Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

@World in Scarlet
Another example of subpar equipment being issued to Russian forces surfaced. The cope is that Luganda and Donbabwe militias only do rear area guard duty, but the reality is that these forces have been doing front line combat since the war began and Ukrainians have captured Mosin Nagant rifles in Russian trenches several times.
This video hurts my soul; those crates of Thompsons and everything else could've ended up here, but then Putin (and our politicians) had to go & ruin a good thing. But I don't think they came from Russian supplies, anyways; they're too rust-free. It's more likely they came from that Ukrainian salt-mine stash.

However... there's no US arms embargo on Ukraine, and it won't take long for those things to end up left on Ukrainian soil again.

When the war ends, who wants to go with me for a little metal-detecting & shopping?
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Another example of subpar equipment being issued to Russian forces surfaced. The cope is that Luganda and Donbabwe militias only do rear area guard duty, but the reality is that these forces have been doing front line combat since the war began and Ukrainians have captured Mosin Nagant rifles in Russian trenches several times. In any case any separation of these troops from the regular Russian army is merely Kremlin propaganda, same reasoning as having a dozen PMC do the exact same thing in the exact same place as the Russian army, while being funded and equipped by the MoD. These are Russians fighting for the Russian government, always have been.
Great job blurring, fucking retards
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Pretty sure if you spend more than 5 seconds going through the video like I did, you'd be able to extract some higher quality portraits.
 
I think a lot of people for some reason ignore history when looking at these things. I mean who can say actions in the 1600s have an effect on todays situation, but I say it somewhat does. Russia always fucks it up. They can get something going no issue, but that finishing sprint always seems to elude them. Time and time again our Cold Euro cousins come up with some fucking idea, get everyone involved, then fuck it up once they have to actually see it through. They could rule the world, they have the best nation for it. Typical Russia...always fucking itself up.
The Russians do have some successes. Operation Storm 333 in Afghanistan went well for the Soviet Union. But they were up against poorly trained Afghan security forces. They literally didn't pull the pins on the grenades when they threw them at the Soviet soldiers. The Soviets picked them up and threw them back but with no pins. Like I said from the start of the war there a nig difference between fighting a bunch of poorly trained people or insurgents in third world hellholes and fighting people that have actual training. I think the Russians started overestimating themselves after Syria. Ukraine won't be one of their successes though.
Alright, place your bets:
Is Surovikin already dead, or he will still be alive when he "jumps" from that 5th story window with a polonium enema in the near future?



TBCF, after how shit went down in 2014 I couldn't blame the Russians for being over confident. There was definite cause to believe that they'd have a repeat. I was certain Ukraine wasn't going to be able hold, just due to weight of numbers ... or that the 30mile armored collumn was going to be the end. So I get the overconfidence, but they had literally had war games in belarus with the same critical issues of fuel & supply and didn't do anything to fix them which is just criminal stupidity.
After what happened with the coup and Prigozhin backing down I won't get that involved again. lol

Most people thought it would be over in a few weeks. That Ukraine would be under Russian control. The US dumped Stingers and ATGM's into Ukraine because they expected the same thing. That the Ukrainians would have to fight the Russians through an insurgency. Everyone was wrong. I knew as soon as I saw videos of the Russian armored vehicles sitting on the side of the road out of fuel and Russian supply trucks driving around lost because they lacked GPS that things wouldn't go well. Then all the other news started coming out about just how badly the Russians were running the whole war. They didn't have enough trucks to carry supplies. They were sending tanks into urban centers with no infantry. They tried to do a blitzkrieg and the tanks and other vehicles moved farther ahead than their fuel. It's been a total humiliation for Russia. This is really bad.
Western Ziggers are legitimately the dumbest people alive.

