Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

4. This is to sow confusion to prevent a false flag on the power plant
Out of your four options, I'm thinking this is the most likely one unless Prigozhin has really lost his mind. There was an attempt at a false flag with the blown up pipeline that failed. However, after reading history concerning the military industrial complex in the US, there will 100% be a false flag if Uncle Sam is going to get directly involved in a shooting war with Russia (USS Maine, Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin, WMDs to name a few prominent examples).

The counteroffensive failed spectacularly, so doing a false flag attack on a nuclear reactor and blaming it on Russia may be the last card in their back pocket. I mean just recently, uniparty rats in DC introduced a Senate resolution to invoke Article V if a nuclear reactor is attacked by the Russians.
 
Until I see corpses, I don't believe shit, but fucking shit is getting real.
its russia, drunken brawls sometimes end with dead bodies on the streets, we need bodys around army bases.


Russian DOJ has apparently added Prigozhin to the Official List of Foreign Agents.
Well i dont think Shizos have a country they work for.

Some people are saying that it's Prigozhin is actually mad at Russian Military Command and is going there to fuck them up for jerking them around. I assume it's because everybody has been heaping praise on Vagner and not Russian Ground Forces
He has been very mad at them for some time, but its very unlikely that anybody would follow that shizo on a march,

Shooting some army officers in the back in a opportune moment, well thats just what russians do.
 
Wagner doesn't have large enough of a force to actually run a coup, just made a side show before a negotiated cease fire. Russia has always had a problem ruling through cult of personality and this is the side effects of two individuals butting heads. Russia is really organized in byzantine fashion with random autonomous regions and internal Republics here and there, its a wonder the fucking country works at all. Given that Russia seems rather over extended with the war I have serious doubts that they can handle a 10-20k strong force ripping up major supply lines leading into the Donestk front without it collapsing. IF this is a real shooting affair then Prigozhin has a pretty strong hand at this round of poker, the central government has to take him seriously. Putin himself probably wont be shunted off but serious consideration will have to be taken regarding the MoD by the civilian government, Shoigu himself is effectively a mob style boss and he isn't just there for looks, he is another personality that has to be entertained even if he is largely incompetent when push comes to shove.
They couldn't handle a 10k-20k strong, well-equipped, experienced mercenary team wreaking havoc over their supply lines. They'd have no choice but to negotiate. But someone's fucking dead after this, and ironically, Putin can't really afford it to be Wagner as they've been preforming the best out of his 'team'.

Out of your four options, I'm thinking this is the most likely one unless Prigozhin has really lost his mind. There was an attempt at a false flag with the blown up pipeline that failed. However, after reading history concerning the military industrial complex in the US, there will 100% be a false flag if Uncle Sam is going to get directly involved in a shooting war with Russia (USS Maine, Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin, WMDs to name a few prominent examples).

The counteroffensive failed spectacularly, so doing a false flag attack on a nuclear reactor and blaming it on Russia may be the last card in their back pocket. I mean just recently, uniparty rats in DC introduced a Senate resolution to invoke Article V if a nuclear reactor is attacked by the Russians.
I mean, I don't know. The whole situation is batshit. Its the worst possible timing if actually a coup, but who really knows? Its like the old Russian joke. "In Russia, Russia false flags you! You don't false flag Russia."
 
Russian DOJ has apparently added Prigozhin to the Official List of Foreign Agents.

If that is the case it sounds like he might have gotten a better offer than what Putin was offering.

Which is stupid, because this isn't the 17th century anymore and mercenary companies are not actually that independent anymore at all and he really should know better than fall for some (((gold))) offerings. Even if the USA did offer to pay does he really expect the USA of all countries to honor their allies?

This sure as fuck better not be genuine. Im not sure I can live with total globo victory.

I seriously doubt this is a attempt to actually win by the globohomo. There is no way they could have this dude was a puppet, he is too unstable to do the job and would simply be making things worse. Then again the Deep State has shown a criminal lack of common sense...

