The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

[Darksy DePhil]

So pedos are dindus who were just seduced by internet porn?

They shouldn't be absolved from guilt or liability either, but i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these people got into it because of their former degenerate tendencies snowballing in the first place.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

So pedos are dindus who were just seduced by internet porn?

Not all of them certainly, but imagine you're a nine year old kid surfing the web and you accidentally or intentionally discover hardcore pornography. There is verifiable proof that exposure to sexual activity at a young age can have negative effects on a child's development and mental health (I.e. the theory that pedophiles reproduce by molesting other children). Porn is essentially doing the same thing and can really fuck some kids up. We're not talking about finding your dad's playboy under the mattress here; we're talking about some of the most sexually deviant acts ever recorded all at a child's fingertips.

 

[byuu]

Porn is essentially doing the same thing and can really fuck some kids up. We're not talking about finding your dad's playboy under the mattress here; we're talking about some of the most sexually deviant acts ever recorded all at a child's fingertips.

I thought we were talking about some coomer jerking it to hardcore porn and then going ever more degenerate.

Which is simply not how it works.
Look at degenerates like furries (which predate easily accessible internet porn). They don't start out as perfectly normal people who jerked off to so much normal porn they needed something more extreme.
You look into the online histories of those weirdos and you'll find degenerate autistic shit among their earliest presence on the internet. And they probably liked Disney's Robin Hood a little too much before ever touching a computer.

Blaming internet porn for your weird fetishes is just a cope.

 

[RichardMongler]

It's been my lived experience that the people fine with porn's legalization tend to be more consistent defenders of free speech than those who wish to outright ban it. It's also been my experience that those who wish to ban it are recovering coomers and fetishists struggling to come to terms they squandered dating opportunities on porn.

 

[Cheerlead-in-Chief]

Is it absolutely normal to lose interest in Hentai/Porn, even if the voice actress is in a YouTuber project that's non-pornographic?

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

It's been my lived experience that the people fine with porn's legalization tend to be more consistent defenders of free speech than those who wish to outright ban it. It's also been my experience that those who wish to ban it are recovering coomers and fetishists struggling to come to terms they squandered dating opportunities on porn.

Of course. Addicts tend to be the most rabid (to the point of being unreasonable) critics of things, whether because (positive take) they truly understand the risk of it or (negative take) they can only see their own experience. Your average dude watches porn, even laughs about watching porn to his friends, has no impact on his life. I'd wager recovered alcoholics tend to be much more militantly anti-drink (as a general principle) too.

i've also read a bit of StopGaming on Reddit and it's pretty retarded over there. Describes a legitimate problem (video game addiction), but the dudes on there act like the activity has no redeeming value or place in the world at all. Get to reading more, turns out they tend to be the kind of defectives that were spending 14 hours a day playing the same shit (World of Warcraft, COD, whatever) every day. So their backlash is much greater.

The idea of banning porn is idiotic, I cannot fathom how someone the type to wind up on Kiwi Farms thinks banning anything from the Internet (this same thing comes up in reference to kids) is going to work.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

People who think porn should be banned confuse cause and effect. If someone actually has a chance to have a family, a house, a decent paying job, etc. then they’re not going to get hooked on it. Now if you don’t have shit else going for you in life, then you will.

 

[End Game]

People who think porn should be banned confuse cause and effect. If someone actually has a chance to have a family, a house, a decent paying job, etc. then they’re not going to get hooked on it. Now if you don’t have shit else going for you in life, then you will.

You are probably right. But what about someone who is not so advantaged? I don't think it is a good thing for such a person to turn to porn to cope with their situation. It just makes things worse by, among other things, negatively affecting behavior around people like @SpinelessArtist said.

A person who is not advantaged in life should focus on self-improvement, such as exercise, career, learning how to dress, learning how to take care of their hair, etc. These things will increase the chances of getting a real relationship, whereas porn will decrease the chances and distract from self-improvement.

 

[Mothra1988]

learning how to dress, learning how to take care of their hair, etc.

