I hate the Internet and the people who own it

[FrickleMyPickle]

Seems like clearnet has started working well again. The tranny dos tossing must have been called off or they ran out of tugboat money again. DRINK!

Drink and sneed forever!

 

[Hepativore]

Drink and sneed forever!

May the troons wave their dilators and packers in the air in futile rage!

 

[MooseGump]

I like that now malwarebytes started to block connections to the site, once I whitelisted it I can visit the site just fine
Didn't have to do that when they first started to block the site during DropKF

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Their response to this pretty much kills any credibility they have. Guessing some eurofag who thinks it's ok to charge someone for training their pug to do a nazi salute as a joke.

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Arguments about free market aside, how does free speech “don’t work”? Unlike a market, there is nothing to work. They get to speak, that’s it. And to that extend it does work.

Foia doesn't do it.
It requires a lawsuit against the federal government.

Technically speaking, it only requires it when the feds don’t comply, which is true for all laws regarding Government actors.

 

[dumbledore]

I like that now malwarebytes started to block connections to the site, once I whitelisted it I can visit the site just fine
Didn't have to do that when they first started to block the site during DropKF

Its caused by terrible reputation of IP's in the subnet KiwiFarms currently uses in Lithuania.
There are a bunch of phishing pages and other shit in this subnet(not owned by Null, its the hosting provider he is using there), so its understandable for Malwarebytes to just block entire subnet.

If you'd like to get it removed, contact them and tell them to remove 141.98.10.67 and 141.98.10.77. They will comply after checking no malicious shit is hosted on these IP's.
It has nothing to do with KiwiFarms.

 

[Barry McKockner]

Arguments about free market aside, how does free speech “don’t work”? Unlike a market, there is nothing to work. They get to speak, that’s it. And to that extend it does work.

They claim free speech doesn't work because to them, a healthy society shouldn't have the ability to question the institutions they spent so long capturing in an effort to ensure they get total control. Think about it:

For decades, centuries perhaps, we've deferred to "the experts" when there are things we don't know. We've trusted that they were unbiased and truthful, even if wrong. But something happened. Right as they were capturing the institutions where "the experts" reside and are created, information access via the internet blew sky high. Now, we could learn the things experts were working with, we could review their work instead of just taking their word. They could be fact checked and their methods scrutinized. So instead of THEIR "experts" (think Kimberle Crenshaw or Ibram X Kendi) being taken at face value, we have the ability to actually dissect and dismantle their bullshit. It removed the power of "the expert" being this unquestionable authority. THEY NEED authority. Their agendas don't have the popularity to be implemented without it. So anything that scrutinizes and dismantles their "authority" (debate, free flow of ideas) is detrimental to their power grab. They are using the SAME playbook to socialism and communism as was used in places like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. It's the same approach of "never question the experts", and that approach can NEVER work as long as people are allowed to question authority and speak freely.

 

[Overly Serious]

I'm living for the day the political winds change and Null can sue Paypal and all the others for discrimination and lost income. I'd have been donating regularly every month for years if it weren't for the payment processors screwing with imposing their own version of censorship on me.

 

[SenutiSolidus]

I'm living for the day the political winds change and Null can sue Paypal and all the others for discrimination and lost income. I'd have been donating regularly every month for years if it weren't for the payment processors screwing with imposing their own version of censorship on me.

People keep saying this, that somehow the overtine window will shift and it'll all be straight conservative heaven, but I'm just not seeing it. There's not (usually) a reverse of what the left calls progress. The abortion thing was just such a hot button issue and the laws around it so nebulous they got that one back but I don't think "intolerance" will ever be in vogue in the US again.