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Scott Ritter is a retard. lol
Another example of subpar equipment being issued to Russian forces surfaced. The cope is that Luganda and Donbabwe militias only do rear area guard duty, but the reality is that these forces have been doing front line combat since the war began and Ukrainians have captured Mosin Nagant rifles in Russian trenches several times. In any case any separation of these troops from the regular Russian army is merely Kremlin propaganda, same reasoning as having a dozen PMC do the exact same thing in the exact same place as the Russian army, while being funded and equipped by the MoD. These are Russians fighting for the Russian government, always have been.
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I watched that video and I saw them take out those PPSH and Thompsons and I knew there was gun collectors crying. They didn't look to be in bad shape either. At least from what I saw in the video. They might be old, but they can still kill. I saw Mosin Nagants and I think RPD's or RPK's as well. Just more tears from gun collectors.
 
So I decided t do one of my favorite games when i have a decent scotch and some time to kill, go read TASS and see what utter horseshit they're spinning.
MOSCOW, July 13. /TASS/. Upgraded Pantsyr surface-to-air missile/gun systems boast 100% protection from rockets of the US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket system, a senior executive of the state tech corporation Rostec told TASS on Thursday.
"The efficiency of Pantsyr surface-to-air missile/gun systems upgraded following the results of the special military operation reaches 100% against rockets of the US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems in some cases," Industrial Director of the Rostec Cluster of Conventional Armaments, Munitions and Special Chemistry Bekhkhan Ozdoyev said.
"Any weapon is modernized and improved following the results of its combat employment. This is a continuous process. For example, after the enemy received HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems, specialists of High Precision Systems upgraded the Pantsyr to intercept these rockets. Today we see examples when HIMARS strikes are successfully countered by our surface-to-air missile/gun system. There are precedents when all the 12 rockets launched from an American MLRS are shot down," Ozdoyev said.
High Precision Systems earlier told TASS that the company had upgraded the Pantsyr surface-to-air missile/artillery system, following the results of its operation in the zone of the special military operation in Ukraine and the enemy’s use of modern rocket systems, such as HIMARS launchers.

As the Russian Defense Ministry reported, the crews of Pantsyr air defense systems detect and shoot down several targets during every shift in the special military operation in Ukraine. These systems enable operators to spot cruise and ballistic missiles, helicopters and aircraft or Soviet-and Western-made MLRS rockets and also 30x30 cm utility drones, which Ukrainian reconnaissance frequently uses to ferret out terrain and as kamikaze drones.
The Pantsyr surface-to-air missile/gun system is designed to shield military, administrative and industrial facilities and areas from enemy aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and precision weapons and to boost air defenses in repelling massive air strikes. The Russian Army operates the Pantsyr-S modification with a multi-channel system of locking on and tracking targets. It is capable of striking aerial targets flying at a speed of up to 1,000 m/s and at a distance of 200 meters to 20 km.
Uh-oh HIMARS bros, it's all over for us again. Of course the astute amongst you might be asking some basic questions like "how are HIMARS shooting any rockets when they've all been destroyed already?" and "how the fuck are you shooting down all 12 missiles, when they only fire 6?" and the answer to all these questions is, as it always is, "shut up Russia stronk"

MOSCOW, July 4. /TASS/. The heavy aircraft carrier The Admiral of the Soviet Fleet Kuznetsov may enter service with Russia’s Navy in late 2024, an official in the shipbuilding industry told TASS.
He referred to the latest plan under which factory sea tests should begin next spring to be followed by state trials in the fall of 2024. "If [the vessel] is tested flawlessly, it may be transferred to the Navy in late 2024. If something goes wrong during the trials, the process will inevitably be postponed to 2025," the official said.
According to him, the heavy aircraft carrier has been under repairs at the 35th Ship Repairing Plant for six years already and the delay is due to deliveries by the companies involved in the project being postponed, while the client, too, has been constantly tweaking its requirements.
According to him, upon the completion of repairs and upgrading works, the service life of the aircraft carrier will be extended by 20 years.

TASS does not have official confirmation of this information.

This one is less directly relevant to the war because even if the Kuznetsov wasn't stuck in dockyard hell, it wouldn't be taking part in the war anyway. However I think it does provide a useful insight into the actual current state of the Russian MIC, despite their repeated claims that everything is fine, sanctions are doing nothing, and they'll be producing 6 gorillion of everything on time and under budget this year.

