Disaster Why So Many Young People Are Cutting Off Their Parents - Hand-rubbing intensifies

Jordan was raised in a Southern Baptist household in North Carolina where she was expected to attend church multiple times a week, accept Jesus Christ as the way to salvation, and honor her mother and father. That last point was right there in the Ten Commandments. So when Jordan made the decision to stop talking to her dad, the choice stood in defiance of the lessons of her upbringing, but it was also because of them. She was tired of being told that women should submit to men, a belief ordained by the religion in which she was raised. She was finished obeying.

Family estrangement flies in the face of what most of us are taught as children: that family is forever and the bonds of blood cannot be replicated. Especially in cultures that value the cohesiveness of the group over more individualistic wants and needs, family is not considered a choice as much as it is a fact. But for families across America right now, that fact is fraying.

If it feels like whispers of estrangement are everywhere lately—in your group chat, at your happy hour, and of course on TikTok—it’s because the data is staggering. Karl Pillemer, a professor at Cornell University and author of Fault Lines: Fractured Families and How to Mend Them, found that in 2020, 27% of Americans over the age of 18 were estranged from a family member. That’s more than a quarter, although the actual proportion could be much higher because many people are still reluctant to discuss such a personal and stigmatized topic. Although there is a lack of long-term research, Pillemer believes estrangement rates are increasing in the United States and other Western countries, especially in white and non-immigrant people under the age of 35. The rise in millennials and Gen Zers coming forward to discuss their own crises—the hashtag #ToxicFamily has 1.9 billion views on TikTok—may suggest that American families are severing ties at an all-time high.

If TikTok is to be believed, attitudes about estrangement fall along generational lines: Boomers accuse millennials and Gen Zers of being too quick to cut contact, while younger generations push back by saying they don’t have to tolerate unacceptable behavior just because someone is related to them by blood. Today, certain young people appear to be far less rigidly beholden to the idea of family obligation above all else, even at the cost of their own happiness.

“The norms that forced families to stick together no matter what have weakened,” Pillemer said, noting that difficult childhood experiences, value and lifestyle differences, and unmet expectations are some of the factors driving estrangement. “There is less of an overwhelmingly normative guideline that you must stick with your family no matter what. There is a sense among younger people today that if the relationship is aversive over a long period of time, they have the ability to get out of it.”

How pervasive family estrangement has become is also evident in pop culture. On her daytime talk show, Drew Barrymore talks about her emancipation from her parents at age 14 and hosts celebrities like Jennette McCurdy, bestselling author of I’m Glad My Mom Died, and Brooke Shields, who opened up about her tumultuous relationship with her mother. But as ubiquitous as the phenomenon can seem, the reality behind each separation is as layered and individual as the families themselves.

When Jordan, 32, decided to leave the church in early adulthood, tension rose between her and her father. Because her parents were married, Jordan says she held back from cutting her dad off despite the fights they had about religion, politics, and her exit from the church. But after one last explosive call, Jordan hung up the phone and had a “moment of clarity.” She realized she was finished, done. Looking back, she says he’s lucky she waited that long. While he called and texted her repeatedly, Jordan didn’t budge. “It’s an extreme privilege to have a great relationship with your adult children,” she says. “I was always hoping [while we weren’t talking] that he would take my silence as a cue to get himself together and to apologize to me.”

The year after their estrangement, Jordan’s dad was hospitalized. She took a red-eye flight to be by her mother’s side and say her goodbyes to her incoherent father, who died after she got there. Now she finds herself grieving a complicated relationship. She thinks she did the right thing, but part of her grief is accepting that she’ll never know if, given more time, he could have ever changed.

Threaded into so many of these stories is the same hope Jordan had: that maybe the nuclear act of estrangement would eventually bring the estranged closer, like cutting hair to try to make it grow longer. That’s how it was for Rose, 21, who says she used to be “Daddy’s princess” before her father’s heroin addiction escalated to the point that Rose felt forced to make a choice. “I hoped that he would say, ‘Oh, my daughter’s no longer talking to me, I should try to fix that so I can talk to her or see her again,’” Rose says. “But sadly, he hasn’t chosen that.” There are so many things about her present life that she wishes she could tell her father: that she graduated high school and dyed her hair, that she got a job working with disabled children and brought a boyfriend home to meet her family. It all happens without her father and still, Rose hopes.

