Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ghostse]

He really is modern day Hitler. Except Hitler had an active underground movement planning to depose him.

Hitler didn't have a column of mercenaries shooting down the luffewaffen and get within 100km of berlin before stopping due the intervention of Gen Franco.

Russians and foreign vatnik copelords abroad will pretty much lap-up any narrative RT puts out, so if the war ended today the claim will be "[MAP AS OF NOW] was always the plan!"

Putin the savy political genius he is always intended for the Urals to the border between Russia Europe. Not only will any assault have to go over fortified mountains the Russians control, but now the Finland/Sweden additions to NATO have been completely nullified. Its a complete masterstroke, NATO, Euros and Burgers totally BTFO. By abandoning Moscow to the Poles he's managed to free Russia from the entrenched political elite and oligarchs; why drain a swamp when you can just let your enemies have and die slowly of disease?


The NAFO types posting in the other thread are cheering like this some victory because they are idiots, this is just another case of Russia's methodical, grinding execution of the war. The US is going to go bankrupt attempting to secure everything west of the Urals, meanwhile Siberia is where all the natural resources are, and the only section bordering the #1 purchaser, China. Putin has just really trimmed down Russian society to true peak performance, getting rid of the useless oligarchs and queers in St. Petersburg. NATO can have them. And all this while Belarus continues to host Wagner; Wagner and Belarusian miliatary will totally decimate NATO's supply lines from the rear when the time comes for Putin to counter attack. The entire NATO front cut off and isolated, an entire country side full of dead amerimuts and polish mercenaries once Putin is ready to move, you love it to see it.
Trust the plan, we'll retake Bakhmut in two weeks.

The Russians have been slow walking it. It's not like they did one huge mass mobilization. They do a little bit at a time. I think it's every few months they call up more people. I think it might be a combination of things. The biggest one being that Putin worries about a large scale mobilization causing political instability. There is definitely a shortage of equipment for infantry. I have seen the videos of conscripts being told they have to provide everything else and all the Russian army has to provide them with is a uniform and weapon. I don't know if the Russians have started issuing old AK-47's or if they are still supplying conscripts with newer versions like AK-74's. But supply issues definitely play a role. The Russians said they didn't have anymore T-62's or T-55's left and they started pulling them out of storage fixing them up and shipping them to Ukraine. So they probably still have AK-47's sitting around as well. Then ammo comes into the picture. Do they have enough 7.62 ammo left? I would say they probably do. The Russians lie about what they have and don't have.

The Russians could just keep slow walking the mobilization. We are only going to call up another 100,000 men then that's it. A few months later "oh damn we need another 200,000". It's like a mobilization without calling it mobilization. Kind of like they did with the war calling it a SMO. The Russians are just playing the Western word games.

Russian supply definitely plays a part.
In WWII USSR had more than enough rifles, uniforms, and boots for soldiers, but their logistics were so shit and overrun with corruption that they weren't able to get those items from ports, factories, and warehouses to the troops that needed them.

Of course WWII USSR had the excuse of Hitler's sudden but inevitable betrayal bringing the war to them. Putin's Russia launched the invasion, and you'd think before doing that you'd have unfucked your logistics.

Some interesting energy news on the energy production side:

Burgerland has reached record oil/gas production:
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And is bringing more LNG export capacity online. If the end of 2024 predictions hold then it would be a >50% increase since the start of the Ukraine conflict:

The US has had the ability to supply Europe's energy needs with LNG since the 70s energy crisis highlighted that strategic vulnerabilit. Europe has lacked the facilities and logistics to process what it'd need, but something has happened to make greenlighting and onlining LNG facilities in Europe a priority. But I don't know what it could be....

My understanding of the whole thing is that he wants a clear, laid out, in writing process of joining NATO when hostilities cease. It gives him a massive political win and a light at the end of the tunnel.

He wants a NATO roadmap like the Former Satellites got (I forget the official term). It is a document that says "do this, this and this, and unless you've done something like start gassing Jews en-masse you get let into NATO once its done". Ukraine isn't going to get one until this over, because that roadmap is going to be leverage to force Ukraine to the peace table if shit bogs down and it looks like unpopular realities need to be accepted, also to keep them from going full Slav in the aftermath - I'm also 98% sure that roadmap is going to include a lot of demilitarization and moving installations from Western borders to Eastern ones.

Hmmm? They were friends in 2011? But what happened in 2014? What horrible Globohomo plot was unleashed to tear apart this brotherly bond? Oh wait...

