reddit General

[PointOfNoReturnPoint]

Perhaps I am and perhaps it's not true. But I suppose it wouldnt be entirely accurate to believe the reddit stereotype is universally accurate either.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to point out that in subs like /talesfromretail
1. a lot of the stories sound fake, with mustache-twirling villian customers and such
2. even if they werent, (1 in 10? 20? 50? customers) x (a whole bunch of customers per day per redditor) x (a lot of redditors) = a lot of stories per day, and because we see a lot of these stories, we might assume it's bad. Imagine if I got a hundred people to send you a picture of every green car they saw. You might assume green cars are quite common, but that's because we're excluding every other colour. On the other hand, if we logged every car, you'd see green cars are decisively a minority. Similarly, IF such subs literally logged every customer ever, I think the majority of posts would go like "Today a middle-aged white man walked in. Ordered a hamburger, fries and a diet coke. Paid in cash without incident."

You also gotta factor in that, this is the whole point of the subreddit. it's not going to be the time you get a customer who makes a good wisecrack or has a funny conversation about their day. You are not there for that, thats all you're gonna see but the reddit mind is too rotted to understand that.

 

[Colon capital V]

So what exactly is going on with r/196 rn? I heard they're pretty much shutting down and splintered off into their own forum or another subreddit now because of tranny grooming accusations or something.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Perhaps I am and perhaps it's not true. But I suppose it wouldnt be entirely accurate to believe the reddit stereotype is universally accurate either.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to point out that in subs like /talesfromretail
1. a lot of the stories sound fake, with mustache-twirling villian customers and such
2. even if they werent, (1 in 10? 20? 50? customers) x (a whole bunch of customers per day per redditor) x (a lot of redditors) = a lot of stories per day, and because we see a lot of these stories, we might assume it's bad. Imagine if I got a hundred people to send you a picture of every green car they saw. You might assume green cars are quite common, but that's because we're excluding every other colour. On the other hand, if we logged every car, you'd see green cars are decisively a minority. Similarly, IF such subs literally logged every customer ever, I think the majority of posts would go like "Today a middle-aged white man walked in. Ordered a hamburger, fries and a diet coke. Paid in cash without incident."

you have to remember that the average redditor is a bugman living in a super dense city filled with niggers, and they are trying to find ways to complain about the niggers without being banned for being racist (or being a nigger)

 

[Flaming Insignias]

So what exactly is going on with r/196 rn? I heard they're pretty much shutting down and splintered off into their own forum or another subreddit now because of tranny grooming accusations or something.

Last I heard they were metastasizing into tumblr, doing their best to force a "rapefugees welcome" situation, though some decided to stay behind and build yet another tranny "meme" sub.

 

[Still Exceptional]

Imagine if I got a hundred people to send you a picture of every green car they saw. You might assume green cars are quite common, but that's because we're excluding every other colour. On the other hand, if we logged every car, you'd see green cars are decisively a minority.

OFF TOPIC CAR COLOR AUTISM!
I've observed that the most common car colors today are black, white, and gray. In second are red and blue, distant third is yellow, then basically every other color are more or less tied for dead last and thus rare as fuck.

you have to remember that the average redditor is a bugman living in a super dense city filled with niggers, and they are trying to find ways to complain about the niggers without being banned for being racist (or being a nigger)

Funny enough I've even seen fucking leftists in leftist infested subs starting to name the nigger problem. Oh, they'll always couch it in leftist jargon thought, but I've seen it.
Goes a little like this (Bolded statements left unspoken)

"Look, I'm as progressive as the next guy but it's hard to deny that the black community is facing some serious problems (include caveat alleviating niggers of accountability here ---> ) because of socioeconomic factors and generational trauma. (Remember to reinforce leftist thought and utilize leftist logic to make your case more palatable to these idiots ---> ) As much as racists use it as a dog whistle we have to acknowledge that these problems exist because the truth is that us ignoring or denying these problems is actually what the racists want, they want to use these very real issues to spew hate at people of color while hoping nothing ever changes because then people of color will continue to suffer the same outcomes they always have. What is needed is more community outreach (they mean police to come arrest niggers, even if they'll decry the police in the very next breath) and long term solutions (they mean niggers in prison, but again they won't say it) to fix this situation."

 

[AssignedEva]

The Modcoord jannies are finally acknowledging the blackout isn't working because the admins can just demod them, so are now brainstorming "soft protest" ideas;

They are at least acknowledging now that the protest is about bot developers, third party app users and the blind because reddit made concessions to allow all the moderator bots to continue running (and they did allow blind users API access for non-commercial accessibility apps, but apparently this does still stymie blind moderators from using mod functions).