 

[Helvetia]

swisscom has stopped marking kiwi farms as a malicious site, it wouldn't block you but you'd get a message through via email warning you that kiwi farms had been regularly reported. that's weirdly stopped now, even when i go direct to kf.net. i don't know if that means attitudes are changing at the company or what

 

[Hokuriku]

People keep saying this, that somehow the overtine window will shift and it'll all be straight conservative heaven, but I'm just not seeing it. There's not (usually) a reverse of what the left calls progress. The abortion thing was just such a hot button issue and the laws around it so nebulous they got that one back but I don't think "intolerance" will ever be in vogue in the US again.

The shift happens when the center can no longer hold and the society the Overton window is representing fragments

 

[zeezoo2]

People keep saying this, that somehow the overtine window will shift and it'll all be straight conservative heaven, but I'm just not seeing it. There's not (usually) a reverse of what the left calls progress. The abortion thing was just such a hot button issue and the laws around it so nebulous they got that one back but I don't think "intolerance" will ever be in vogue in the US again.

a conservative heaven would have about as much problem with wrongthink as the current one, the last thing you want is a conservative heaven.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

People keep saying this, that somehow the overtine window will shift and it'll all be straight conservative heaven, but I'm just not seeing it. There's not (usually) a reverse of what the left calls progress. The abortion thing was just such a hot button issue and the laws around it so nebulous they got that one back but I don't think "intolerance" will ever be in vogue in the US again.

things change in time. sooner or later a new fad will show up and all that power troons have will die out. it always does history tells us that much and with how much of an annoyance troons and their supporters are becoming to the average person i imagine that shift will happen sooner rather than later.

 

[Hepativore]

People keep saying this, that somehow the overtine window will shift and it'll all be straight conservative heaven, but I'm just not seeing it. There's not (usually) a reverse of what the left calls progress. The abortion thing was just such a hot button issue and the laws around it so nebulous they got that one back but I don't think "intolerance" will ever be in vogue in the US again.

a conservative heaven would have about as much problem with wrongthink as the current one, the last thing you want is a conservative heaven.

A shift into "conservative heaven" would mean a repeat of the "satanic panic" scares and religious fundamentalists trying to ban tabletop gaming like they did in the 1980's, or eliminate the celebration of Halloween. The only reason why the political right suddenly cares about censorship at the moment is because it is currently waning in cultural influence. However, these were the same people that were cheering on things like FISA and the Patriot Act that were passed when they were in power.

The point is that you have authoritarians in all shapes and sizes who are eager to get their hands on the internet and turn it into a web-wide version of Tumblr, or an omnipresent surveillance and data collection program, or one giant and neverending late-night television infomercial, or a nightmarish combination of all three.

When we are finally shut down for good, either by government or corporate fiat and dragged off to the Transphobe Gulag for reeducation and forcibly given HRT and surgery, we can at least say that that we went down in one giant YWNBAW of defiance.

 

[X Prime]

Except the fundies were actually right though.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

They claim free speech doesn't work because to them, a healthy society shouldn't have the ability to question the institutions they spent so long capturing in an effort to ensure they get total control. Think about it:

For decades, centuries perhaps, we've deferred to "the experts" when there are things we don't know. We've trusted that they were unbiased and truthful, even if wrong. But something happened. Right as they were capturing the institutions where "the experts" reside and are created, information access via the internet blew sky high. Now, we could learn the things experts were working with, we could review their work instead of just taking their word. They could be fact checked and their methods scrutinized. So instead of THEIR "experts" (think Kimberle Crenshaw or Ibram X Kendi) being taken at face value, we have the ability to actually dissect and dismantle their bullshit. It removed the power of "the expert" being this unquestionable authority. THEY NEED authority. Their agendas don't have the popularity to be implemented without it. So anything that scrutinizes and dismantles their "authority" (debate, free flow of ideas) is detrimental to their power grab. They are using the SAME playbook to socialism and communism as was used in places like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. It's the same approach of "never question the experts", and that approach can NEVER work as long as people are allowed to question authority and speak freely.