This is the thing that pisses me off the most about the whole situation: How utterly pointless the past decade has been. Putin could have just accepted Ukraine would trade with the EU, and eaten his small L while using the ties with the country to consider every single Politician, General, and Bureaucrat was on their payroll. None of this shit, none of this death or chaos, was needed they could have softpowered their way back.

Instead Putin is a toddler throwing things because he only was allowed to get one candy bar.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_relations#In_Ukraine

Hmmm? They were friends in 2011? But what happened in 2014? What horrible Globohomo plot was unleashed to tear apart this brotherly bond? Oh wait...

Clearly, CIA unleashed weapon of mass mind control on the territory of Ukraine, turning 60% of the population gay and making them favor Globohomo overnight, while giving them inexplainable urge to join European Union.

 

[Night Crawler]

Russian supply definitely plays a part.
In WWII USSR had more than enough rifles, uniforms, and boots for soldiers, but their logistics were so shit and overrun with corruption that they weren't able to get those items from ports, factories, and warehouses to the troops that needed them.

Of course WWII USSR had the excuse of Hitler's sudden but inevitable betrayal bringing the war to them. Putin's Russia launched the invasion, and you'd think before doing that you'd have unfucked your logistics.

Shitty logistics is the way of the Russian army it seems. They suffered from the same issues in Afghanistan in the 80's. Then in Chechnya. They started the war in Afghanistan as well and still went in with shit logistics. It stayed that way through most of the war. It's like Putin is either really incompetent. Has been lied to and deceived the way Prigozhin said or he thought he could bumble fuck his way through a war in Ukraine with the rag tag shit show circus of a military they have. Either way it's not going as expected. Even in the first weeks of the war the Russians were being defeated by the Ukrainians and they weren't getting the level of assistance from the US or Europe they are now.

This isn't the first time Eastern Europeans tried to fight the Russians. But this time they are successful.

 

[whogoesthere]

This isn't the first time Eastern Europeans tried to fight the Russians

I think a lot of people for some reason ignore history when looking at these things. I mean who can say actions in the 1600s have an effect on todays situation, but I say it somewhat does. Russia always fucks it up. They can get something going no issue, but that finishing sprint always seems to elude them. Time and time again our Cold Euro cousins come up with some fucking idea, get everyone involved, then fuck it up once they have to actually see it through. They could rule the world, they have the best nation for it. Typical Russia...always fucking itself up.

 

[Ghostse]

Alright, place your bets:
Is Surovikin already dead, or he will still be alive when he "jumps" from that 5th story window with a polonium enema in the near future?

It's like Putin is either really incompetent. Has been lied to and deceived the way Prigozhin said or he thought he could bumble fuck his way through a war in Ukraine with the rag tag shit show circus of a military they have. Either way it's not going as expected.

TBCF, after how shit went down in 2014 I couldn't blame the Russians for being over confident. There was definite cause to believe that they'd have a repeat. I was certain Ukraine wasn't going to be able hold, just due to weight of numbers ... or that the 30mile armored collumn was going to be the end. So I get the overconfidence, but they had literally had war games in belarus with the same critical issues of fuel & supply and didn't do anything to fix them which is just criminal stupidity.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Hitler didn't have a column of mercenaries shooting down the luffewaffen and get within 100km of berlin before stopping due the intervention of Gen Franco.

Maybe not, but there were hundreds of attempts to assassinate Hitler, including dozens by Black Orchestra alone. One even came close to succeeding.

 

[Glowie]

Idk man, sharing a culture doesnt really justify trying to assume direct control.

Thanks for giving me a idea piss off /pol/ types using their own arguement against them.
"Since you're going on about this great replacement and demographics. By your logic your neiborhood, your state and everything you own belong to African American autonomous zone."

Sure as shit those shittalkers won't walk the talk and fight for what is theirs.

Suddenly those retards are all for different breed "based" empirical globalist order, which won't make their lives better.

Giving up your rights to get rid of troons is worth it, right?

 

[Vince McMahon]

I pay good money to keep this country afloat

I didn't realize the Western states have introduced "keeping Ukraine afloat" tax.

By that logic, I also pay good money to keep Ukraine afloat and your ass whenever you're on the dole, considering I pay taxes too. That's what "we live in the society" means.

Dumbass.

 

[draggs]

Alright, place your bets:
Is Surovikin already dead, or he will still be alive when he "jumps" from that 5th story window with a polonium enema in the near future?