Greetings all,

We've started the protest this Monday, in solidarity with numerous people who need access to the API, including bot developers, people with accessibility needs (r/blind) and 3rd party app users (Apollo, Sync, and many more). r/humor in particular has made a great post regarding protesting in support of the blind people.

Despite numerous past policies and statements, in support of the mods' right to protest, we have witnessed many attempts this weeks to force subreddits to open (examples: 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7).

In light of this, we recommend to all those supporting this cause that you take the following steps:

• review other softer forms of protest (some of them mentioned here);
• take appropriate measures to consult with your community;
• decide on a course of action, that complies with the ever more draconian admin policies, but still helps send the message that reddit needs to do better on the list of our community demands.

Here is a short list of actions that many subs are already engaging in:

• private days (example - Solidarity Tuesdays, or on the weekends);
• restricting the topic of the forum (example: restricting to just pictures or gifs of one personality );
• narrowing the topic of your forum (see the example of r/Wellthatsucks;
• widening the topic of your forum (see the example of r/interestingasfuck);
• redefining the topic of the forum (see r/nofans, previously a NSFW sub, switching to "lovely passive PC coolers"); r/iphone is posting only pics of Tim Cook “looking dashing”.; r/tall forced to reopen under threat of being removed as mods, users are posting John Longiver pics; r/horny is now a "christian minecraft server";
• marking the subreddit temporarily NSFW or switching to allowing NSFW content. Changing this setting should not be taken lightly (it would be against the TOS); however, if content in your sub happens to also include "nudity, pornography, or profanity", please take appropriate steps to warn users, including temporarily marking your community as NSFW. This has the undesirable effect of reducing your community's reach and visibility but, per the Moderator Code of Conduct, it is our duty as moderators to ensure the safety of those viewing our content and provide appropriate warning to anyone who may incidentally view any mature content (see the example of r/Toyota)
• r/shitposting is banning posts with the letter k;
• inform reddit advertisers of the current issues;
• r/scams forced to reopen but are changing their policies to deliberately mod more aggressively and slowly
• modifying image posts requirements (r/theyknew forced to reopen but only if the first image in every post is a protest image);
• prepare moving the forum to another platform:
  • https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list
  • https://join-lemmy.org/
  • https://squabbles.io/
  • https://tildes.net/;
• promote reddit alternatives in the sidebar;
• content as usual in an open sub, but the title includes protest language;
• remove all sub rules and let the community curate content through up-/downvotes;
• open sub and pin anti-staff message (list of unfulfilled promises, terrible decisions), and add to sidebar;
• automod sticky on every thread promoting Reddit alternatives;
• have automod make scheduled posts about the protest;
• increase the age and karma posting requirements through automod;
• turn off discovery settings, and popping up on r/all.

As usual:

• do not allow or promote harassment of people or communities;
• do not allow illegal content, or content that breaks TOS.

We have to work within the limits imposed by reddit, but there is still plenty of ways to get the message to reddit and mass media about the important issues of the protest, that will affect the quality of content on reddit, how people with disabilities can access the site and how mods can fulfill their duties.

Please post below forms of protest in which you engage, or other suggestions.

The only ones that I think will work longer term - as in won't require redditors to keep finding John Oliver spam funny for months or will obviously get shut down by the admins or won't achieve anything (like pinning a seething post) - are:

"Widening the topic of the forum" - /r/interestingasfuck has removed their content restrictions:

No screenshots, unneeded sound on gifs/videos, memes, funny things, edgyness, cuteness, porn, click bait, etc., no AI-generated images, illusions, most arts/crafts, conceptual things that are not actuality, architecture, low-effort links to wikipedia articles. No content that's only interesting to you. No content that just belongs on /r/historyporn, /r/mildlyinteresting or other subs - must still be mind-blowingly interesting. No pics of just a person. This isn't the place for pop culture news/events nor is it a glorified image version of /r/TodayILearned. No "talking head" videos. This is not a tiktok/social media rehosting site. Describe the content of the post/why it's interesting (it can be a bit humorous too). Avoid just copying titles blindly when reposting from other subs. "This <thing>" is not an adequate title. Posts solely consisting of an interesting title, with just a boring picture is not allowed. No clickbait titles, follow-up titles. Titles should be descriptive enough to be searchable (search for reposts)

and now will just let users post anything they consider interesting, which longer term will make the subreddit crap (well, crappier).