Also, fun fact, if it does slip back to 2025 the refit alone will have taken almost as long as the thing took to build in the first place.
 
Its looking like Tokmak is the major objective of the UAF at this point. Huge fights along the T-04-08 highway, and the town itself is essentially getting carpet bombed by the Ukrainians.

Ukrainian Media reports a HIMARS strike just killed the Russian Garrison Commander and 200 soldiers in a strike on the city center.


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They are also saying the Russian occupational police and FSB have left the town. Big if true.

Rumors are the Ukrainians are using cluster bombs on the town.
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Live map is also lit up. Confirmed UAF maneuvers in Robotnye moving out of the fields to secure the road proper.

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The fighting is now 20 Kilometers away from Tokmak Air Force Base according to open sources, and the UAF is claiming "Partial Success".

This is looking like its the big one. We've already had visual of Leopards and Bradleys on this Front. Ukraine has finally chosen its target.
 
Russian "shock" troops & punishment/penal brigades given amphetamines before assaults:
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Russia has taken to chemically lowering its soldiers' inhibitions to guarantee these ill-trained civilians and convicts continue to fight no matter the odds in the ongoing war in Ukraine, according to a UK defense think tank.
The Royal United Service Institute published a May report examining how Russia's military tactics have evolved in the second year of conflict, citing Ukrainian military personnel who said the Russian soldiers they encounter often appear to be "under the influence of amphetamines or other narcotic substances"
The men most likely to be battling while high are Russia's "disposable infantry," which primarily consists of conscripts from the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics, prisoners drafted by the Wagner Group, and mobilized draftees, the report said.
According to the Royal United Service Institute report, these "disposable" troops are sent in small groups to "skirmish" with Ukraine's defense "until killed." Ukrainian troops have noted that many of the Russian soldiers continue to advance even after being hurt.
Material recovered from the battlefield suggests Russian soldiers are most likely taking the substances in liquid form, the report said.
The drugging of active-duty soldiers may be a bleak battlefield strategy, but it's not an uncommon one, according to Mick Ryan, a retired Major General in the Australian Army and a military strategist, who said he witnessed the tactic when he was on the border of East Timor with an infantry battalion in 2000.
"This is nothing new, sending troops forward under the influence of drugs, it's actually pretty common in military history," Ryan told Insider.
As Insider reported earlier this year, several countries have a history of supplying their soldiers with performance-enhancing drugs. British stores used to sell syringes of heroin as gifts for troops during World War I; the Nazis pumped their men full of meth to increase awareness and vigilance on the battlefield; and the US military distributed painkillers and "pep pills" — also known as speed — to soldiers headed toward long-range reconnaissance missions during the Vietnam War.
Russia has its own checkered history with drug and alcohol use during war. A UK intelligence update in April suggested Russian soldiers are dying in Ukraine as a result of alcoholism.
A captured Russian soldier told CNN earlier this year that his commanders in Ukraine were high on their supply of painkillers and ordered troops to do dangerous, nonsensical things, like run under mortar fire.
The tactic is likely a necessary measure to ensure Russian troops continue to fight even when their leaders have given them little worth fighting for, Ryan said.
The Ukrainians, he said, have "heaps of purpose." They know exactly who they're fighting and what they're fighting for — an enemy that wants to destroy their nation, Ryan said.
The Russians aren't so lucky.
"Sometimes you replace good purpose and good leadership and good team building with drugs," Ryan told Insider. "This is what some institutions do to try and make sure their soldiers still run at machine guns."
No big surprise here; the Russian contract troops have been riddled with shit like tramadol for years, especially in places like Syria & Donetsk. They've long had problems with morphine meant for field-medics & hospitals being diverted, and habits don't stop because a war starts. While it's embarrassing & readiness-degrading during the ostensible peacetimes, it's disasterous for morale at least & outright fucking sucks for the legit wounded. They absolutely need to have their assault troops gacked on speed, because they know nobody is getting any morphine if they're hit.

