Off-Topic What is YOUR fundamental issue with troons outside of their batshittery.

[Lavender Moth]

The insistance that we be as fully invested in their charade as they are. And children. And the insistance that when a husband troons out that the wife must have always been a lesbian. Fuck that noise. I'm not a lesbian. I'm a transwidow you dickless pervert. I'll fight you until the day I die.

Oof, all my solidarity goes to you as I came to post pretty much exactly this, only I'm, ironically, a lesbian transwidow. Straight or gay, no one should ever have to pretend for these narccistic lunatics.

I didn't get the shit kicked outta me in the 00's for being openly gay just to turn around and pretend I'm actually straight with a "boyfriend" while my girlfriend transmogrifies herself into a greasy, malodorous ogress with wrong sex hormones.

 

[pursuitsnail]

A lot of them do have a bad case of "main character syndrome". When I see a troon rant about how bad other peoples "genital preferences" make them feel I can't help but feel like they just view other people as tools to realise their own self actualisation. idk if the lack of theory of mind is connected to the fact that many of them are autists. I have a touch of the 'tism myself, but I was still able to learn empathy. It never occurred to me to troon out so I wouldn't be expected to do that though.

There's also just a ton of mental illness that will also make it really hard for them to step outside of themselves enough to do things like consider other people as people and think about the future/consequences. We're talking about a population that's known for their mental health comorbidities, really bad coping mechanisms, histories of abuse, and drug use. They seem unable or unwilling to distinguish between reality and fantasy.

As someone who considers themselves left wing at least by Kiwifarms standards (admittedly that is a bit like being the worlds tallest midget) I find that twitter troon socialism is just so shallow. Sure they are far more radical than me at least as far as their surface level politics go. But it dissolves the moment a traditional left wing villain gives them the attention they want.

I'm pretty lefty and feminist by KF standards too, but it's not hard to see there's something alarmingly shallow about their socialism. It's not even surface level. It's just wishful thinking that once society is reordered in their preferred manner, that we will create a perfect queer paradise.

But digging sewers and picking up the trash isn't a labor of love. That's why we pay people to do it. People and organizations won't always (if ever) behave ethically or morally. That's why we use the power of the state to enforce norms that we codify into law. No amount of pot philosophy is going generate enough hot air to power the infrastructure that lets them make a living.

 

[Tau Tack]

I have never seen a single good reason by their own terms why I can't just have a fetish for cis women

As others have said, the Zoomers are so messed up about sex. They pathologise everything up to and including heterosexuality, tell everyone not to kink shame but get self-righteous about ‘genital fetishes’ (which is a contradiction in terms) and think that not being DTF 24/7 means you’re asexual. They’re mental.

 

[Alouatta Simia Belzebul]

There was very little he did that produced worthwhile science. Much of it was just worthless sadism, like what John Money did on a smaller scale. Now their rocket scientists were fucking awesome and we'd have had to be retarded not to take them. They were generally not ideological at all.

And if someone said that, I'd think they were ridiculous and would mock them.

The idea of the utter madness troons say not only being tolerated but enshrined as actual "science," with fake scientists promulgating it and real scientists having their careers ended for working on objective reality, cements them as fundamentally anti-reason authoritarians. And all such people deserve death.

Ideology-driven science will always be mostly worthless - soviets had their Lysenko, nazis had their Mengele. But I thought he - or nazi doctors in general - had some successes in their research into transplantology.

Quite a few of the original gender surgeons were later hired by the nazis to do their experiments. Erwin Gohrbrandt did the vaginoplasty, then womb transplant that killed Lili Elbe (the first ever attempted womb transplant), then joined the SS and became the lead surgeon in the frostbite experiments at Dachau. These surgeons were the same surgeons - the nazis burned their books as a publicity stunt to get the public to side with them against the weimar republic but were perfectly happy to hire them for their own ends.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Gohrbandt

 

[FinnSven]

As others have said, the Zoomers are so messed up about sex. They pathologise everything up to and including heterosexuality, tell everyone not to kink shame but get self-righteous about ‘genital fetishes’ (which is a contradiction in terms) and think that not being DTF 24/7 means you’re asexual. They’re mental.

This in my opinion stems from the far to easy access to pornography and explicit content.

The cats out of the bag now, so no point censoring of course.
What needs to change though is a better approach to putting love, relationships, sex and sexuality in context with regards to this kind of material so easy to obtain.

I am of the last generation to have first seen porn which was found in a hedge.
Sure page three of the Sun newspaper always had a pair of tits on it, but it was pretty harmless.

It probably was more harmful to make an issue out of it.
Back then, a bit of topless was naughty but considered different and more respectable than doing bottomless or actual fucking in front of a camera.
But now, with the widespread panic over seeing female nipples, it has pushed topless into pretty much the same perception as bottomless or fucking on camera.

With that, the collective consciousness of zoomers and the late millennials regarding sex seems to be over influenced by easily accessed hardcore.
Such things as “chicks with dicks” once a very specialized and niche porn market, has become easy to find, and into what this generation appears to consider “normal” sexual activity.

So in conclusion, the rise of the internet has had an unprecedented impact on social development and Troons are but one symptom.