"Increase age and karma posting requirements" - this would effectively stonewall some subreddits from new users and is already permitted, although the admins would probably intervene if they set it ludicrously high. Done effectively it could dry up some subreddits.

"Mod more aggressively and slowly" - this is the "work to rule" suggestion mooted earlier in the thread and /r/scams has now come up with their own approach;

Due to the now-shortage of moderators, posts will be HEAVILY moderated, ANY form of misbehavior will be dealt with immediately and without appeal, and due to the shortage of good moderators, it may take posts up to fourteen (14) days to show up on the subreddit. Additionally, this means that moderators will not have time to respond to moderator messages, and as a result, you may notice that private messages/moderator messages simply go unanswered

They might be being slightly too heavy handed but essentially phoning in their moderator duties and making posts approval only is technically within the rules - because they're not employees so aren't likely to get actually fired just for being shit (as long as they keep the sub abiding by the sitewide rules), unlike the suggestion to basically stop moderating and let the community curate itself.

Encouraging users to use profanity in post titles, because then the subreddit can be set NSFW without breaking the site rules on mislabeling subs as NSFW. NSFW subs will be inaccessible through API and also do not generate advertising revenue.

'course, when I say these things will work, what I mean is that they'll probably be allowed to do these things and they'll be able to continue doing this long term. It won't cause any row back on the API changes and (besides the profanity one) will permanently degrade the quality of the subreddits (which is a weird choice for people who are supposedly protesting because they love their communities so much...)

On another post, the jannies are apparently stroking out indulging in "random access humour" in an attempt to poison the well for AI training data.

The dumbest thing they're doing is to try and encourage advertisers to stop advertising with reddit:

This letter is from us, the volunteer moderators of Reddit, to you: advertisers. We are writing to highlight the issues we're facing with Reddit's recent conduct. The ongoing blackouts and lack of accessibility are causing major disruptions, and we urge you to reconsider your collaboration with the platform.

1. We, the volunteer moderators on Reddit, are expressing deep concerns regarding recent actions taken by the platform, specifically related to changes in API policies and the lack of accessibility options.
2. Our ongoing blackouts are a collective response aimed at highlighting our dissatisfaction and demanding fair treatment, inclusion in decision-making processes, and the provision of accessible tools.
3. The impact of these blackouts is significant, with a noticeable decline in activity across Reddit, resulting in reduced reach for various subreddits and the unavailability of billions of comments.
4. We find Reddit's inconsistent messaging, threats to remove moderators, and failure to prioritize accessibility deeply troubling, as they have eroded user trust and created an unstable platform environment.
5. As volunteer moderators, we strongly encourage advertisers to reassess their collaboration with Reddit and explore alternative platforms that better align with their brand values and objectives, taking into account the concerns we have raised.

To learn more, find our full letter below. Please do reach out if you have any questions or wish to discuss these issues further.

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This is a letter on behalf of thousands of concerned volunteer moderators for Reddit. Collectively, we oversee content posted by millions of people, some of which your advertisements will have been attached to. We’d like to bring your attention to the potential implications for advertisers like yourself of Reddit’s recent conduct. As a Reddit advertiser, we imagine you’ve heard about the ongoing “blackout” protest, and we’d like to take this opportunity to inform you about our concerns—as they may be of concern to you as well.

As has been reported by news organizations such as the Associated Press, Washington Post, Forbes, and several others, the protest started over concerns about the changes to Reddit’s API policies. Such changes will lead to the discontinuation of third-party infrastructure vital to the user experience of the site. While there are many side effects of this decision—which we’d be happy to talk more about—we are most concerned about the third-party applications that were used to help people with disabilities access the website.

Reddit is not accessible in its current state. Many users—such as those who are blind, have limited mobility, or are non-neurotypical—require customizable interfaces and tools to be able to fully utilize Reddit. The company has been aware of these accessibility issues for many years and has refused to properly address them.

You may have heard about Reddit’s exemption for non-commercial accessibility-focused apps. These apps are not available to everyone and may not meet the needs of every user. Additionally, they do not contain enough moderator tools to allow moderators to properly run their subreddits. This drastically increases the possibility of non-advertiser-friendly material being hosted on the site when moderators lose access to their current tools and will force some users away from Reddit altogether. With a company as public-focused as Reddit, accessibility should be a priority. Content is user-submitted and voluntarily moderated. It should not take public outcry and negative media attention for Reddit to consider developing first-party accessibility options.