Quincee Gideon, PsyD, a Los Angeles–based psychologist who specializes in trauma therapy, explains that people’s reactions to familial estrangement are mixed and can change over a lifetime. “Some people have a lot of hope that their family can change,” Gideon says. “But by the time folks get to estrangement, they’ve spent years trying to set appropriate boundaries, live with disappointment, accept their family’s flaws, and negotiate in so many different ways that estrangement is a relief.” Such a significant step is best undertaken with the support of a therapist, recommends Gideon. In her own practice, she has clients take small breaks from contact with a family member to gauge the emotional impact. “Was it worth it? Was it relieving? Was it stressful in some way that we didn’t anticipate? Then we go from there.”

The relationship between Holly, 24, and her emotionally withholding and abusive mother was strained for years before she took the final step of estrangement. First, Holly had to make sure logistics were taken care of—she figured out a way to get her birth certificate and Social Security card, which were both stored in her mother’s security deposit box at the bank. Holly ended their relationship with a text message, writing, “I hope you choose a different path in this next part of life, where you choose healing over cruelty and misery. I won’t be there to see it.” Her mother blocked her number without responding. Instead of the grief she’s read about other estranged people feeling, Holly felt something else: a sense of peace.

She knows people may judge her for feeling relieved. A close family member told Holly, “She’s your mother—you should love her,” which Holly finds grating. “We would never tell a woman who’s been abused [by a partner], ‘You should go back to him, to the person who hurt you and will continue to hurt you.’ But we do for people with abusive parents, and it makes me very mad. If I wanted to be miserable and anxious all the time, I’d go back to my mother.”

These stories of family estrangement awaken something almost ancestral in me. I’m Albanian—my parents are both immigrants from Kosovo—and I have never understood family as something to opt in or out of. Being a part of a family is one of the main anchors of my identity—without the knowledge of where I fit as a sister and aunt and cousin, I’m not sure who I would be. In my family, even as relationships are stretched to the point of breaking, it is almost always with the understanding that eventually, they will heal or at least enough time will pass that we can sit at a dinner table together and pretend nothing happened.

Research shows that there are cultural differences at play here. Pillemer, the Cornell professor, notes that the rate of estrangement is highest among white families and lowest among immigrant groups, Latinx families, and Black families. “There is much greater pressure to remain in the relationship among non-white and especially immigrant populations,” he notes. “People may be in extremely conflicted relationships, but they are very unlikely to say, ‘I never want to speak to you again.’” When Pillemer explains this, I can’t help but laugh. I think of the passive-aggressive behavior that lives at the core of some of the dynamics in my family, the unexplored conflict that is swept to the side to make room for a shared morning coffee. Part of me wonders what my family would look like if we entertained the idea that we don’t have to love each other unconditionally. Another bigger part of me is deeply comforted that we will almost certainly always have one other.

But for some, the breaches are simply too profound to overcome. Take Ant, 24, an only child who lives in Florida. The path to Ant’s estrangement from their ultra-conservative parents stretches from an abusive and tumultuous childhood into their understanding of themselves as queer and non-binary. The breaking point came in the summer of 2016, when a mass shooter killed 49 victims at Pulse, an LGBTQ+ nightclub in Orlando. Ant, who had recently been on a date with someone who was supposed to be at Pulse that night, spent the morning after the shooting talking to their date’s sister as they tried to locate them.

Ant’s mother responded to the tragedy by saying the shooting hadn’t happened while Ant’s father used a slur against queer people. “That was the big moment,” Ant recalls. They waited until they turned 18 and graduated high school to make it official, although Ant’s mother still calls them sometimes. “She thinks that she has authority simply for the fact that she’s the mother and I’m the child,” says Ant. “Meanwhile, I can just hang up the phone at any point. I’ve found a chosen family that has allowed me to actually be myself and feel like I can do great things. I do feel very free.

