilities and economic stability, while simultaneously going on a diplomatic offensive with the Chinese to court the global south against the current global political-economic regime, which more than a few of these countries have a bone to pick with. They'll point to the West's weaponization of trade and commerce against Russia, the Western countries' own hypocrisy with regards to military intervention, and the appearance of weakness stemming from the failure of the West's Ukrainian clients to make any kind of military headway with all the aid they've received, all to draw more and more countries and emerging economies onto the Russia-China side of things.

So yes, you're correct. Ultimately, Putin's goal isn't a total victory, but a true victory.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Yo how is the offensive going? I reached to prigozin giving congratulations to ruskie troops about something and this past week stuff turned too technical for my brain. Is russia losing? Or is it Ukraine just firing everything they got ? I am so confused explain to me like i am retarded

Ukraine getting rekt

Spoiler: Mein Führer, I...

Fighters from the O group took revenge on a Kosher Nazi brigade, the 25th Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine; their losses amounted to 400.

Kosher denazification in the video after (00:30) of the video. Reminder the AFU executed Russian prisoners of war on the Oskol river line in October last year. Link

Russian medics saved the life of an Ukrainian army commander. He is one of 3 people left alive of their 120 men unit on the Zaporozhye frontline. Link

Literally 1945 again but with NATO

 

[Duke Nukem]

Don't be retarded, there is literally a 100% chance of you being van'd and black bagged if you try to send money to the Russian Military.

The United States still sends billions of dollars to Russia for its nuclear fuel and shit like that, and I don't see a single politician in jail for it.

Granted they're still on contracts for 2026+ but RU/CN/US still engage in some degree of trade, mostly raw materials from Russia, finished goods from China, and woketard tears from US.

Funny thing about these sanctions, it hurts western people living in Russia more than Russians themselves. People like my father can't use their credit cards anymore, they have to go to ridiculous lengths to get back to their relatives (granted so do Russians with relatives living in the West), everything surrounding their stay in Russia has become a bit more uncertain because you never know how your homecountry will sperg out.

Oh I know! Concentra-, er, I mean, "internment" camps for anything that has a backwards R in it.

Spoiler: Evil Russian Commie Spies Here

On a more serious note, anyone who is stupid enough to believe that Russia is still a communist country deserves to be sterilized.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Do you guys think that this war will end with one side's total victory or will it just drag on for years until everyone just kind of accepts that there is ocasional fighting and bombing.

Ukraine has presidential elections in 2024.

The Russians are likely playing the long game and will grind the AFU into dust and then help set the stage for getting someone into power that will make peace with Russia on terms NATO will not be happy with.

Zelensky will likely become a scapegoat and ran out of town

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Ukraine has presidential elections in 2024.

The Russians are likely playing the long game and will grind the AFU into dust and then help set the stage for getting someone into power that will make peace with Russia on terms NATO will not be happy with.

Zelensky will likely become a scapegoat and ran out of town

He will just cancel them like he cancelled all opposition parties citing martial law. At this point, a military coup is much more likely: he has already banned several of his generals from participating in politics and reshuffled his general staff, which made some people think this is the reason why Ukraine's initial success in the first year turned into the mess we are seeing right now.

 

[Duke Nukem]

He will just cancel them like he cancelled all opposition parties citing martial law. At this point, a military coup is much more likely: he has already banned several of his generals from participating in politics and reshuffled his general staff, which made some people think this is the reason why Ukraine's initial success in the first year turned into the mess we are seeing right now.

When I keep saying that politicians are the truest scum of the earth around (and maybe of some other planets as well), I feel vindicated when I see buffoonery of this type.

Ironic that Joseph Stalin made a similar mistake with his own military, and he sure as shit paid for it in the long run.