 

[Alouatta Simia Belzebul]

Back then, a bit of topless was naughty but considered different and more respectable than doing bottomless or actual fucking in front of a camera.
But now, with the widespread panic over seeing female nipples, it has pushed topless into pretty much the same perception as bottomless or fucking on camera.

I mostly agree with you, but I wouldn't write off page 3 and the like that easily - they were the ones doing the countdowns to 16 year old's 'of age' birthday, when the average reader would have been a middle-aged man. But the fact that newspapers needed to be purchased did keep them generally away from kids, except for when the adults knowingly gave them to kids - or, if they found them in the woods.

Also, I think the nipples were always covered, by hands or a bra, so it's not that. I think the nipple hysteria has been an american import, who were always wound up by that more than the uk or certainly the rest of europe were - we have got to stop trying to americanise ourselves, it's fucking everything up. We kicked out the puritans for a reason.

There have been attempts to make 'feminist pornography' that focus on enjoyment, connection between the performers, etc, and they all fucking fail. So while I know prohibition isn't ever 100% successful it does at least force things back underground and out of easy reach - away from children. I think purely financial barriers now (like the tories' credit card suggestion) would be shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

 

[Super Guido]

The fucking Zoomies can't talk about procreative sex without calling it a breeding kink. It used to be just the AGP weirdos or mpreg writers that anyone would accuse of that.

Mpreg enthusiasts by themselves are already more commonly pooners than the average fangirl.

As FinnSven said, I think a lot of it is because of how easy to access porn is nowadays.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

I can't think of any single issue that falls outside of batshittery. It's all batshit. Even the OP's point arguably falls into batshittery.

 

[LaughJoke2.0]

3 things

1: Their rejection of science or more exactly their need for us to bend science to their will to appease their feelings. Steve wants to be Sally fine but don't act like you're the same as a true woman.

2: Their narcissism their feelings come above all others.

3: Using children as test studies and shields in their fuckery.

 

[Tau Tack]

Sure page three of the Sun newspaper always had a pair of tits on it, but it was pretty harmless.

Queen of the second wave herself, Germaine Greer, said that she thought things like Page 3 were cheerful fun. I tend to agree. Hard core pornography used to be seen as the reserve of dirty old men and the chronic masturbator was the butt of jokes.

I don’t think it’s just the Internet to blame, after all Millenials were the first generation to raise themselves via the Internet, and we’re all totally normal, though ease of access and the fast pace of it today seems to have induced a sort of societal attention deficit disorder.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

Their demands to sterilise autistic kids. Autism is hereditary and so they're practising eugenics. So we're going to have fewer spergs in the future.

That means no more autistic geniuses who lurk in sheds and obsessively work on their science projects and invented most of the technology we use today, so much less scientific progress; and no more autistic idiots who bring us so much entertainment on this site. I don't want to live in such a world.

 

[FinnSven]

I mostly agree with you, but I wouldn't write off page 3 and the like that easily - they were the ones doing the countdowns to 16 year old's 'of age' birthday, when the average reader would have been a middle-aged man. But the fact that newspapers needed to be purchased did keep them generally away from kids, except for when the adults knowingly gave them to kids - or, if they found them in the woods.

Also, I think the nipples were always covered, by hands or a bra, so it's not that. I think the nipple hysteria has been an american import, who were always wound up by that more than the uk or certainly the rest of europe were - we have got to stop trying to americanise ourselves, it's fucking everything up. We kicked out the puritans for a reason.

There have been attempts to make 'feminist pornography' that focus on enjoyment, connection between the performers, etc, and they all fucking fail. So while I know prohibition isn't ever 100% successful it does at least force things back underground and out of easy reach - away from children. I think purely financial barriers now (like the tories' credit card suggestion) would be shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

The Sun and the Sport’s page threes nearly always had their tits out and nipples exposed.
The mirror and the star usually had the girl being more “modest” but tits were not that big a deal then.

Yes I agree the creepy countdown to the age which they were legal was very sleazy, not that this made it better but it was in plain sight.

Financial barriers won’t work.

Plenty of people download the pictures and videos then put them up on other sites for free and accept ad revenue.
There will always be sites hosted elsewhere, Tor or vpn can easily navigate around restrictions and file sharing could just come back.

The major difference is that there is not the stigma anymore.

Previously, it wasn’t just reaching the age of 18, it was also to get anything other than a fairly soft tits and vadge mag, one had to go to a shady grubby porn shop.

This was also before the days of normalizing sex toys and such as well.

Fetish, porn and deviancy have all be shoved into the mainstream.

In the 70s at least, while swinging was said to be common, swinger parties definitely were behind closed doors and invitation only.

There was of course a crass and nasty element, but people into these things kept it private and it certainly wasn’t the case that swingers parties had a story time or kids corner.

Queen of the second wave herself, Germaine Greer, said that she thought things like Page 3 were cheerful fun. I tend to agree. Hard core pornography used to be seen as the reserve of dirty old men and the chronic masturbator was the butt of jokes.

I don’t think it’s just the Internet to blame, after all Millenials were the first generation to raise themselves via the Internet, and we’re all totally normal, though ease of access and the fast pace of it today seems to have induced a sort of societal attention deficit disorder.