This sounds like the kind of stuff they would teach retards. Is it literally autists freaking out about porn the most? I don't know, I think MOST well adjusted adults can maybe handle looking at porn, like they can handle a beer or having a piece of cake or whatever the fuck it is. I wonder what would happen if the /pol/acks obsessed with the "porn question" actually thought about things like why the economy is so fucked up. Of course, they want the economy fucked up so I don't know why I'm even asking that.

 

[End Game]

This sounds like the kind of stuff they would teach retards. Is it literally autists freaking out about porn the most? I don't know, I think MOST well adjusted adults can maybe handle looking at porn, like they can handle a beer or having a piece of cake or whatever the fuck it is. I wonder what would happen if the /pol/acks obsessed with the "porn question" actually thought about things like why the economy is so fucked up. Of course, they want the economy fucked up so I don't know why I'm even asking that.

We can tackle the issue from several directions. I'm not a /pol/tard, and I don't believe that large institutions and corporations have the right to fuck up people's lives to fill their pockets.

Porn is a problem, and discussing how to tackle it is a productive endeavor. If you think that it's a non-issue then good for you, but you are suffering from a survivorship bias.

 

[Mothra1988]

We can tackle the issue from several directions. I'm not a /pol/tard, and I don't believe that large institutions and corporations have the right to fuck up people's lives to fill their pockets.

Porn is a problem, and discussing how to tackle it is a productive endeavor. If you think that it's a non-issue then good for you, but you are suffering from a survivorship bias.

Alternatively, "large institutions and corporations" shouldn't be able to tell you what you can view with your eyeballs, and I find that infantilism of adults in that they must be saved from making choices you don't like via nanny-state coddling even worse that the problem you are addressing.

Porn isn't a problem for most well adjusted adults. I like how you didn't address the fact that you saying people need to be taught how to dress and style their hair is infantilizing everyone else like most people are autists who can't do regular things. "Think of the adult retards" is not a convincing argument, must less than "think of the children." When you're an adult, you have to be let out into the world. Whatever you do is your fault, and it's not job of society to babysit those people.

"Survivorship bias" just sounds like a pretentious way to cry that your life is bad for reasons outside of your control. Nah, this is nigger victim mentality repackaged for incels. You can't fix stupid. If you had your way and internet porn was banned, you find something else to cry about.

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Pornography as an industry and as a consumable is inherently evil and destructive in the same way addictive drugs are. It can and has warped the minds and habits of many men and women in negative ways, that’s been established a million times.
However, I don’t believe the government should intervene in porno, obviously things like CP are different subjects but we’re talking about porn as we understand the topic here. The ideal solution would be a culture of self responsibility, and a culture that is formed of strong individuals who can abstain from things such as drugs, alcohol abuse, porn, prostitution, etc, but lol right like that’s going to happen.
The only solution that is viable is to logically explain why porn is a problem, how to navigate around it, and leave it to the individual to make their own choice even if that choice is the wrong one. I’m very libertarian on things like drugs and porn and such, but I personally abstain because I understand the negative consequences if I don’t. If someone reaches the same conclusions then good for them, if they don’t then they don’t.

 

[End Game]

Alternatively, "large institutions and corporations" shouldn't be able to tell you what you can view with your eyeballs, and I find that infantilism of adults in that they must be saved from making choices you don't like via nanny-state coddling even worse that the problem you are addressing.

Porn isn't a problem for most well adjusted adults. I like how you didn't address the fact that you saying people need to be taught how to dress and style their hair is infantilizing everyone else like most people are autists who can't do regular things. "Think of the adult retards" is not a convincing argument, must less than "think of the children." When you're an adult, you have to be let out into the world. Whatever you do is your fault, and it's not job of society to babysit those people.

"Survivorship bias" just sounds like a pretentious way to cry that your life is bad for reasons outside of your control. Nah, this is nigger victim mentality repackaged for incels. You can't fix stupid. If you had your way and internet porn was banned, you find something else to cry about.

