Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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Bog-standard Poster said:
If Russia declare Wagner as a rogue state, while behind the scenes supplying them with info and weapons, similar to CIA and Al-qaeda/isis/name a coup, could Wagner do some really shady shit seems it wouldn't be linked to Russia?

TL;DR - could Wagner become a rogue state like ISIS, take control of parts of Ukraine, 'remove' Russian forces from it and 'end the war'?
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But that's what Russia was doing 2014-2022 in Ukraine, and it didn't work since the Ukrainians slowly grinded their way through LPR/DPR and in February 2022 were preparing for a "final attack." Wagner isn't officially Russian anyway.
MvAgusta said:
Isn’t Shoigu a corrupt official? Doesn’t he own some $18 million dollar mansion in Siberia?
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Are there any Russian officials who aren't corrupt? But Shoigu seems to be re sponsible for a lot of this mess.
 
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Serbian Peacekeepers said:
During 1991 wasn't the Soviet Premier whisked away to a remote vacation home for his "protection", I.E to stop him from interfering with the seizure of power? Something like that could be happening now.
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Gorbachev was already at his dacha in the Crimea when the coup started happening and his security detail suddenly became his jailers. The Soviet coup was an absolute fucking shitshow of confusion since half the middle rank commanders were countermanding orders as fast as the brass gave them so grunts on the ground were confused as hell as to whom was actually running a coup. Surovikin was brought up on murder charges for his actions during this time period because he was put in charge of a tunnel and shot some civilians trying to force their way through, later dropped because the Russian government didn't want to piss the army off for their actions in an extremely confusing time period.
 
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Sputnik is calling this a coup attempt. Putin is supposed to be making a speech any moment now.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russian President Vladimir Putin will deliver an address shortly. On June 23, Russian Federal Security Service opened a criminal case for inciting armed mutiny over statements made on behalf of the head of the Wagner Group private military company Yevgeny Prigozhin .The Russian Defense Ministry said that social media reports about alleged Russian military strikes on camps belonging to PMC Wagner were not true. Russian Prosecutor General Igor Krasnov has made a report to Russian President Vladimir Putin concerning the criminal case opened for inciting armed mutiny over statements made on behalf of Yevgeny Prigozhin.
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Yeah, is this a coup-coup or a 'i don't like the MOD and they want to kill me so i'm going to kill them first' coup.
 
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Well this was an unfortunate turn of events. I don't see something of this complexity turning out to be a false flag. Think Wagner might try firing off some nukes?

I'm sure the Ukraine thread was probably discussing increasing animosity between Wagner and the military, but i wasn't paying close attention to that thread.
 
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Betonhaus said:
Well this was an unfortunate turn of events. I don't see something of this complexity turning out to be a false flag. Think Wagner might try firing off some nukes?

I'm sure the Ukraine thread was probably discussing increasing animosity between Wagner and the military, but i wasn't paying close attention to that thread.
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Wagner 100% had some enemies in the MOD, but that was always going to happen with the nature of them. Proghozin trolling was a bit of theater a bit of reality mixed in. But something must have happened (I don't believe that Russia would have shelled them) that made this happen. With them controlling the supply routes, it gets fucking real.

If they do, I hope one lands on my fucking head.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
Wagner 100% had some enemies in the MOD, but that was always going to happen with the nature of them. Proghozin trolling was a bit of theater a bit of reality mixed in. But something must have happened (I don't believe that Russia would have shelled them) that made this happen. With them controlling the supply routes, it gets fucking real.

If they do, I hope one lands on my fucking head.
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Ukraine's offensive exposed as a pathetic gay op. No good options left for NATO except direct intervention and that's not an option. Mercenary commander all of a sudden decides to block the supply lines to the front because he's a 'patriot' who wants to root out corruption. Not all that hard to work out what's going on. Putin needs to drop the hammer on this faggot ASAP.
 
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Null said:
how the fuck can russia deal with this when they have an active open front on the west
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We have enough of military personnel, but the problem is now is that in order to get a hold on wagnerites there's a need to relocate certain amount of them.

I don't know what is happening anymore.
 
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apparently Putin is addressing Russia
there is only 1 channel streaming it on youtube? some indian channel capitalising on it, 16 K live viewers
very strange, seems off, and the translator has maybe the worst fucking accent in the entire universe
she sounds chinese, indian, irish and english at the same time
shes only translating some of it, and she seems like shes extremely bored, i recommend waiting for a better video
i am only mentioning this due to how horrendously bad this is, she has now completely stopped translating
is this fucking fake?
 
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how the fuck can russia deal with this when they have an active open front on the west
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Russia has a pretty large number of internal troops that "could" be used to protect the current status quo but how loyal these troops are is another question. It all depends on whether Putin is involved or not imo.

Seems I spoke too soon, Russian Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo here we go.
 
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Prigozhin has overplayed his hand. Dude must've thought himself some kind of warlord with enough influence to carve himself a larger role and legacy in the Russian military complex.

But I doubt he has the support of even the whole Wagner PMC.

Now that Putin has denounced him I can only see him being replaced by another goon for the cameras and Wagner remaining the force it has been. Maybe being rebranded.

Although I'm not saying his allegations against parts of the Russian MOD and Shoigu in particular aren't justified.
 
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Putin looks pissed
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I would've been pissed too if my homie would've stabbiti-stab me in the back.

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Seems I spoke too soon, Russian Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo here we go.
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DON'T JINX NIGGER.

Fucking hell, I have had hopes this shit will not be stirred there but oh well. Volgograd is neighboring with Rostov so I have legit concern of what will happen next
 
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