I agree with most of your post but it is millennials who started this batshittery.

Your idea of normal is not the previous idea of normal, and as a late Gen Xer, I can tell!

There were some hints of increasing tolerance of troonery and the like in the 90s, but millennials were definitely behind the mid 2010s ideas of applauding gender identity.

 

[TheLastFart]

Lots of it goes against some of my fundamental values:
1. They want me to lie to their faces... i hate lying.
2. I consider myself progressive and have fought and argued with lots of people about gendered stereotypes and how tired i am of them and i think as a society we moved past a lot of them. And this whole backwards ass movement just brought these stereotypes back ten times worse in the last couple years.
3. And in the last year they convinced me that "gender affirming" care makes them more miserable. Beyond becoming obsessed with it, the mental and physical damage is tremendous.

 

[talk talk talk]

Hugh Hefner lost.

Larry Flynt won.

 

[AnOminous]

I didn't get the shit kicked outta me in the 00's for being openly gay just to turn around and pretend I'm actually straight with a "boyfriend" while my girlfriend transmogrifies herself into a greasy, malodorous ogress with wrong sex hormones.

Too bad the current generation didn't get toughened up and are thus giant weaklings. It's hard to imagine the previous generation of LGB putting up with this fucking bullshit.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Trannies were real smug about the White House flasher, "So are you saying she's a man, in which case there's nothing wrong with her being topless, or are you validating her gender identity by treating her like a woman? Checkmate, chuds!"

If an actual woman with fake tits got topless at the whitehouse, the same people would say it's inappropriate without "validating" the silicone. If a man held up a drawing of tits, the same people would say it's inappropriate

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Their demands to sterilise autistic kids. Autism is hereditary and so they're practising eugenics. So we're going to have fewer spergs in the future.

That means no more autistic geniuses who lurk in sheds and obsessively work on their science projects and invented most of the technology we use today, so much less scientific progress; and no more autistic idiots who bring us so much entertainment on this site. I don't want to live in such a world.

I think about this sometimes and wonder if it's a deliberate and targeted eugenic campaign (someone up the chain wants autists gone) or merely opportunistic (someone up the chain just wants as many troons as possible, and autists are sitting ducks). Most of the folks we see on here aren't that far up the chain. They are middle managers at best, pushers and street preachers and salesmen. We still don't know with any certainty what the endgame is for their bosses' bosses.

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

Trannies were real smug about the White House flasher, "So are you saying she's a man, in which case there's nothing wrong with her being topless, or are you validating her gender identity by treating her like a woman? Checkmate, chuds!"

If an actual woman with fake tits got topless at the whitehouse, the same people would say it's inappropriate without "validating" the silicone. If a man held up a drawing of tits, the same people would say it's inappropriate

Their attempts at "logic gotchas" are always total fucking cringe.

If a man that wasn't even a troon suddenly took his shirt off and started rubbing his nips like a pervert, while being a guest at the Whitehouse, I'd say that was inappropriate too.

 

[𖦹Junkpop𖦹]

• Claiming they're transitioning to be their true selves while wasting thousands on cosmetic surgery. If these individuals were more forthcoming about their desire for cosmetic procedures and refrained from masking it as a necessity, I think it wouldn't be so eye-roll worthy.
• Acting as if conservatives are trying to groom kids by checking their genitals. Jeffery Marsh has spread this lie acting as if a physical is on the same level as child grooming. Physical examinations are a necessary procedure for students who engage in school sports. These exams are conducted to ensure the safety and health of all athletes, which includes a medical professional checking genitals. I have had physicals done and the doctor just checked real quick and that's it. Penis inspection day is not something they're trying to make a reality.
• Acting as if they are so oppressed while in a Western country. You are not in Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, or Egypt. No one is trying to hunt you down for being a cross-dresser, it's all in your head. People committing suicide is not the same as genocide, and the only way this argument would even work is if you're in a country where they suppress support of the LGBT+. Which so many of the people claiming this are not from. We must acknowledge that not everyone has the privilege of living in a society that values freedom of expression. You think you would being able to threaten feminists and transphobes with violence in actually oppressive countries?

 

[Lil Yappy]

My main problem with it is how this ideology has managed to capture pretty much every institution in the west and is even making inroads into non western cultures. It has become a sacred cow of our society. The worship of LGBT is teetering close to being idolatry. We must dismantle all of society to accommodate it. You are not allowed to question it. You are required to not only accept it but to celebrate it, consequences be damned.

We are at the point that an adult male on a cocktail of hormones feeding an infant some ungodly secretion from his "breasts" is something that you are not allowed to object to. And if you do object to it you can be banned, fired or even face legal consequences in some countries.

It's been forced on society from the top down. There's all kinds of extremely creepy aspects to it. I personally think it's an attempt at eugenics and human experimentation hiding behind progressivism but it's also a way to destroy family bonds and for unethical quacks to make a bunch of money off mentally ill people.

There have always been and probably always will be perverts, freaks and lunatics out there. What's different now is that they want us to believe this insanity is normal and that normalcy is insanity.