Again, you are only partially right. Which one is more likely to succeed in life: someone who grows up in a dysfunctional environment with no good role models, or someone who is shielded from useless/harmful entertainment while having good role models in their life? I'm arguing that if our environment is trash, we end up falling into trap after trap and suffering for no good reason. It's inefficient and unnecessary.

You have people who
- Haven't been thought how to take care of their looks/bodies when they were young.
- Were introduced to porn early in life.
- Didn't have a father-figure in their life.
- Have abusive parents.
- Are pulled into crime by bad "friends".
- Were introduced to drugs early in life.

You don't tell these people who are struggling to get up from their situation, that all their problems are their fault. It is only partially true, but not entirely.

If you can accept that, then you can accept that it's good to aspire to have a better environment for people to grow up in. If you don't think that we should let the government implement a firewall, then what alternative solution can you provide other than "don't be a retard"?

Pornography as an industry and as a consumable is inherently evil and destructive in the same way addictive drugs are. It can and has warped the minds and habits of many men and women in negative ways, that’s been established a million times.
However, I don’t believe the government should intervene in porno, obviously things like CP are different subjects but we’re talking about porn as we understand the topic here. The ideal solution would be a culture of self responsibility, and a culture that is formed of strong individuals who can abstain from things such as drugs, alcohol abuse, porn, prostitution, etc, but lol right like that’s going to happen.
The only solution that is viable is to logically explain why porn is a problem, how to navigate around it, and leave it to the individual to make their own choice even if that choice is the wrong one. I’m very libertarian on things like drugs and porn and such, but I personally abstain because I understand the negative consequences if I don’t. If someone reaches the same conclusions then good for them, if they don’t then they don’t.

I agree, we need to be strong as individuals and take personal responsibility. At the same time our environment does play a role, and I think it's irresponsible to not deal with what's going on around us. I'm just speaking in general terms, I'm not arguing for government intervention necessarily.

 

[skykiii]

How is porn addictive?

Every time I consume porn I suddenly completely lose interest in it after a while.

Yeah this has been my experience too.

In fact porn itself has often been the thing that keeps me away. I've made this rant before but I honestly don't see how most porn could even potentially be arousing.

If it were just pictures of naked ladies, that would be fine.... but on the one end of the spectrum a lot of times porn is just stupid (women making stupid faces or posing in clearly staged ways, or I've even seen a weird variety where they're otherwise fully clothed except you can see one naughty bit....) I've even seen porn where people are having sex while mostly fully clothed, which to me just seems unnatural. If you're already doing something that intimate, take the damn clothes off.

But worse is the other end of the spectrum, where bodies contort in weird ways and we see all sorts of things that frankly, don't need to be there. Mostly..... fluids, is all I will say. To me this is a little like getting aroused by an episode of Ren and Stimpy. In fact for a long time I thought this was a psyop to make sex unattractive to people by associating it with grosser things, until I realized people legit like this stuff for whatever reason, at which point.... well anyone who is actually this deviant probably just needs to neck themselves.

So rather than banning it, I would make a list of all the people who like it and put a bullet in their head.

 

[Mothra1988]

Again, you are only partially right. Which one is more likely to succeed in life: someone who grows up in a dysfunctional environment with no good role models, or someone who is shielded from useless/harmful entertainment while having good role models in their life? I'm arguing that if our environment is trash, we end up falling into trap after trap and suffering for no good reason. It's inefficient and unnecessary.

You have people who
- Haven't been thought how to take care of their looks/bodies when they were young.
- Were introduced to porn early in life.
- Didn't have a father-figure in their life.
- Have abusive parents.
- Are pulled into crime by bad "friends".
- Were introduced to drugs early in life.

You don't tell these people who are struggling to get up from their situation, that all their problems are their fault. It is only partially true, but not entirely.

If you can accept that, then you can accept that it's good to aspire to have a better environment for people to grow up in. If you don't think that we should let the government implement a firewall, then what alternative solution can you provide other than "don't be a retard"?

