Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I know about the coup that nothingburger is old already, anyway whats the deets on the offensive? force size?
OpSec on both sides is a hell of a lot better than it was even just a few months ago, so there's almost nothing for the OSINT fags to use. Its annoying, but its also a sign that the Russians have finally started to learn from their mistakes. Although since Suvorivkin got taken into custody on charges that he backed Prigozhin, I expect things to change there in a few months as the usual band of idiots throws out his hard work.
 
British people driving British road standard trucks to Ukraine so they can be turned into technicals. Apparently, it spoofs Russian Snipers, as the Ukrainians put a dummy in the passenger seat and that is what gets shot in the effort to disable to vehicle.

Clever girl.

Except thanks to Sky News, the Russians have been given a heads-up about the ruse.
OpSec on both sides is a hell of a lot better than it was even just a few months ago, so there's almost nothing for the OSINT fags to use.
Actually.... now I think on it I really don't blame the journalist, she's just doing her useless job. But the guy should've just shut the fuck up when asked, especially for something that requires a modicum of opsec to work; or just tell them they're for use in Ukraine but leave out the extra info about decoys.

I'd be pretty pissed as a Ukrainian if one of the volunteer mules talked to the media & blew the cover on my operation, even for something simple as that. Knowing OSINT autists on both sides, it probably wouldn't be that hard to figure out where the work is being done from that single news piece.
 
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British people driving British road standard trucks to Ukraine so they can be turned into technicals. Apparently, it spoofs Russian Snipers, as the Ukrainians put a dummy in the passenger seat and that is what gets shot in the effort to disable to vehicle.

I think 1:20 is a good illustration of recoil.
Like, damn, talk about stiffen up those struts.
That was a HMG from the looks of it. With the entire truck bucking back it seems very ineffective, even for bursts. Though I'm now recalling the triple linked Vickers so maybe it works for something beyond my consideration if someone put that amount of effort in.
The LMG looked a lot better but maybe a different truck.


It honestly makes one wonder how many junk yard trucks across North America could be used to effect, even without left hand drive.
How many clapped out uHurls could be weapons platforms?
 
https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/02...nch-tanks-are-inadequate-for-counteroffensive
https://archive.ph/37y3s

Ukrainian commander warns French tanks are inadequate for counteroffensive​

To the surprise of perhaps only the French, it turns out the AMX-10 RC can't stop shrapnel from 6" shells, rendering them rather ineffective in the current combat environment. The guys love the MRAP and Husky though since they can hit a mine and keep everyone inside alive, unlike the BMP/BMD.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...evgeny-prigozhin-vladimir-putin-chef-no-more/
https://archive.ph/5vxkA

Putin's chef no longer - Kremlin cuts ties with mutinous Wagner chief's catering company​

Treason has a price. I guess we'll be calling him The Man Formerly Known as Chef.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...ng-with-an-american-made-m-2/?sh=2a17ac355923
https://archive.ph/0PvbA

Ukrainian Engineers Are Recovering The 25 Vehicles Ukraine Lost In A Russian Minefield, Starting With An American-Made M-2​

Looks like they've advanced far enough past Robotyne they can undertake recovery efforts in an active minefield without risk of interruption. And for those curious what the American M88 they mentioned is like:
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The crew sure seem to be having fun going muddin' in their tank recovery vehicle. Here's the M88A2.
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Uparmored against light fire and with an engine big enough it can tow an Abrams all by itself. Range and top speed have taken a bit of a hit, but needing only one vehicle instead of two to recover an M1A2 is far more useful.
 
Realism is a pretty good theory once both sides agree where the influence begins and ends. However, when one side falls apart from it's own hubris and then turns around claiming to be just as strong as before, entitled to the same sphere while also being a complete ass at every level the theory cracks under the weight of the hubris.
Honestly, Russia's whole "might makes right" play on Ukraine wouldn't be so intolerable if they actually had the fucking might to pull it off flawlessly.
However, Russia had to go play the strongman card and accidently reveal itself to not be so strong, and so now has to bitch and moan about MUH SPHURE OF INFLUENZE!!! crying for the world to respect its strength like a feral hoodlum crying for repahrations n shiet.
 
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The crew sure seem to be having fun going muddin' in their tank recovery vehicle. Here's the M88A2.
With a good crew you don't gotta worry about getting stuck, it can pull itself out of fucking anything. ASI training involved the cadre sinking a track or wheeled vehicle up to the cab/turret/top deck, then getting the 88 stuck next to it; the task being to get them both unstuck. While occasionally it needed help to recover other shit, I don't think an M88 ever got itself irretrievably stuck. Impossible.

Driving that beast was one of my favorite non-ballistic experiences in the Army, outside going on an official joyride in an M1117 (courtesy of some MPs our range was hosting), and a few other shenanigans.
 
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Kill markings on a German-supplied Patriot battery.
May 13, 2023. Pretty much claiming they brought a Patriot battery up to the border near Bryansk and shot down those helis and jets. Wonder if they're using this near Zaporizhzhia to deal with those Ka-52s. They've made a lot of shootdown claims but no visual evidence yet.
 