After making the painstaking decision to cut off a family member, young people then face the daunting task of having to continue to justify their choice, compiling years of slights and heartbreaks into a quick explanation they can relay on a third date. Undoubtedly, millennials and Gen Zers have high expectations for their loved ones and place a higher premium on their own peace, even if it comes at the expense of something as steadfast as the family unit. It would be easy to say young people just don’t care about the sanctity of familial bonds, but I don’t think that’s true. How a family comes together and comes apart isn’t rational or easily explained—it is impossibly tangled. When one thread is pulled, the whole thing can unravel. And I don’t believe that anyone pulls it loose so easily.

 
alot of people get stuck by having unrealistic expectations of their parents or other people in general.



this guy killed himself by crashing his A-10 on purpose, its speculated it was over the fact his religious mom didnt approved of his military career.

Instead of just accepting life without his mother's approval and making the best of it, it looks like he let it drive himself nuts till he decided to kill himself.

Dont be like this guy.


Dont expect or need things that u know are unlikely to happen, no matter how much u want it.

If u know its not gunna happen, just accept life without it and move on.

ur better off putting ur time, energy, and brain power into something that produces good results for you.

Living a good life that God would approve of is more important than anything else.

God is the only one u need to make happy.

There is nothing wrong with not being in constant contact with a family member.

However, there is alot wrong with wrecking ur own life with stress and sleepless nights wanting and fruitlessly laboring over something that isnt producing good results.

If something isnt working, change it, do something different, move on.


Same goes with other things, like women who sleep around alot, its unrealistic to marry one and then expect they will suddenly stop doing that.

Or if ur mom is a skitzo druggie, its unrealistic to expect to have a normal supportive relationship, so dont expect it, and spend all ur time and energy trying to make it happen, its not gunna happen, just move on and put ur time and energy into something that will produce good results.

If ur parents are out of touch boomers, its unrealistic to expect them to have the solutions for ur new age problems, sure, some will, but mostly not, if its obvious they cant help u, recognised it, and look else where for the answer.
 
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alot of people get stuck by having unrealistic expectations of their parents or other people in general.



this guy killed himself by crashing his A-10 on purpose, its speculated it was over the fact his religious mom didnt approved of his military career.

Instead of just accepting life without his mother's approval and making the best of it, it looks like he let it drive himself nuts till he decided to kill himself.

Dont be like this guy.


Dont expect or need things that u know are unlikely to happen, no matter how much u want it.

If u know its not gunna happen, just accept life without it and move on.

ur better off putting ur time, energy, and brain power into something that produces good results for you.

Living a good life that God would approve of is more important than anything else.

God is the only one u need to make happy.

There is nothing wrong with not being in constant contact with a family member.

However, there is alot wrong with wrecking ur own life with stress and sleepless nights wanting and fruitlessly laboring over something that isnt producing good results.

If something isnt working, change it, do something different, move on.


Same goes with other things, like women who sleep around alot, its unrealistic to marry one and then expect they will suddenly stop doing that.

Or if ur mom is a skitzo druggie, its unrealistic to expect to have a normal supportive relationship, so dont expect it, and spend all ur time and energy trying to make it happen, its not gunna happen, just move on and put ur time and energy into something that will produce good results.

If ur parents are out of touch boomers, its unrealistic to expect them to have the solutions for ur new age problems, sure, some will, but mostly not, if its obvious they cant help u, recognised it, and look else where for the answer.
The poor jet
 
If you have functioning parents, it's impossible to imagine bad parents. However, people who leave their parents due to politics are scum and deserve to be abandoned when they are old as well.
It's incredible, it's probably the first time in American history since the Civil War that such a thing has happened on a substantial basis. Sure you had the occasionally commies that went off the deep end and the various cult kooks but nothing this pervasively political.
 
Research shows that there are cultural differences at play here. Pillemer, the Cornell professor, notes that the rate of estrangement is highest among white families and lowest among immigrant groups, Latinx families, and Black families..