They couldn't handle a 10k-20k strong, well-equipped, experienced mercenary team wreaking havoc over their supply lines. They'd have no choice but to negotiate. But someone's fucking dead after this, and ironically, Putin can't really afford it to be Wagner as they've been preforming the best out of his 'team'.

This is true, they can't take over but they can make such a large amount of chaos that putting Wagner down is far too costly and time consuming.

If I had to guess, Putin is gonna solve this with a Night of Long Knifes way and deal with Wagner in a similar way that Hitler dealt with the S.A. by folding them into the actual army but removing the likes of Prigozhin who are messing up the command structure.
 
This sure as fuck better not be genuine. Im not sure I can live with total globo victory.
That's one of the fears I've had throughout the war. I don't see Russia and China as "LE BASED SAVIORS OF THE WEST", but moreso a roadblock for total globohomo control over the entire fucking planet. If Russia gets broken up and turned into another puppet state, then China will effectively be encircled and powerless.

If the amerimutts wants to turn the entire world into a giant epstein island, there will be no power left to stop them. We're talking 10,000 years of darkness levels of "it's over".

I seriously doubt this is a attempt to actually win by the globohomo. There is no way they could have this dude was a puppet, he is too unstable to do the job and would simply be making things worse. Then again the Deep State has shown a criminal lack of common sense...

He doesn't have to be an agent. He could simply be a goon that was offered a vast sum of money to flip.
 
My guess is that he wanted to pull off a Napoleon and have the military defect to him, but he greatly overestimated his appeal.

He would have probably talked to normal military commanders before hand, had their agreement to join him, and then when he actually did cross the Rubicon, they double crossed him or fucked off.

Its why Wagner was initially doing basically nothing for hours after declaring a coup, probably unsure of who would actually join him and who wouldnt, and why hes taken to yelling on social media and only now started attacking a much more unified military.

Crossing the rubicon, you can't undo that, so even if his chances of pulling off a successful coup are low, he still has to carry on at this point.

I dont think its more complex than that, honestly
 
That's one of the fears I've had throughout the war. I don't see Russia and China as "LE BASED SAVIORS OF THE WEST", but moreso a roadblock for total globohomo control over the entire fucking planet. If Russia gets broken up and turned into another puppet state, then China will effectively be encircled and powerless.

If the amerimutts wants to turn the entire world into a giant epstein island, there will be no power left to stop them. We're talking 10,000 years of darkness levels of "it's over".
Part of my thinking NATO (aka US world police uniparty types) is going to attack the reactor as a false flag is how public support of the war seems to be faltering. They could easily scaremonger people into supporting NATO intervention in case that word "nuclear" keeps getting thrown around after a false flag like this. Like with most things in this war, we just need to wait and see, regardless of how antsy this whole nuclear false flag situation might be making some of us in this thread.

Incidentally, I found this graphic on a Twitter thread talking about the war. Seems accurate, especially since people in Burgerstan STILL haven't learned from Ike's farewell address:

us war cycle.jpg
 
That's one of the fears I've had throughout the war. I don't see Russia and China as "LE BASED SAVIORS OF THE WEST", but moreso a roadblock for total globohomo control over the entire fucking planet. If Russia gets broken up and turned into another puppet state, then China will effectively be encircled and powerless.

If the amerimutts wants to turn the entire world into a giant epstein island, there will be no power left to stop them. We're talking 10,000 years of darkness levels of "it's over".
Exactly. Im aware of the many flaws of Russia and it's by no means some sort of conservative, wholesome utopia but ( and this speaks to the absolute state of the planet ) they are the only sort-of white major player not engaged in overt niggertranny worship.

I'll take rampant alcoholism over 13 year olds getting government sanctioned double mastectomies.
 
I honestly don't know what's going on. Wagner seems full of extremely competent, ex-special forces people. You had problems with them and the MoD being as theater before, but I'm not sure. This could be Putin's way of obliterating seditious elements in the MoD (have Wagner become the MoD) or its an actual coup to depose Putin.
Part of Wagner is, maybe 10k total. The rest is money hungry thugs and convicts looking for a ticket out of prison.
So there's a couple of things in my opinion.