Reddit, having long deprived moderators of first-party access to essential moderation tools, has now threatened to remove moderators from subreddits continuing the blackouts. Despite stating that the company does, in fact, “respect the community’s right to protest,” Reddit has done an apparent U-turn by stating that “if a moderator team unanimously decides to stop moderating, [Reddit administrators] will invite new, active moderators to keep these spaces open and accessible to users”. Reddit CEO Steve Huffman has gone so far as to suggest rule changes that would allow moderators to be voted out. This is in stark contrast to Reddit’s previous statements that they won’t force protesting communities to reopen and that moderators are “free to run their communities as they choose.”

This inconsistent messaging from Reddit is frustrating. Volunteer moderators are the lifeblood of Reddit's communities. We keep user-generated clean, safe, and accessible, which I’m sure is a top priority for advertisers like yourself. Reddit employees do not keep Reddit advertiser-friendly; moderators do. However, we cannot continue to do so without these tools and a bare minimum level of cooperation from Reddit. Our dedication shapes the platform's success. It is crucial for Reddit to listen to our concerns and work with us to maintain the vibrant communities that make Reddit what it is. Until our voices are heard, and our demands met, we will continue our blackouts — without fear of any threat.

The blackouts are having a major effect on Reddit. I’ve attached two images detailing this clearly. The first image, with a file name of r_all_blackout, shows a plot of comments and submissions on r/all from the previous 7 days in a solid line and the seven days before that in a dashed line. During the blackout, the number of subreddits reaching r/all dropped by 2.2%; however, the overall submissions and comments dropped by 20%. The second image is an infographic, with the file name blackout_summary, which shows that during the blackout, an estimated 7.4 billion comments from 77 million authors were unavailable.

It’s been published that Reddit is allowing advertisers who bought space on subreddits participating in the blackout to now advertise on the front page. With so many of the major subreddits participating in the blackout, users do not stay on the front page and engage with content in the normal way. While traffic to the front page may be increased, users are being served broken links and protest content rather than the unique content they expect. At the peak of the protest, over 8,000 subreddits (including r/funny, r/gaming, r/music, and r/science each of which boast more than 30 million subscribers) were in blackout; new statements from the company make it increasingly likely that further protest will happen in various forms.

Blackouts will continue until third-party app developers are charged fair prices for accessing Reddit’s API, volunteer moderators and users are given a voice in these key decisions, and there exists a workable, viable, accessible path to access API tools.

Ultimately, these decisions along with recent threats by Reddit have eroded user trust, shown significant platform instability, and established that accessibility is not a priority. Continuing to work with Reddit may imply support or endorsement of practices that conflict with your brand identity. We strongly encourage you to reconsider your collaboration and, if appropriate, explore alternative platforms that more closely align with your brand's values and objectives.

Please do reach out if you have any questions or wish to discuss these issues further.

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https://media.discordapp.net/attach...6766/r_all_blackout.png?width=1440&height=538

https://media.discordapp.net/attach...918/blackout_summary.png?width=543&height=550

If you happen to feel strongly about this event, advertisers are able to be contacted through publicly available emails or publicly available social media, but we are not advocating to harass or bombard them with an overwhelming number of messages.

https://clutch.co/agencies/social-media-marketing/reddit?page=7

It basically boils down to "if you keep advertising on reddit, a few terminally online users will assume you support the API changes!" which I don't think any company is going to care about unless it's maybe Funko Pops (but the comments did reveal people suggesting boycotting reddit advertisers only to have other people point out that nobody is going to boycott anything over reddit).
There were some comments on other posts suggesting mass-email campaigns using dummy email accounts to make it look like more people care about this as well, which about sums up these protests.

 

[Smar Mijou]

Twisted stance on democracy" is apparently when you let people vote. This could be a good commentary on the current democratic affairs if this wasn't so obviously not the intended message.

That aside, CEO's are voted in.


I love how they admit that their believes only hold weight as long as they can maintain the illusion of mass-consensus.
They realize the CEO can't force them to work? They can always resign.

"Democracy" only holds sway with these people if it follows the hivemind group think. Remember, these are the same type of people who were seething and raging, "#notmypresident" and threatening to move to Canada when Trump was elected, followed by 4 years of non-stop mass media assisted belittling and criticism of anyone perceived as right wing or a Trump supporter. Yet the minute Biden was installed, they all started preaching about "coming together " and "healing our nation's divide " as if they weren't the ones sewing the seeds of discontent all along.