This makes sense as white families tend to be richer and thus, more capable of seeking a better deal outside of their families. If you're a white College Girl and have a choice between a high status career in Manhattan sipping wine and globe-hopping, and staying in your small hometown and becoming Cletus' wife and mother to his 5 kids, then it makes sense that you'd bail on the family, especially if they have "traditional" views of women's sexual freedom.
 
Pretty fucked up that we're putting "My parents raised me religious" in the same category of people who had abusers, addicts, and/or retards for guardians.

Being mad at your parents for not being perfect is immature. But you don't owe them shit if they did not do anything to deserve it.
Yeah. Keeping a child alive is the bare minimum of being a parent. Having the kid not-die for 18 years doesn't entitle you to having them become your replacement-parent for the rest of their lives.
 
Donald Trump's eldest brother Fred Jr. had a bad relationship with his father, and died an alcoholic at 43.

Phil Knight (founder of nike) had a bad relationship with his eldest son, Mathew, and he died in a diving accident at 34.

Eliot Rodger had a bad relationship with his rich father and he went nuts, murdered people and died at 23.

just the first 3 examples that came to mind, but i think it's worth noting.

edit: wanted to add, its probably even more shitty to have a bad relationship with ur parents when they are super rich. Cus ull be thinking of all the money u wont be getting lol.

but "Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith" Proverbs 15:17
 
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Donald Trump's eldest brother Fred Jr. had a bad relationship with his father, and died an alcoholic at 43.

Phil Knight (founder of nike) had a bad relationship with his eldest son, Mathew, and he died in a diving accident at 34.

Eliot Rodger had a bad relationship with his rich father and he went nuts, murdered people and died at 23.

just the first 3 examples that came to mind, but i think it's worth noting.

Suggest they aren't the majority. Know of someone who had terrible relationships with both parents and also disowned two brothers, and has outlived three of the four.

In my opinion believe one can rise above toxic family relationships and succeed. Am sure it takes a lot of hard work. Am also sure that compartmenting those memories is a must, and sometimes therapy is needed. It isn't that the memories and the anger go away, one just learns how to manage it better without engaging in self-destructive/criminal behavior.
 
Boomers are self-righteous pieces of shit who shit a lot on their kids, and millenials are self-righteous pieces of shit who think they know everything and forced their shit beliefs on their kids.

A lot of this is shitty people estranging themselves from shitty people. Some others have genuine gripes (their boomer parents were drunks, stole from them, abused them, disowned them first, made them homeless, abandoned them the second they turned 18.

But in general, boomers are shitty people who have given us this shitty world, so they're facing the reality that they're hated.
 
Boomers are self-righteous pieces of shit who shit a lot on their kids, and millenials are self-righteous pieces of shit who think they know everything and forced their shit beliefs on their kids.

A lot of this is shitty people estranging themselves from shitty people. Some others have genuine gripes (their boomer parents were drunks, stole from them, abused them, disowned them first, made them homeless, abandoned them the second they turned 18.

But in general, boomers are shitty people who have given us this shitty world, so they're facing the reality that they're hated.
This generalization applies to every generation. These intergenerational conflicts have existed since there were people. Every generation has, or believes they had reasons to hate previous generations.

Suggest we do better criticizing individual people rather than tarring all of any generation with the same brush.
 
Not seeing the author's name but can already tell for sure a jew wrote this.
Worse. She is a shiptar.

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Well this hits a little close to home since I've been estranged from my father for a bit over 11 years now. Some of the reasons people gave for no longer talking to their parents are retarded though. Because they're too conservative? Because they're religious? At least Rose and Holly have valid reasons. All the other shitheads in the article need to grow the fuck up and get over themselves.
 
Her being shia does raise a question is it me or in general i am hearing more stories of people cutting their ties to their parents its something ive been hearing more often in the mid east.
 
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I'm guessing most people here already know this, but the intent behind weakening the family bond is to isolate people. Isolated people are easier to manipulate and control, and therefore easier to use to further a given political agenda. They want people who rat out their family members to The Party or the woke mob, like that little wigger that sold out his grandfather to the J6 committee.