It goes back further, the original modern Western "free speech" debates were about the ability to question the authority of the Church and dispute the claims of its bureaucratic hierarchy. (Especially any criticism of corruption or hypocrisy, strange how that always happens...) In the case of troons I feel this is the more appropriate comparison even if they would like to enact violence at the far larger scale of those later regimes.

As John Stuart Mill pointed out in On Liberty the modern censor usually makes the same claim of infallibility (no matter how often they're wrong), omniscience (despite constantly revealing a lack of necessary knowledge) and omnipotence (even as they blame everyone else when their promises always fail) that the Church did.

 

[AIKA]

It's fucking insane how people will continuously try to ban KF from all providers yet these same providers and services (like CF) have no issue hosting actual illegal services and websites.

Thanks for fighting for us, Null. You have built something that makes dealing with slow speeds over TOR worth it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

It's fucking insane how people will continuously try to ban KF from all providers yet these same providers and services (like CF) have no issue hosting actual illegal services and websites.

Their argument used to be that they were neutral infrastructure, akin to roads. It's something they still try and trot out now when people point out that they're hosting or protecting criminal content, but the argument was blow out of the water the moment CF made the conscious decision to block stormfront. They're fucking nazis, sure, but even nazis get basic infrastructure, like water and power. Of course, the definition of nazi has subsequently been stretched out like too-small spandex shorts on a fat chick's arse, and is just as useless. Nevertheless, the excuse they use is that "nazis" and people like them are so worthy of oprobium that neutrality can no longer apply. Nazis don't deserve basic infrastructure. Don't ask us to define nazi, you nazi. You're banned now.

Anyway, that's what they like to pretend, still. They're "neutral", so they don't discriminate what content crosses their network (unless some late-night girltalk says otherwise).

 

[SenutiSolidus]

Their argument used to be that they were neutral infrastructure, akin to roads. It's something they still try and trot out now when people point out that they're hosting or protecting criminal content, but the argument was blow out of the water the moment CF made the conscious decision to block stormfront. They're fucking nazis, sure, but even nazis get basic infrastructure, like water and power. Of course, the definition of nazi has subsequently been stretched out like too-small spandex shorts on a fat chick's arse, and is just as useless. Nevertheless, the excuse they use is that "nazis" and people like them are so worthy of oprobium that neutrality can no longer apply. Nazis don't deserve basic infrastructure. Don't ask us to define nazi, you nazi. You're banned now.

Anyway, that's what they like to pretend, still. They're "neutral", so they don't discriminate what content crosses their network (unless some late-night girltalk says otherwise).

I don't even know why they need to couch it in all this nonsense though. We are bad for business. We disagree with the majority opinion on pretty much every issue. Can't they just say that we're bad for business?

when i say we disagree with the majority opinion what i really mean is the "good for business" opinion, support the gays, support the troons, racism is bad, etc etc.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

Except the fundies were actually right though.

Not at all.

Table top gaming didn't turn people into devil worshippers sacrificing babies, and neither heavy metal nor video games turned people into violent murderers.

 

[WhiteNight]

Their argument used to be that they were neutral infrastructure, akin to roads. It's something they still try and trot out now when people point out that they're hosting or protecting criminal content, but the argument was blow out of the water the moment CF made the conscious decision to block stormfront.

It was The Daily Stormer not Stormfront. stormfront.org is still protected by Cloudflare, although it is buried in search engines, and it struggled to find a host.

CF itself wrote a blog post comparing their service to the fire department, which should not refuse to "respond to fires in the homes of people who do not possess sufficient moral character", and to phone companies, who don't terminate your service because you say offensive things. A few days later, of course, they cucked out and cut off the Kiwi Farms despite everything they'd just written.

The other big site they cut off for political reasons was 8chan, because a shooter posted a manifesto there. It was quickly removed by the moderators, similar to the Farms' situation. I've never heard of Twitter or Facebook being shut down because an anonymous nobody posted a manifesto on it, but they just don't like 8chan. Its replacement 8kun.top went up after a while but never recovered its user base.