Nintendo Switch (Currently Plagued) - Here we shit post about the new Nintendo console, The Switch

[Betonhaus]

Underpowered hardware with a gimmick sold at a premium price has been Nintendo’s model for 20 years. Not sure why Switch 2 would be unique in this regard.

I think 1080p at 60 fps is considered good enough for the vast majority of the userbase. Also most of the highest selling Switch games were Wii U ports or look like it could run off a Wii U.

I guess I don’t see PS4 level power as necessarily a bad thing. The last time Nintendo attempted to be competitive was the GameCube. They will make Mario Kart 9 on it and it’ll sell dozens of millions of copies no matter what it looks like.

Idunno boss, it's plausible that Nintendo and nvidia will make a chip that puts more focus on improving AI capabilities, as it's already rumored to have Nvidia's DLSS. I don't see Nintendo being obsessed with graphics, but I could see them finding good use for AI capabilities.
Imagine Animal Crossing or Nintendogs with AI improvements.
Imagine Zelda or Mario with actually intelligent enemies (and companions, as the enemies will now be much more difficult - possibly with no repeatable attack pattern)

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Idunno boss, it's plausible that Nintendo and nvidia will make a chip that puts more focus on improving AI capabilities, as it's already rumored to have Nvidia's DLSS. I don't see Nintendo being obsessed with graphics, but I could see them finding good use for AI capabilities.
Imagine Animal Crossing or Nintendogs with AI improvements.
Imagine Zelda or Mario with actually intelligent enemies (and companions, as the enemies will now be much more difficult - possibly with no repeatable attack pattern)

Having seen how discussions play out about Nintendo hardware over the last couple decades (note username), I would never underestimate Nintendo’s willingness to cut corners or do something incredibly short sighted. I’ve seen these discussions had since the DS and Wii. People can speculate all they want of course but I’m expecting something that is on average slightly more powerful than a PS4.

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

Idunno boss, it's plausible that Nintendo and nvidia will make a chip that puts more focus on improving AI capabilities, as it's already rumored to have Nvidia's DLSS. I don't see Nintendo being obsessed with graphics, but I could see them finding good use for AI capabilities.
Imagine Animal Crossing or Nintendogs with AI improvements.
Imagine Zelda or Mario with actually intelligent enemies (and companions, as the enemies will now be much more difficult - possibly with no repeatable attack pattern)

The AI used for image processing like DLSS, or for generative models like the ones reliant on CUDA for machine learning, aren't the same as the AI you'd use for controlling enemies, like a finite state machine. More advanced decision making from enemies would be dependent on developer design, more than the hardware used. They're simple in games like Mario or Zelda because there's no real benefit to making them more complex versus the development cost of doing so. So I think that this chip might help image quality, but I don't expect any significant changes beyond that.

 

[Betonhaus]

The AI used for image processing like DLSS, or for generative models like the ones reliant on CUDA for machine learning, aren't the same as the AI you'd use for controlling enemies, like a finite state machine. More advanced decision making from enemies would be dependent on developer design, more than the hardware used. They're simple in games like Mario or Zelda because there's no real benefit to making them more complex versus the development cost of doing so. So I think that this chip might help image quality, but I don't expect any significant changes beyond that.

Nvidia is havily investing in AI technologies. it's possible the Swiutch 2 would have DLSS AND general ai capabilities

 

[BananaSplit²]

Underpowered hardware with a gimmick sold at a premium price has been Nintendo’s model for 20 years. Not sure why Switch 2 would be unique in this regard.

I think 1080p at 60 fps is considered good enough for the vast majority of the userbase. Also most of the highest selling Switch games were Wii U ports or look like it could run off a Wii U.

I guess I don’t see PS4 level power as necessarily a bad thing. The last time Nintendo attempted to be competitive was the GameCube. They will make Mario Kart 9 on it and it’ll sell dozens of millions of copies no matter what it looks like.

Some people have really weird conceptions of portable/handheld hardware considering the Steam Deck, which is one league above the Switch, still has to make sacrifices in graphic fidelity, resolution and framerate in order to run demanding videogames on lithium battery inside a small chassis.

The current Switch is already a mini-PS4 in terms of power (and more adequate to this task than what Sony tried with the PSVita), as it's been proved by several third-party games I've played (Nier Automata, Persona 5, EDF 4.1, Atelier Sophie 2, etc.).

If anything, I can see the Switch 2 being comparable to the Steam Deck in raw performance (which is basically between the PS4 and PS5). But running on a more energy-efficient chip instead, to avoid problems with the heat/fans/battery (as it won't allow user control like the Deck does).