It's up to the family as a unit to keep the bonds strong enough to protect against this, but you also have to be willing to disown the ones that have betrayed you. A large part of the problem is that the boomer and millennial generations have done a shit job of being involved in the lives of their children, making fertile ground for the rot to take root. The degenerates that infest the classrooms have capitalized on this, and priority number one needs to be rooting them out.
 
I am willing to lay even money that most kids who complain about their parents are entitled fuckheads (barring substance abuse and physical abuse).

I know of a son who claimed his mother abused him because she gave him an aspirin suppository one time when he was 9 years old and feverish because he threw up the oral medication. The son had a vendetta against his mother because the father wanted to be the "winner" and win the favoritism of his kids - the son went on to break his mother's arm by pushing her down continually. The father said, "Are you going to take that out of her?" when she told the son to wash the dishes - this is what set the son off.

To this day, he is a druggie fuck-up who has fathered a child and refuses any responsibility toward the child because he was endlessly coddled and spoiled rotten by his father and was taught to disregard everything his mother tried to do for him.
 
The irony of the genX, millennials and zoomers is that they all mock the perfect American family archetype and deride it as something impossible yet at the same time ragequit when their family does not live up to those standards that they find absurd, a huge case of doublethink.

Still the erosion of families started with the boomers packing up and moving to the other side of the country if their employers would pay them more. I didn't notice that until I was sent to LATAM countries by my employer and found entire multigenerational families living not just in the same city but even the same neighborhood, regardless of race or religion. Some of the locals told me that yes they could also make more money if they moved to other parts of the country but "then I would be alone, wouldn't see my brothers, my cousins, and who is going to be there for my parents?". Its really a completely different worldview when you think about it.
I suspect a number will end up regretting it at some point
Specially when they find out they got taken out of the will.
Well, this article hits unusually hard for a great many reasons.
Elaborate.
Those eyes are unsettling man. Definitely a lock for wine aunt status by 40, or imprisoned for some murder.
See already looks 40ish to me.

Wanna play a game of "how many cats"? I'm going with 4.
Cults are notoriously hard to escape and that includes the cult of skydaddy just as much as the cult of gender.
Well christianity its basically a dying religion while the cult of gender its being boosted by thousands of NGOs fueled by seemingly infinite money while government pass laws that make any criticism of them a hate crime.

Even the dumbest normie can see where the wind is blowing, is like how when the king of a pagan nation converted to christianity the entire nobility and middle class did the same as nobody wanted to be left out, and eventually even the lowest of the plebians abandoned the old gods because they held no power anymore and loyalty to them meant being stuck at the lowest point of the social pyramid at best, and death for heresy at worst.

As christian communities disappear only the most diehard christians will remain unconverted, but even then they'll die off. For example it took just 100 years of christianity in the Roman empire for the ancient Egyptian religion that was over 3000 years old at that point to finally die out. Turns out that when the temples lost all political representation and were cut off from state funding the whole thing fell apart rather quickly.
It’s conflating the usual tantrums over faith and sexual deviancy, with genuine cases of abuse and neglect, and equating them.
They have been doing that for a while, feminists conflating cases of actual rape and violent murder of women by psychos to a bad one-nighter with some douchebag as if drunk sex is the same than getting raped and tossed in a dumpster.

Same with LGTV+OLED shit, being misgendered is not the same as one gay guy who was just minding his own business getting beaten to death.
Edit: I was wrong. Yes, Moon Worshipper, but not Iranian, Bosnian.
Funny how in her entire article there isn't even one mention of islam or muslims, another case of "bad when you do it, not when we do it"?
 
White parents are better than black & Latino parents by any metric, so the fact that white kids cut their parents off at such a high rate says it's the kids who are the problem, and I'm going to guess that there's a very strong correlation between having a university education and cutting off your parents.

you don't have to cut off your parents if they die from beetus, if they're too busy working to bother you, or if their English and ability to understand your life is too limited to get into it with you
 
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