TBCF, after how shit went down in 2014 I couldn't blame the Russians for being over confident. There was definite cause to believe that they'd have a repeat. I was certain Ukraine wasn't going to be able hold, just due to weight of numbers ... or that the 30mile armored collumn was going to be the end. So I get the overconfidence, but they had literally had war games in belarus with the same critical issues of fuel & supply and didn't do anything to fix them which is just criminal stupidity.

The only time Russia hasn't had logistics fucky wuckys on a hilarious scale in war was when the United States gave them the trucks, railroad stuff, and patient instruction in how not to be utterly retarded in WW2

 

[Oxyjen]

Bit dubious and probably not of much consequence now but still. https://t.me/proektproekt/855

 

[Exterminatus]

So looks like Ukraine is going to join NATO all I have to say is if Ukraine drags us into Cold War 2 electric Boogaloo I will be very very very unimpressed.

Ukraine won't be getting into NATO until the Russians are either kicked out completely or they end up striking some kind of deal with the Ruskies and at this point Zelensky and his team seem pretty committed to total vatnigger death.

Of course WWII USSR had the excuse of Hitler's sudden but inevitable betrayal bringing the war to them. Putin's Russia launched the invasion, and you'd think before doing that you'd have unfucked your logistics.

Comrade why would we need to worry about logistics? Ukrainian brothers will welcome us with open arms, there will be little fighting among family and soon tranny loving westoids will be diplomatically humiliated, what could possibly go wrong? Anyway I have to join my VEH DEH VEH unit, soon we'll be landing in Hostomel and be in Kiev for an easy win!

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Thanks for giving me a idea piss off /pol/ types using their own arguement against them.
"Since you're going on about this great replacement and demographics. By your logic your neiborhood, your state and everything you own belong to African American autonomous zone."

Sure as shit those shittalkers won't walk the talk and fight for what is theirs.

Suddenly those retards are all for different breed "based" empirical globalist order, which won't make their lives better.

Giving up your rights to get rid of troons is worth it, right?

Oh, don't get me started on this.
Here are even more funny scenarios to present to them:

1. "By your logic your neiborhood [sic], your state and everything you own belong to African American autonomous zone." But the African American probably has more in common genetically with the indigenous people of west africa. Have fun when the West African-African American Council assumes direct control... FROM NIGERIA!
Alternatively, if their state happens to be Texas, Nevada, California, New Mexico: the Mexicans/Spanish should assume control.

2. IF Ukraine ever had a native culture not influenced by Russia, THEN it's already been Great Replacement'ed (or at least to a large degree). And what do you propose to resverse the Great Replacement? Hmmm? Total Russian Death, NOW!
Bonus points for mentioning all the lands formerly occupied by the Kievan Rus which are currently occupied by the russian federation.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Lex Fridman puts out his most unliked video with Bibi, there's a section on Ukraine too which I think is worth listening to. Netanyahu doesn't buy the "let's talk" naive proposals Lex forwards and thinks neither side is prepared to negotiate. He also talks about the changed war dynamics when a country has nukes, and openly says that this is why Iran must be prevented from having them (cause with them, Israel won't be able to bully it when it considers it necessary).

 

[draggs]

Lex Fridman puts out his most unliked video with Bibi, there's a section on Ukraine too which I think is worth listening to. Netanyahu doesn't buy the "let's talk" naive proposals Lex forwards and thinks neither side is prepared to negotiate. He also talks about the changed war dynamics when a country has nukes, and openly says that this is why Iran must be prevented from having them (cause with them, Israel won't be able to bully it when it considers it necessary).

Israel will bomb the shit out of Iran's nuke facilities with F-35s and Mossad glownigger ops the second it thinks Iran is close to getting a nuke and bombing them is the only option to stop it. It's the one thing the left and right in Israel agree on

 

[mindlessobserver]

Western Ziggers are legitimately the dumbest people alive.

 

[World in Scarlet]

Animal collection. Pig, beaver and badger.

Spoiler: animals

The piglet has recovered and is now living with soldiers and drinking Coca Cola.

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The continuation of the battle between the Ukrainian military and a beaver has appeared online

Unfortunately, after the enemy was pushed back from the positions of the Ukrainian armed forces, he struck with renewed vigor, completely taking control of the trench

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Infiltration by a badger also occurred.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Western Ziggers are legitimately the dumbest people alive.