1. Putin is done with his MoD and has employed Wagner to literally clean house
2. This is a 6D Chess move to cloak Wagner's movements in a supposed 'coup' when it is trying to reposition them without alerting NATO or the West to where they're actually going
3. This is a real coup by elements of the military and Wagner
4. This is to sow confusion to prevent a false flag on the power plant
5. Zelensky paid Wagner a couple of billion to march on Moscow

This is really fucking crazy
It would be fucking hilarious if Zelinksy just called up Wagner and said "hey, who wants to make $10 billion cash, tax free"

I think Wagner has gotten an overinflated sense of importance after being fellated by elements of the Russian government for years. They're useful but now the Russian MoD has begun using convict troops and it's operations overseas are easily replicable with another PMC, a more loyal PMC.
Out of your four options, I'm thinking this is the most likely one unless Prigozhin has really lost his mind. There was an attempt at a false flag with the blown up pipeline that failed. However, after reading history concerning the military industrial complex in the US, there will 100% be a false flag if Uncle Sam is going to get directly involved in a shooting war with Russia (USS Maine, Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin, WMDs to name a few prominent examples).

The counteroffensive failed spectacularly, so doing a false flag attack on a nuclear reactor and blaming it on Russia may be the last card in their back pocket. I mean just recently, uniparty rats in DC introduced a Senate resolution to invoke Article V if a nuclear reactor is attacked by the Russians.
Uss Maine was an internal magazine explosion, Lusitania was torpedoed by a German sub, and the first Gulf of Tonkin was a real attack by NVA torpedoe boats, and the SECOND reported attack was radar echoes of whitecaps. WMDs were mostly bullshit as the Iraqi nuclear program was killed in the early 1980s although the chemical and biological programs weren't terminated until 2003 and were small scale after 1991. However, all four were used as casus belli (to be honest the US was going to war with Spain no matter what and the US was eventually going to enter WW1)

Actual fasle flags include the German invasion of Poland in WW2 with the

Gleiwitz incident​


And the Mukden Incident in Manchuria in 1931 to justify the Japanese Army's invasion of north China.

Others include the diplomatic cable between France and Prussia in 1870 where Otto von Bismarck made up insults to Napoleon the 3rd to get him to declare war and the Soviet shelling of Mainila (a Soviet town) in 1939 to kick off the Winter war with Finland.

These days false flags are pretty hard to fake with everyone having access to an Internet capable video camera on their person.

A real false flag would be a bunch of American SF dressing up as NVA troops then say.... Attacking the American embassy in Saigon and killing everyone inside or USAF jets with Iraqi colors attacking US bases in Kuwait. Of course Iraq flying F-16/18/15s would be quite the surprise. Oh also people talk and are seemingly incapable keeping secrets anymore, especially with social media. See Jack Texteria and the hilarious discord leaks.
 
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These days false flags are pretty hard to fake with everyone having access to an Internet capable video camera on their person.
You underestimate how easy it is to manipulate the masses with cable news. They know how to put all the emotional checks and balances in, whether it be subliminally or overtly.
 
I mean just recently, uniparty rats in DC introduced a Senate resolution to invoke Article V if a nuclear reactor is attacked by the Russians.
I think the fact that this is obviously a known thing, the fact that Zelensky made that post yesterday, and the timing of this right now line up for it to be a ruse. The fact that people are doubting whether it's real or not in this thread speaks, I think, to its effectiveness if it is indeed just a psyop.

If it's not I can only assume Prizoghin is a man so fucking retarded that it escapes the english language to describe.
If Russia gets broken up and turned into another puppet state, then China will effectively be encircled and powerless.
I cannot imagine a scenario in which Russia has a no-shit coup due to U.S. fuckery and China doesn't immediately lose it's shit in any way it can to destabilize the U.S.

Because come the fuck on it doesn't take a genius to know that they're next on the chopping block.
 
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