And meanwhile, on a similar tip in Ukraine:
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Ukrainian MPs have voted to legalise marijuana to help war veterans cope with physical and mental trauma. The Bill to allow marijuana for medical use sailed through its first reading on Thursday with 268 out of 344 lawmakers supporting the legislation. It now needs to pass a second reading in parliament before being sent to Volodymyr Zelensky to sign into law. The overwhelming support for cannabis for medical use marks a turnaround in attitudes towards the drug since Russia invaded Ukraine. In 2021 the same Bill was easily defeated. Now cannabis is seen as an effective alternative to other prescription drugs to treat the thousands of soldiers and civilians physically and mentally harmed by the war. “Veterans and wounded use marijuana and the legislature wants its use legalised,” said Tymofiy Mylovanov, the head of the Kyiv School of Economics and an adviser to Mr Zelensky.
A report by the World Health Organisation in February estimated that a quarter of the Ukrainian population and 60 per cent of its soldiers may be suffering from depression or PTSD because of the war. It also said that mental health services in the country have been sidelined to prioritise increasing trauma unit capacities. Mr Zelensky has supported legalising marijuana for medical use and on the eve of the vote several prominent Ukrainians also voiced their backing for the motion.
 
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Western Ziggers are legitimately the dumbest people alive.

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>Russia can't even establish air superiority against Ukraine's aging MiG-29s and hand-me-down Flankers after a year and a half
>Anyways Russia is just gonna insta-pwn against some 50+ Finnish F-18s and ~70 Swedish Gripens
>meanwhile the rest of NATO will just stand-down and do nothing
>Russia can't even take Keiv, ~100km from its border
>Anyways Russia is just gonna waltz into Helsinki (>100km from its border) before fucking teleporting troops across the water into Sweden
>meanwhile the rest of NATO will just roll-over and let this happen

t. Scott "Tactichomo" Ritter
 
Its looking like Tokmak is the major objective of the UAF at this point. Huge fights along the T-04-08 highway, and the town itself is essentially getting carpet bombed by the Ukrainians.

Ukrainian Media reports a HIMARS strike just killed the Russian Garrison Commander and 200 soldiers in a strike on the city center.


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They are also saying the Russian occupational police and FSB have left the town. Big if true.

Rumors are the Ukrainians are using cluster bombs on the town.
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Live map is also lit up. Confirmed UAF maneuvers in Robotnye moving out of the fields to secure the road proper.

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The fighting is now 20 Kilometers away from Tokmak Air Force Base according to open sources, and the UAF is claiming "Partial Success".

This is looking like its the big one. We've already had visual of Leopards and Bradleys on this Front. Ukraine has finally chosen its target.
Yeah, I saw day before yesterday hohols claiming that shit was going down at Robotyne. But it sounded like more of the same, UAF advanced a little and maybe occupied but hasn't moved past some of the main Russian defense line. Not the main main Russian defense line closer to Tokmak, but the main defense line protecting the Robotyne area. It's part of the first big Russian defense line that goes the breadth of Zapo

The US is giving Ukraine a fuckton of cluster shells all at once, they're gonna be able to shoot a lot of them for some time
 
highland clearances come to mind
The Highland Clearances was done by the Scots. Vast fields of wool sheep paid better than rents from subsistence tenants, especially with England opening up wool factories. So sweep the farms clean and displace the tenants to labor in English factories spinning the wool that came from the lands they used to work. Its so cruel, selfish, and win-win only a miserly Scot could come up with it.
This defeats your own freaking point that Ukraine is already Russified and its a lost cause.