 

[whatever I feel like]

Some people have really weird conceptions of portable/handheld hardware considering the Steam Deck, which is one league above the Switch, still has to make sacrifices in graphic fidelity, resolution and framerate in order to run demanding videogames on lithium battery inside a small chassis.

And that battery can only make it 90 minutes. The hybrid game is a tough road to ride, its certainly true.

The current Switch is already a mini-PS4 in terms of power (and more adequate to this task than what Sony tried with the PSVita), as it's been proved by several third-party games I've played (Nier Automata, Persona 5, EDF 4.1, Atelier Sophie 2, etc.).

Lol, it's ability to output is much more 360 level than PS4 level. Those games you played got by on excellent down-ports or having stylized graphics to begin with.




edit:

And this isn't too surprising, but it looks like we're getting our first real breadcrumbs on a Switch 2 release date.

I'm not going to copy the whole thing, which has a lot of quotes within quotes, but the gist is this:

"A chinese company that manufactures and assembles metal casings and heat dissipation modules expects increased revenue in the second half of 2023 due to new iPhones, laptops, and a new Nintendo Switch console expected to come out in Q1 2024:"

 

[Epoch]

I would very much hope that it DOESN'T have DLSS because then the games will look even blurrier with no option to disable it. It's bad enough that I have to mod the Xenoblade games to disable the TAA blurring. DLSS looks fine when the scene is stationary, but the second you move the camera it blurs real bad. I've also seen awful distortion on objects as they move around, like those interpolated slow motion videos. DLSS is a crutch, it should never be the final solution to the optimization problem.

 

[Becomemysoulreaver12]

Lol, it's ability to output is much more 360 level than PS4 level. Those games you played got by on excellent down-ports or having stylized graphics to begin with.

Not exactly, in terms of polygons yes, it is closer to the ps360 in power than to the ps4, but because of various factors, hardware effects, more and faster ram, etc, it can move more pixels, better textures, better post processing effects, etc, is still not close to ps4, it would be like 50% of the way, but it is far more powerful than the 360 and the ps3.
Edit: Also I heard that it is super easy to develop for, so I assume its easier to get full power from it than the ps3 jigsaw architecture for example.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Underpowered hardware with a gimmick sold at a premium price has been Nintendo’s model for 20 years. Not sure why Switch 2 would be unique in this regard.

Not quite. The Gamecube doesn't fit that mold at all, and it ended production less than 20 years ago. It was just as power (or more powerful) than its contemporaries. This idea of selling underpowered hardware based on a gimmick was really only something that started under Satoru Iwata, and he's dead now. It worked for the Wii and DS, didn't quite work as well for the 3DS (but since the Vita was an utter failure, it hardly mattered), and it failed utterly with the Wii U. It will be interesting to see where the current president takes the company.

I think 1080p at 60 fps is considered good enough for the vast majority of the userbase. Also most of the highest selling Switch games were Wii U ports or look like it could run off a Wii U.

But the Switch can't even come close to that. Hell, the other two competitor consoles can't hit those benchmarks consistently. So if Nintendo wants a handheld that can do that, they are gonna have to actually invest in decent hardware, not something that's just barely a PS5 in terms of power.

I guess I don’t see PS4 level power as necessarily a bad thing. The last time Nintendo attempted to be competitive was the GameCube. They will make Mario Kart 9 on it and it’ll sell dozens of millions of copies no matter what it looks like.

But they also want to make good games that run well and they clearly want to encourage strong third party support. Which means that they will actually have to make an attractive machine for third parties to get on board with them.

The current Switch is already a mini-PS4 in terms of power (and more adequate to this task than what Sony tried with the PSVita), as it's been proved by several third-party games I've played (Nier Automata, Persona 5, EDF 4.1, Atelier Sophie 2, etc.).

Yeah, no. The Switch still isn't quite PS4 level (when undocked), as games from that era (like The WItcher III) still need to make major graphical concessions to run properly, and many games, like GTA V, straight up haven't been ported at all.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

I hardly see why all these consolefag powerlevels matter when there are no good AAA games being made anymore. Just shovelware and political propaganda.

The switch at least has some games on it compared to its competitors. Who have moved all of their former exclusives to pc and driven off their former customer base.

 

[TVB]

there are no good AAA games being made anymore.

Except for stuff like Hogwarts Legacy or Elden Ring

 

[Spud]

Hogwarts Legacy

HL was mid at best tbh. It was just a collectathon in the harry potter universe

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

HL was mid at best tbh. It was just a collectathon in the harry potter universe

Yes, but it made troons endlessly cope, seethe, and dilate, and was one of the major "mask-off" moments for them, and for that, it gets my respect.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

Elden Ring

>barrelrolling with 1 hp simulator
Its a forced meme series at this point shilled by retards who have never played a balanced difficult game before.
Most of the community around it consists of "lore" discordniggers spamming clickbait, meme videos about silly builds, and abominations created in the character creator. Lets not forget the mods, which consist mostly of shitpost memes and randomizers.

