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It’s already at that point where no name movies under the Disney+ umbrella that no one even noticed because they keep pumping out projects that no one’s heard of, nor will bother to watch it.
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Is disney + the new form of straight to video "entertainment" ?
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OTT streaming services in general has been the new-age version of STV (or DTV) since the beginning.
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I guarentee you The Haunted Mansion will be a bomb too this month.
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Yep, streaming services are nothing but content farms.
Yes there are older exceptions like Breaking Bad but that was made in a different time compared to now, now everything is made just for content sake.
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I have to say that it is amazing that Disney was able to kill, not 1, not 2, but 3 golden gooses. Pixar was the face of animated family entertainment and the pioneer of computer animation. Marvel is part of the Big 2 and, at a time, helped shape American culture into what it was. Lucasfilm created two of greatest and most popular action-adventure series ever made and their merchandise just seemed to print money. Disney ended up killing all three in their hubris that they thought they were too big to fail and that the audience are just mindless consumers who will eat anything up so long as you have the brand recognition. I hope colleges and universities teach students about the rise and fall of Disney and how not to be like Bob Iger and run a business.
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They COULD theoretically win back the crowd by going back to their roots of 2D hand drawn films about European folklore. But nah, that's too much effort. Also the mentality no more "white people stories". I mean just look at even a CG film like Tangled compared to some of their newer stuff - all white cast (even the HORSE) and no current year woke stuff. Now it's the exact opposite.
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It's not as if Disney couldn't make a 2D animated film about African folklore and myths. It's that they don't want to. Africa is so rich in folklore and myths that Disney would be set for 100 years but they don't want to do that. Instead they want to:
1. Make it seem like the West was always diverse as to make white Europeans and those of European descent believe that they have no culture and if they did they stole it from blacks.
2. Make people believe that the past was always diverse and inclusive.
Iger and his best buddy Larry Fink wanted to engage in social engineering and mold the next generation into their image. Lets just say that thank fuck Iger damaged his brand so bad that if he runs for president it would be meet with failure.
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there was a time they did
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I don't think they could physically make 2D animation anymore. The last generation of hand drawn animators were fired decades ago. There's no more talent entering the field, and 2d animation is now more expensive than 3D
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I think I saw the title card on Disney+ and just went, "Little kid shit." I just watched the trailer on youtube. It literally looks like a film of some kids just hanging out on the moon on a road trip. No suggestion of anything actually interesting going on.
Comments on the trailer are positive about the film being good. Reading up on it, seems like it's more interesting than the trailer suggests.
Isn't the point of streaming that you have a large library on content. If this genuinely was good, why not try and get people to watch it if your original marketing push was shit?
Do like Apple TV+. Have skippable trailers for content you want people to watch before shows.
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funny, I actually didn't know about mulan. this however:
you have a whole continent producing 2d in sweatshops, price and talent isn't the issue really (I mean asia, not japan only. lot of animation gets outsourced to the rest of SEA).
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looked it up out of curiosity, your name had a budget of ¥450 million, with ¥300 million for marketing (in today's dollar together that's a bit over 5 million if I read it right, probably notably less in 2016). it made over 380 million dollars at the box office.
can't find the budget for demon slayer mugen train, but that one made half a billion dollars. budget can't be that much higher considering spirited away had a budget of 20 million dollars, and made almost 400 million (up until 2020 according to wikipedia).
so no, 2d is still getting made and is still very lucrative - disney just sucks donkey dick at it, like everything else they do, and just like the rest of hollywood.
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Anime is basically a different industry with a strong, but still niche fanbase outside of a few cases like DBZ. Western Animation never built up an audience like that as it was more focused on technology and children. Boomers and X don't care about animation unless it is realistic because of films like Star Wars and MCU, while Zoomers have nothing to be interested in and have mostly moved on.
Animation is just another casualty of the American tech race and that is not something that can be easily overcome. Japan never had these standards as they didn't push for the billion dollar spectacle and just stuck to what they knew.
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Is Don Bluth and Richard Williams still alive? Last I checked one was trying to make a Dragoon's Lair series and the other had some animation about the trojan war he wanted to make.
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Richard died a couple years back. Don is still alive and had released his autobiography "Somewhere Out There" last year, but apparently Dragon's Lair is going to be live-action at the end of the day since no one wants to help produce 2D animation anymore.
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Now that elemental has officially bombed, taking into accounting distribution and marketing costs, when the last time (or maybe 2-3 times?) disney actually made money on a film?
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anime is mainstream by now. people that grew up with DBZ and pokemon are parents now. a single manga outsold the whole of american capeshit comics (which is probably part why the demon slayer movie made as much money as it did).
another thing to keep in mind that anime is still not shown as a main feature, while disneyshit and other animation is - that money is from limited releases and mostly asia. at the end of the day most normies don't even know the difference between "anime" and "western animation", for them it's all "cartoon" (ironically like the japanese themselves see it too).
disney still has pull because of it's brandname and the eternal consumer mindset of "this one might be good again", but inevitably anime, or anything non-disney will fill that void of people just wanting to spend money on good entertainment that distracts them. ghibli came close in that regard, but hasn't really anything done big in a while.
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I think a big advantage is that Japan's studios have far greater respect for creators, it helps that Japan's biggest anime franchises have mostly alive and active creators. Akira Toriyama can happily come in and out to lead DragonBall. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure stayed as a manga (besides one OVA for Stardust Crusaders) until the 2010s when a studio produced a faithful anime and the series boomed for a whole new generation especially in the USA. Look at Neon Genesis Evangelion Japan happily allowed Anno to procrastinate in making his theatrical trilogy.
The USA can have wildly successful creator driven content. In the last decade two of the biggest media franchises was (still kinda is) Robert Kirkman's The Walking Dead and George RR Martin's Game of Thrones.
And this reality is utterly devastating to Disney and the media conglomerate Bob Iger amassed. To be fair to Iger buying out Marvel was utterly brilliant, but now with Star Wars being a complete mess and Indiana Jones utterly collapsing it's looking so dire. And don't get me started on them buying 20th Century Fox, they spent a fortune to now have another network television station and the rights to Simpsons, Family Guy, and old brands that are just collecting dust like Alien and Predator.
Just imagine yourself you're an established media idea guy, the next potential Robert Kirkman. Would you rather work for Disney on a giant media property you'll hold no rights to or would you rather put your name to an original IP? The choice is obvious you don't become rich like James Cameron & George Lucas by attaching your name to someone's work you make your own franchise!
I don't envy the Disney production people, I'd take the job for the money but I wouldn't want Kathleen Kennedy's actual job. What a nightmare it would be to constantly churn out more and more Star Wars content.
Oh and I gotta make a whole post on the rise and fall of Pixar. That is one of the most fascinating cases of corporate warfare I've ever seen.