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It's easy to win wars when you can assume you've already won the war.

 

[World in Scarlet]

Western Ziggers are legitimately the dumbest people alive.

Wow, I thought that child predator had disappeared, but he's still going strong. I hadn't seem him in a long time.

Truly one of the ziggers of all time.

In other news, Prigozhin's catering businesses have gotten contracts worth upwards of ten million dollars since his mutiny, and his old contracts continue.

He did nothing illegal after all and there were no complaints.

Spoiler: Translated text of the article

Companies associated with the creator of PMC "Wagner" Yevgeny Prigozhin continued to receive multi-million contracts for the organization of catering in schools and hospitals after the attempted mutiny, RTVI noted. The sum of nine contracts concluded after June 24 amounted to more than one billion rubles. In addition, the contracts that were previously concluded with Prigozhin's companies, state agencies do not plan to cancel.

The largest contract for the amount of more than 705 million rubles went to LLC "Prodfutservis", the customer was the Department of Education of the administration of Mytishchi, Moscow Region. Under the contract, the company will supply food for students of municipal schools in 2023-2025. Other suppliers were AVK LLC, ZAO Combinat Preschool Catering (KDP) and Russotskapital LLC, which are linked to Prigozhin.

How are the companies connected to Prigozhin?
Earlier they appeared in media investigations about Prigozhin's catering supplies. Thus, according to RBC, the phone number of "AVK", listed in the SPARK database, coincides with the number of "SP Concord", a subsidiary of "Concord M", the owner of which is Prigozhin. "Russotskapital" has regularly acted as a spoiler participant in the competitions of other firms of the creator of PMC "Wagner". "KDP" with other companies Prigozhin also unite common addresses of registration and benificiary. The former owner of the company "Prodfutservis" Elena Lyashun used to be the general director of "Concord Plus", owned by Prigozhin, according to SPARK data. The company is also a co-founder of a self-regulatory organization in the field of social catering together with AVK.

Other customers of Prigozhin-affiliated companies include hospitals and polyclinics under the Moscow health department (five contracts worth more than 82.4 million rubles), the Artek children's camp (one contract worth more than 260 million rubles), and two hospitals near Moscow (two contracts worth more than 16.6 million rubles).

The old contracts concluded with Prigozhin's structures are not planned to be canceled by the state institutions. In response to RTVI's inquiry about the contract with AVK LLC for the organization of catering for the "Medical and Health Center at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia", the ministry noted that so far there had been no complaints about the work of the supplier, so there were no grounds for termination.

The Moscow City Health Department told RTVI that the contracts were being terminated in accordance with federal legislation.

In early July, the publication Verstka drew attention to the fact that after the military mutiny, contracts for the supply of food to schools in the Moscow region began to go to companies unrelated to Prigozhin. According to journalists' calculations, such companies lost 7 out of 11 auctions in which they took part. Last year, according to Verstka, Prigozhin-affiliated firms failed to win only six contracts out of 38.

Prigozhin's mutiny
On the evening of June 23, Prigozhin, who has long clashed with the Defense Ministry leadership, accused the Russian military of shelling the Wagner camps. He advanced columns of fighters toward Rostov-on-Don and Moscow, calling it a "march of justice." The FSB opened a criminal case against Prigozhin for armed mutiny. Vladimir Putin called the businessman's actions a betrayal and a "stab in the back."

On the night of June 24, PMC fighters occupied military facilities in Rostov-on-Don. In the evening of the same day, Prigozhin stopped the further advance of his columns to Moscow after talks with Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko. The Kremlin said Prigozhin would leave for Belarus. The same course of action was offered to the fighters of the PMC "Wagner". Putin also offered them to join the Defense Ministry or return home to their relatives.

In July, one of the commanders of the PMC "Wagner" Anton Elizarov told in an interview with the Telegram channel "Blue Z Beard" that Prigozhin decided to "let everyone go on vacation" until early August, after which the fighters "have a lot of work to do." Yelizarov also spoke about the preparation of the "Wagnerites" for redeployment to Belarus.

