Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
It just came to me that if the night of 1200 rapes from germany in 2016 happened today a non insignificant ammount of the population would straight up cheer for the rapists. Really crazy to think how far society has drifted and even crazier to think how far its going to drift in the near future.
oh right
fuck me, that was seven years ago
 
my favorite ones are the complete denial of any such happenings and further mocking of the disenfranchised group
because nothing will happen
other than the massive upraise in crime we've already seen
the one where the people in charge decriminalized it to solve the issue of crime
hahahahahaha
Well that's a novel idea on how to deal with crime, just legalize the behavior that is considered to be "crime." You know, like rape, armed robbery, murder, etc. Then technically you will be crime free.
It just came to me that if the night of 1200 rapes from germany in 2016 happened today a non insignificant ammount of the population would straight up cheer for the rapists. Really crazy to think how far society has drifted and even crazier to think how far its going to drift in the near future.
It would be an Incelebration.

I will see myself out...
 
I find the concept of ‘dating’ like this a bit odd in itself. Putting two people who’ve never met in an awkward situation and expecting them to sound each other out enough to decide if they might form a permanent pair. That’s just odd. It must wear you down constantly doing that. Either constant rejection or constantly meeting people who are rubbish. It takes time to get to know people. This kind of thing just works on immediate physical attraction rather than getting to know someone and realising they’re a lovely person
It’s quite an American thing, or it was when I was younger. Here you just kind of knew people and if you liked them you might see if they fancied going out for a pint/film/coffee somewhere and take it from there, but this idea of meeting people out of nowhere and auditioning them seems odd to me. I’d hate it.
We’ve lost a lot of the places young people naturally got to know each other and realised they might like to take it further. Dating like this is just artificial and weird. If anything ever happened to mr. Otterly, God forbid, I’d probably just remain in a nunnery or something. I would have no idea how to meet anyone.
In golden days of yore you would marry a peasant girl you knew your whole life and was a neighbor.

Nowadays dudes say that she’s made her mind up whether or not she’ll ever fuck you in ten minutes (I doubt that one myself).
 
What I find sad about this all is genuinely nice and gentle men get associated with the male feminist predator.
Nice and gentle translates to being weak with woman. Women respond better to brutish and crass. Every once in a while, show them a more thoughtful and caring facet. It's a big, stupid, annoying game.

>article about 63% of men in a poll saying they've given up on dating, finding the juice isn't worth the squeeze
<cue 12 entire pages of people acting like these men are incels or can be convinced to give a fuck by posting dating advice here as if the poll was exclusively of the men of A&N, or even about difficulty in finding a date to even begin with

:story:

Show of hands how many of you actually read the damn thing?
Read the article? Why in the fuck would I do that? I'm here for the comments.

Hey, I'm firmly in the "juice ain't worth the squeeze" camp, though I'm admittedly no longer in the under-30 age bracket.
Me too. I've settled on cats. They provide sufficient companionship and best of all THEY DON"T TALK. A few months ago I lost my 17 year old cat to cancer. It really sucked. Then a few days later I found these guys.

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Anyone worth being with is already married to someone else, and all you have left is the walking sperm banks and substance abusers and single moms that nobody else wanted, if you get a chance with anyone at all.

Dating after 30 is an empty and desolate wasteland.
Eh, I did alright in my early 30s.

I work in a reasonably lucrative field, don't have consoomer manchild hobbies, and I've taken care of myself physically and don't have any baggage like kids or an ex-wife or anything. I really didn't have much trouble pulling 24-30 year old women on a regular basis.

Me too. I've settled on cats. They provide sufficient companionship and best of all THEY DON"T TALK. A few months ago I lost my 17 year old cat to cancer. It really sucked. Then a few days later I found these guys.
You know, I've never been much of a pet person. I'm allergic to cats and dogs seem like a lot of work. Most of my adult life has been coming to terms with the fact that I like just being left the fuck alone. The more time I spend alone, the better I feel. I don't get lonely and I don't get sad or depressed the way other people do - I really, really like it.
 