 

[BananaSplit²]

And that battery can only make it 90 minutes. The hybrid game is a tough road to ride, its certainly true.

Steam Deck can manage a battery life between 3-4 hours in average, in a similar fashion of the OG Switch, and that can easily go up to 6 hours in something like retro emulation or a low-poly 3D title. The most demanding game that I'm currently playing on the Deck, Elden Ring, can still run for a little over 2 hours from a full charge, on 720p and high settings (minus Motion Blur)/30fps limit. I would certainly gain an extra hour more overall if I just disabled the wi-fi, or even go lower on the graphic settings.

Obviously, the longevity could be better but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. It helps that it's a Linux PC handheld that gives full control to the user.

Lol, it's ability to output is much more 360 level than PS4 level. Those games you played got by on excellent down-ports or having stylized graphics to begin with.

I specifically called the current Switch a mini-PS4 because the power doesn't fully match the PS4 itself, but there are far enough proofs present among the third-party library it is not far behind like some people pretend(ed) it to be. We've come a long way from the days of the PS Vita (which had actual down-ports) and prior handheld systems.

I hardly see why all these consolefag powerlevels matter when there are no good AAA games being made anymore. Just shovelware and political propaganda.

The switch at least has some games on it compared to its competitors. Who have moved all of their former exclusives to pc and driven off their former customer base.

Which is why I feel very well satisfied with both the Switch and Steam Deck, since what I mainly play for a while are japanese vidya and western indies.
Portable tech massively caught up to the stationary equivalent, to the point those hybrid systems are excellent alternatives. The succesors of both systems just need to polish up some rough edges.

 

[whatever I feel like]

I specifically called the current Switch a mini-PS4 because the power doesn't fully match the PS4 itself, but there are far enough proofs present among the third-party library it is not far behind like some people pretend(ed) it to be. We've come a long way from the days of the PS Vita (which had actual down-ports) and prior handheld systems.

What you are seeing isn't power, its TLC and dev familiarity with the architecture. Just as Mario Galaxy looked great but was built on an Xbox one level system that Witcher downport looks good (usually) but nowhere near as good as the PS4 version with added chugginess, looooooong load times and most importantly, lots and lots of trickery to get it to the only halfway gimped state it is at.

 

[TVB]

>barrelrolling with 1 hp simulator
Its a forced meme series at this point shilled by retards who have never played a balanced difficult game before.
Most of the community around it consists of "lore" discordniggers spamming clickbait, meme videos about silly builds, and abominations created in the character creator. Lets not forget the mods, which consist mostly of shitpost memes and randomizers.

Are you just projecting the game in a negative lite solely because of its crigeworthy community? A community, as toxic as it is, does not a bad game make.

 

[skykiii]

I hardly see why all these consolefag powerlevels matter when there are no good AAA games being made anymore. Just shovelware and political propaganda.

The switch at least has some games on it compared to its competitors. Who have moved all of their former exclusives to pc and driven off their former customer base.

I not only agree with all of this... but also honestly....

Who cares anymore? Outside of fags like Linus Tech Tips?

Oh hey, Overrated Boring FPS #8991 runs in 4K on Windows! Guess what,,, its still an overrated boring FPS that plays just like the thousands that came before it.

I wish console generations would stop where they are right now. Because as game development goes, what can you actually do on more powerful hardware that can't be done on Switch? Even Elden Ring could be made to run on the Switch if the Fromsoft guys weren't artsy snobs in love with their high-budget graphics (sort of like Square-Enix).

It's a far cry from the days when Mario 64 came out and was an actual new thing that older consoles really could not do (at least not without extreme difficulty).

 

[Betonhaus]

Maybe Sony and Xbox should be trying to make cheaper, portable consoles. The $900 32K 5,0000fps consoles aren't selling, so maybe make $200 consoles or ones you can bring to the toilet?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

If we are talking next console, I want to throw my hat in the ring and say Nintendo will make the Nintendo Dual Switch and come full circle. Think about it, a new Switch with slightly better hardware where the gimmick is that you get a lesser powered touch screen add on to connect to the bottom in portable then remove for home play. It is a Wii U gamepad, but the controller part is detachable like Joycons are now. This way, Arlo can play his latest Pikmin with gameplay on the TV, a small portable with a map and options on the side, and a controller in hand. It is a win-win. This also gives Nintendo the ability to bring back DS/3DS games and any remaining Wii U titles.