Another example of subpar equipment being issued to Russian forces surfaced. The cope is that Luganda and Donbabwe militias only do rear area guard duty, but the reality is that these forces have been doing front line combat since the war began and Ukrainians have captured Mosin Nagant rifles in Russian trenches several times. In any case any separation of these troops from the regular Russian army is merely Kremlin propaganda, same reasoning as having a dozen PMC do the exact same thing in the exact same place as the Russian army, while being funded and equipped by the MoD. These are Russians fighting for the Russian government, always have been.

date of filming is unknown.
Lugansk People's Republic, Russia.

source: Z telegram

 

[Ghostse]

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Bit dubious and probably not of much consequence now but still. https://t.me/proektproekt/855

"Chef has ass cancer. Source: trust me bro."
Eh, I just ignore these ad hominems because they smack of low-effort gay misinformation glowops. Plus with Sleepy Joe as the figurehead of the US Government, its a 'speck/plank' situation to be postulating about the health of the other side's leaders.

Anyway I have to join my VEH DEH VEH unit, soon we'll be landing in Hostomel and be in Kiev for an easy win!

Easy win? Did you not get the new memo comrade? Kiev a feint. We will be exploding helicopters and leaving our air assault unit to get ripped up by artillery when their relief column runs out of gas. Because leaving your best troops stranded and underfire by the enemy is how 8D chess is played.

Western Ziggers are legitimately the dumbest people alive.

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Russia: They can't win the naval battle if you don't have a Navy *taps forehead*

Additionally, what air battle. The US has the #1 and #2 airforce in the world and that's before we factor in most of the Russian Airforce's airframes are factory-stock Soviet production.

 

[Random Internet Person]

THE PARASITES​

Cartoon published 07/13/2023

The badly-dressed Zelensky looked smaller than usual while he attended the NATO summit in Vilnius. The diminutive Ukrainian leader insisted that Ukraine be admitted into NATO, but many leaders turned their backs on him. That at least was encouraging.

Zelensky’s widely-touted summer offensive has fizzled—and even Biden publicly admitted that Ukraine was almost out of ammunition. What? After pumping well over $100 billion into a country that few Americans could find on a map, they’ve already run out of ammo? What happened to all of that American taxpayer money? We know a lot of it was siphoned off by corrupt Ukrainian leaders including Zelensky himself. A lot of the munitions were sold to other countries. Ukraine has been a corrupt country for a long, long time and any American cluster bombs sent to that country will make both Zelensky and Biden war criminals.



Now that Zelensky knows he can’t win with his current setup, he is anxious to drag the western world into World War III. Zelensky is an evil man who should never have been elevated to power. He should have remained a comedian—one who played pianos with his penis. If only Zelensky hadn’t been installed by globalist powers. If only he hadn’t shelled the Donbas region, which is largely populated by Russians. If only he went to the peace table when he had the chance. Zelensky wants nuclear war if necessary to keep himself in power.


The world should wake up and realize that Zelensky and his war aren’t necessary. In fact, NATO itself is no longer necessary. It has been corrupted into a war machine by the globalist powers that control too many of its member countries. At least Trump wanted the leach-like NATO to pay its fair share, but what America really needs to do is withdraw from NATO entirely. While we’re at it, let’s also break up the corrupt Federal Reserve, the FBI and the CIA.

Our Founding Fathers warned us about avoiding foreign entanglements. It’s time lo let Europe take care of itself. The United States should have kept out of World War I. If we had done so, WWII would have been avoided. It’s time for America to give up the idea of being a globalist empire. We are not the world’s policeman. We should not be the tool being cynically used to conquer the world for the WEF and the globalist bankers. It’s time to stop feeding the military industrial complex. It’s time to tune out the the insane uni-party war mongers who are constantly crying out for the escalation of the Ukraine war, which could lead to outright nuclear war. The fear-mongering globalists constantly push their climate change bunk upon us, but a nuclear exchange would be far more disastrous than changing weather. Yet, the war mongers aren’t afraid of nuclear war. Why?


The United States has no intrinsic interest in Ukraine, but those at the top have been using it to launder money. Ukraine enables kickbacks to our corrupt politicians and their family members. It’s time to denounce the lunatics who want to see Ukraine converted into a militarized, ‘woke’ springboard that the globalists want to use to take down Russia.


What can we do? Refuse to agree with those who are pro-war. Don’t get swayed by their claptrap pronouncements such as, ‘We must fight the war over there before it comes here.’ Denounce the warmongers. Loudly boo Mike Pence, Mitt Romney, Lindsey Graham, Nancy Pelosi and their ilk whenever they make public appearances. Stop watching the mainstream propaganda media when they loudly bang on their war drums.

If we want to take a firm stand against war, then we need to stop slouching toward supporting war.

— The GrrrTeam