The utter pointlessness of the short lived "protest" shows that their intended movement , much like their jannies, lacked the balls to get anything of substance accomplished. All it did is show the mods for what they are, just spineless and weak basement-dwellers who get off on their little bit of "power" with nothing to look forward to in life. The little troon manifestos that they keep posting up when they reopen are hilarious as well, with the amount of seething that they're barely managing to cover up. They would all be better served by getting off their couches, getting a shower, eating some real, healthy food, and actually going outside and experiencing reality.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

>Admins used admin powers to open subreddits
>bright_idea.png
>Close subreddits on tuesdays/change the purpose of subreddits/spam
>Admins use admin powers to replace you with someone who doesn't do that
>shocked_pikachu_face.webp

Literally what do they think will happen?

"Mod more aggressively and slowly" - this is the "work to rule" suggestion mooted earlier in the thread and /r/scams has now come up with their own approach;

So, literally the exact same thing as before?

On another post, the jannies are apparently stroking out indulging in "random access humour" in an attempt to poison the well for AI training data.

Interesting how literally every action they do is to make their fav subs unusable.

It basically boils down to "if you keep advertising on reddit, a few terminally online users will assume you support the API changes!" which I don't think any company is going to care about unless it's maybe Funko Pops (but the comments did reveal people suggesting boycotting reddit advertisers only to have other people point out that nobody is going to boycott anything over reddit).

Friendly reminder that after CNN committed an interstate federal crime because they were mad at a gif making fun of them, the advertisers stayed. Somehow I don't think they really care

 

[Lady Rackets Ass]

At least this is slightly less cringe than posting that faggot brit. Maybe.

 

[GenociderSyo]

and they did allow blind users API access for non-commercial accessibility apps, but apparently this does still stymie blind moderators from using mod functions

Most moderation tools in many sites such as reddit, google, groups.io, etc. are not truly accessible so this may not be so much blocked but just not accessible.

 

[WelperHelper99]

you have to remember that the average redditor is a bugman living in a super dense city filled with niggers, and they are trying to find ways to complain about the niggers without being banned for being racist (or being a nigger)

r/fuckcars is in the heart of almost every redditor, even if they don't know it or own a car, they subconsciously live it. Usually their cars are small shit beaters that'll probably shatter in the event of a car crash, or they're Nissan Leafs, when they have cars in the first place, because of their low knowledge of cars.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Lawyers?

 

[AnOminous]

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Lawyers?

Why would anyone need a lawyer to know that if you're volunteering to do free work and with no contract, nobody owes you shit?

 

[Betonhaus]

Why would anyone need a lawyer to know that if you're volunteering to do free work and with no contract, nobody owes you shit?

Because a lawyer can spell it out in terms a baby can understand and cite the actual laws relevant to the discussion

 

[grapeshark77]

The r/Piracy sub did a brigaded poll and are now only allowing pirate photos of John Oliver, or whatever. It's even more cringey than the other ones. The r/melbourne Australia sub is only allowing posts about Melbourne, Florida - which is at least an actual joke?

Both of these are dumb for different reasons - Piracy isn't ad-friendly so just doubling down would probably be more effective. And any local sub is too small to do anything but annoy users. Ironically the soft protest where they don't mod as much would improve the site.

Spez is a moron and the mods managed to lose the PR battle to him. I think the "landed gentry" line struck a nerve, and he knew it would set them off and make them emotional.

 

[Betonhaus]

Rule #1 of a protest is: if you're continuing to regularly inconvenience people that already support you, you're going to lose that support.

 

[sum ting wong]

Every single one of these people that talks about "unpaid labor" and unionizing, or anything of the sort, deserves to be sent to the gulag.

 

[Catloaf]

Lawyers?

No contract, no documentation. Literally volunteered to be janny and now you think that law is in your side and would consider you a worker? lol, lmao even.
>Mass revenge firings
and these people claim that they are intellectuals.

 

[DavidS877]

"Widening the topic of the forum" - /r/interestingasfuck has removed their content restrictions:
and now will just let users post anything they consider interesting, which longer term will make the subreddit crap (well, crappier).

I just checked in. As expected it's all porn now.

 

[Mikoyan]

I don't know why they don't go scorched earth on the 'unmoderated' subs and take them back. Make up that someone posted CP and you 'were forced to'. Nobody will be able to verify.

Ironically this is showing off why they loved powermods so much. Sure most of them are retards but you know what they're going to do so it's easy to turn a community over to them. Or it was until now.