Honestly, Russia's whole "might makes right" play on Ukraine wouldn't be so intolerable if they actually had the fucking might to pull it off flawlessly.
However, Russia had to go play the strongman card and accidently reveal itself to not be so strong, and so now has to bitch and moan about MUH SPHURE OF INFLUENZE!!! crying for the world to respect its strength like a feral hoodlum crying for repahrations n shiet.
Its not even that, its the fact that russia seems to feel its straight up morally entitled to be mighty at the expense of the West and its neighbors like Ukraine, and its inability to be mighty is proof russia is the poor persecuted victim of the west stabbing them in the back by not gifting russia control of its former domain in Eastern and Central Europe (remember the late 2021 demands by putin that every NATO state east of Germany lose NATO protection in exchange for absolutely fucking nothing) as some consolation prize for losing the Cold War, and the ingratitude of its neighbors for not allowing themselves to be conquered and the implication that they value their own nations and identities and futures above russia's delusions of grandeur.

Honestly and this is probably a dumb take, but a lot of this appears to me as the result of the post-cold war mingling of russian elites in the west, and the fact that they were given extremely undue respect as part of the general sweeping of the cold war under the rug era of the 90s, the war on terror era of the 00s, and the growing tensions with china era of the 10s meaning they were let off the hook for a hell of a lot more than they should have been, and were treated as far more important than they actually were by western governments and institutions until it became extremely fucking clear this shit was just feeding an already grotesque nationalist ego among them and making them think they could get away with anything rather than winning russia over as an ally or at the very least a dependable partner or sane rival who would not mindlessly shit the bed for the stupidest fucking reasons.

It also probably didn't help that russia was simultaneously being feted by loud retards on the left as a glorious anti-american-imperialism bulwark during the 00s and loud retards on the right as a #based and #tradpilled rugged and badass modern day Sparta during the 10s, and the fact that russia was consistently treated in westoid military centred pop culture and consoomer media as being equal to the US in military strength in vidya and movies and TV did nothing to help reality check the west or russia as to just how vast the gap in power was between the two, especially since russia has a long record stretching back into the cold war of seeing surface level shit or pop culture trends in the west and thinking they sekritly reveal the deeply held worldview of the westoid masses and elites and subsequently basing entire geostrategic goals around the talking points of a widely ignored or disliked fringe of latter day hippies.
 
Girkin said that as a result of the arrival of the Russian world in the Donbass in 2014, famine began there. And many pensioners were dying in their apartments from lack of food and medicine.

 
The new Prigozhin audio is weird. He sounds bottled.

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Yet another case of a Russian pretending to be wounded to try and kill Ukrainian soldiers during surrender.

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There was a pretty famous case a while ago where Russians claimed Ukrainians mass executed POWs when IIRC they had a bunch of Russians on the ground but not yet disarmed when one of their comrades jumped around a corner and shot at least one Ukrainian, which resulted in the Ukrainians shooting wildly and killing the shooter and some of the surrendered (who forgot to mention that guy I guess).

In other news, Russians are bragging about their war crimes again.
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To finish with something humorous: Apparently a western zigger managed to contact Girkin about one of their delusions.
Question (direct quote):
Rumor has it that as many as half a million (not 300,000) were mobilized during the partial mobilization. And 150 thousand somewhere are kept in reserve and being prepared. Could this be true?

Response:
I have no doubt that there are already enormous reserves on the Planet of the Pink Ponies, armed "to the teeth" with the most modern weapons and perfectly equipped with everything they need. For which several new corps have already been "formed".
On our backwater planet, however, many front-line units fighting on the front lines are not even close to the staff, and the newly formed corps has no one to join them except generals and high-ranking officers.
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Wonder if they're using this near Zaporizhzhia to deal with those Ka-52s.

Somewhat unlikely. Ukraine in the opening moves lost some AD assets, mostly S-300 mobile launchers that got too close and ended up in arty range. Ukraine is very unlikely to be risking patriots at the front, especially since they'd be of limited use against helos, its more likely they'd be trying to get troops in place with MANPAD.

Avoiding SAMs requires you to be low to the ground so the spotting RADAR can't find you. This is white knuckle diamond shitting in any aircraft, but easier to get and stay low in a helo. The corollary to this that being low makes you a target for MANPADS with very little warning.

Perun covered it in his video, but the KA-52 that was picking off bradleys was launching from about 10KM away, outside of most short range AD. It was likely hugging the ground and safe from SAMs.
edit: and because it was operating in friendly terrority, with a largely static front line, no need to fear MANPAD; If Ukraine keeps pushing the Russian front, even if they're thrown back, that will not remain the same.

Those helo kills were probably pilots doing rocket lobs, gaining altitude and getting picked up by SAMs, and thinking what had them was an S-300 system and they would have time to drop altitude and loose lock by the time the missile was in range. Instead they got a faster missile with longer & better terminal guidance.
 
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