This is leftard feminist argumentation. Nurture always trumps nature, people have no personal responsibility, society molds them, nothing is ever their fault, the world is a community, and it's your responsibility to obsess over what grown ass people do with their free time including a bizarre obsession with their private sexual proclivities with weird male incels obsessing over the masturbation habits of other male incels and how women out of their league have sex. I love how horse-shoe theory has been proven correct. Absolutely no day-light between you and some dumb Obama voter in New England who wants the government to regulate sugar and carbs in food. Or the posts I read in Democratic Underground about how there should be government mandated exercise like everyone should be in perpetual middle school with government regulated adult gym class.

You have people who
- Haven't been thought how to take care of their looks/bodies when they were young.

Again, if you care so much about retards who don't know how to put on their underwear, go work at a retard living facility. This has nothing to do with anyone else.

If you don't think that we should let the government implement a firewall, then what alternative solution can you provide other than "don't be a retard"?

Yes, nanny-stater, "Don't be a retard" is excellent advice." Take it yourself.

 

[Shidoen]

I don't see what the problem is with just not masturbating. Just try to give yourself a sense of self-control, i've gone two years (after exiting highschool obviously) without nutting and had no negative effects. Mostly i'm just anti-porn because there's some pretty disgusting things and people surrounding it.

 

[Adam Jensen]

As someone who suffered porn addiction for more than 10 years, it warms my hearth to see more and more people being conscious about the harms of porn.

However, banning pornography is only going to make things even worse for a lot of reasons that have already been discussed in this thread.
I learnt that, if you want to stop your addiction, you have to stop blaming porn and start taking responsibility about your problem. Yes, porn is highly addictive, but your addiction is not going to disappear if you keep blaming PornHub, porn actors, hentai/R34 artists, etc. You must recognize that you have a problem and then start dealing with it.
I read a book called "Easypeasy Way to Stop Porn", which is the best way to overcome the addiction. I highly recommend it since other methods such as willpower and "self-control" just doesn't work.

 

[End Game]

Yes, nanny-stater, "Don't be a retard" is excellent advice." Take it yourself.

You keep straw-manning me. It doesn't help arguing when you can't sit for one minute and think about what your opponent is saying.

Let me try to interpret what you're saying. You seem to believe that every individual should fend for themselves. Meanwhile, large corporations such as MindGeek get to exploit the weak unhindered by any nanny-state. Am I getting this correctly?

 

[Catler]

I like porn, I'm a particular fan of gay furry porn.

There's nothing wrong with porn, it's just an easy thing for total failures of men to blame their problems on. You aren't a loser because of the porn, you were a loser to begin with and giving it up won't fix any of your fundamental problems.

The real issue with porn is the exploitation of the people in that industry, but that's a fixable issue.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Let me try to interpret what you're saying. You seem to believe that every individual should fend for themselves.

Yes, this is called "personal responsibility," and if you don't have any of it you're an invalid whom others must take care of. If you have only a bit of it then your own excesses prey on you.

Meanwhile, large corporations such as MindGeek get to exploit the weak unhindered by any nanny-state. Am I getting this correctly?

Viewing nudie frescoes in Pompeii brothels exploits no one. Actual porneia took place there. Viewing monochrome pornographic nickelodeons exploits no one. All involved are long dead. As for corporations, I think we should regain control of manufacturing, agriculture and banking from corporations, rather than adding The Great Firewall to the censorship powers corporations have over the internet.

As Dear Leader observed, this is the sexual morality present in Hollywood:

post-#MeToo world, a pedophile jew retains 8-figure check for capeshit goyslop movie after being accused of pedophilia and sex trafficking

at least people didn't eat it up, hopefully the chinese don't either

Meanwhile child-friendly corporations market trans mutilations to children. We have bigger concerns with corporate control than protecting people from their own excesses. Alcohol is not evil because alcoholics exist. At the end of the day only you are responsible for your life, and if you're not, it means you're an invalid who must be taken care of.