Further, this just reinforces my point that the Russian Federation and its enforcers (RF/FSB) would need time to properly convert the populace of captured territories into good little Russian citizens and reroute infrastructure for integration with the Russian Federation.
Russia has been trying to Russify the place since the 1500's. It hasn't taken.
You just crossed a line there, boyo.
I hope for his sake he doesn't own an automobile.
idk man, sharing a culture doesnt really justify trying to assume direct control.
Yeah, I wonder how English the people in the Thirteen Colonies considered themselves until they suddenly didn't. Fun fact: the whole reason shit kicked off so hard was precisely because the Colonists viewed themselves as Englishmen and got tired of Parliament shitting on them.
but their logistics were so shit and overrun with corruption that they weren't able to get those items from ports, factories, and warehouses to the troops that needed them.
That was pretty much everyone in WW2 except the USA who deliberately factored in a certain amount of ah... "wastage" into our logistics chains and supply depots, by which they expected 1 out of every 3 items to go missing, wind up damaged, or otherwise be unfit for use by the time it arrived. The British armored units in North Africa had a spare parts situation about as good as that of the Germans in Russia. Theft, cannibalism, and jury rigging were the standard for their units that had English-made tanks.
Is Surovikin already dead, or he will still be alive when he "jumps" from that 5th story window with a polonium enema in the near future?
He'll be "alive" when his suicide is finally announced. Pay no attention to the fact he somehow microwaved his dismembered pieces to bring them to room temperature. Even if he isn't dead now, I doubt Putin will keep him alive given his disloyalty.
They are also saying the Russian occupational police and FSB have left the town.
Its one thing to glare at and beat the locals. Another thing to stick around and take your chances with some seriously pissed off and well-armed soldiers. Standard operating procedure for any occupational police forces.
Russian "shock" troops & punishment/penal brigades given amphetamines before assaults:
Nothing new there. During WW2 a Russian soldier had a daily vodka ration of 500 grams. Right before launching major assaults it was common for the infantry to get double or even triple rations so they'd have lots of liquid courage in them, never mind its anesthetic properties.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...ount-surplus-plunges-93-energy-exports-2023-7
https://archive.ph/IZfoE

Russia's economy dealt a crushing blow as its current-account surplus collapses by 93%​

In shocking news the Russian economy is not doing so well.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...l-keep-black-sea-grain-deal-alive-2023-07-12/
https://archive.ph/dWCVP

UN asks Putin to extend Black Sea grain deal in return for SWIFT access, sources say​

Smart move IMO. Africa wants food, and this will make the West look good for helping them get it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/weapons-ukraine-nato-summit-141829804.html
https://archive.ph/8fZjr

All the Weapons Ukraine Will Get After the NATO Summit​

Storm Shadow, tank shit, lots of logistics shit and most importantly IMO, a NATO-staffed rehab center for war wounded.

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Of course its a fucking Touhou fag simping for Russia.
 
Back before Operation Iraqi Freedom, Scott "Sex Pest" Ritter gave a detailed explanation on why the US would not be able to take Baghdad. I guess he's expanded on his views as Russia can suddenly take four countries in stride on it's way to Sweden.
"how the fuck are you shooting down all 12 missiles, when they only fire 6?"
To be fair to the numpties at TASS, the guy says MLRS and there are a baker's dozen of M270s in Ukraine.


The US has had the ability to supply Europe's energy needs with LNG since the 70s energy crisis highlighted that strategic vulnerabilit. Europe has lacked the facilities and logistics to process what it'd need, but something has happened to make greenlighting and onlining LNG facilities in Europe a priority. But I don't know what it could be....
Not entirely sure what you mean here. As in the technology for LNG existed in the 70s?
Problem I see with that is the United States didn't produce excess energy until the Shale Boom and Fracking. Total US production has effectively doubled in the last 15 years. Crude oil even more so. As of May US crude oil production is ~double that of Russia.

Those export graphs, beautiful:

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@Snekposter
That was pretty much everyone in WW2 except the USA who deliberately factored in a certain amount of ah... "wastage" into our logistics chains and supply depots, by which they expected 1 out of every 3 items to go missing, wind up damaged, or otherwise be unfit for use by the time it arrived.
Given the German U-boat fleet during both WWI and WWII tried they're hardest to sink as many transport ships as they could. That "wastage" margin came in handy, and still shit got pile up waiting to be loaded and eventually unloaded when they arrived.
 
To continue with the theme for first-person-views from the point of missile targets, an ATGM is launched at a surveillance camera (& excavator immediately behind it).


 
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