I was reading this on /pol/ last night, i really feel for younger people now.

Got nothing to strive for except debt and misery, probably 5 to 10% of the entire population of women in the world are gold diggers and have unrealistic expectations for partners. There's the equivalent for the blokes as well.

Throw in the fact that everyone is literally online all the time, the limited social interaction means everyones a fucking retard under a certain age bracket, and can't socialise in person.


I wouldn't even know how to find someone now a days if my partner died, and they are the same.
I was talking to this girl not too long ago, seemed to hit it off nicely initially. Couple days later during regular chats, she mentions she had an Onlyfans where her explicit images were posted and said the reason was because "she was in a bad place." No modesty at all these days.
 
Time to pour napalm on the trash fire. Dating is shit in your 30s.

It's come down to a Mexican standoff of who's hiding what about their real self while putting on an act and over-selling themselves while having high expectations but no accountability for their selves.

People do not take care of themselves but expect you to be a model. STOP BEING FAT. PICK UP A HEAVY THING. DO A JOG. STOP EATING SHIT. FIX YOUR HUNCH BACK.

Or, worse, people get intimidated if you take care of yourself and want you to put fat on for their own sake. Fuck. You're not getting "bulky" if you work out, you'd lose fat and fix your posture and stop your joints from popping. Bulking takes 10 hours of sleep a night and a good diet and actually pushing yourself much harder than just building strength, but it's not like people can actually look stuff up. For YEARS. But they Fucking Love Science™!

If I let it slip that I make good money it's as though their reaction is, more or less, "about time!" like they deserve a fucking patron. Fuck you, get your own money or make me want to spoil you by being nice to be around. I am not an ATM.

I don't drink. I haven't in a long time and never did in any great amount. After spending more time here the only drugs I touch are caffeine and even that's being scaled back. You often need to be a damn booze hound and need to tolerate other people binge drinking. Nobody, what so fucking ever, is attractive if they're drunk. Being drunk makes you disgusting and repulsive. The only reason men might be drawn to drunk women is vulnerability. Those men are repugnant, disgusting and repulsive.

Sex is often apparently more about making people feel wanted and get what they want. If they've had a bad ex so they're as vanilla as two Mormons having sex through a hole in the sheet, that's your fault, not theirs. Also, they get to say no, but if you dare say no, at least their melt down is amusing. Women cannot take rejection and this fact never ceases to amaze me. I do not dispense that either. If you're boring and look like you don't give a shit why should I care? You don't!

Women still cannot demonstrate any agency with choosing what to eat what so ever beyond not liking what you choose for them. This confuses me given how fat many of them are.

"The furry little shits (pets, not literal furries, fuck you internet for me having to specify this) and I are a package deal!" is a really shitty deal, sweetie, that's why nobody's taken it yet. Same with someone else's kids I don't want to put up with.

I should have married young in my 20s and focused on having kids and establishing a family, not this shitlibglobohomo hedonism treadmill where nobody's happy and always wants more until they realize the clock's ran out, their eggs are about to dry up, but they're entitled to the best chair available before the music stops even though they gave up on themselves a decade ago. Who the fuck are you to demand this much? Life isn't just a graceful on ramp to everything you want while you judge others for not having the "right opinions" you thoughtlessly bleat and repeat, but if so many people expect it it seems to come true through being enabled.

Meanwhile I have a challenging job, take care of myself, cultivate myself, and find myself wishing the long term relationship I had in my 20s had lasted so I could have had someone who aged like wine instead of the sour milk market everything seems to be. Instead my LTR turned into a hedonist degenerate who cheated on me and I had to move on. Fucking hell.

The only good dating to be had is to swoop on someone in their 20s who isn't yet ruined by their exes, or unrealistic expectations and the hedonism treadmill. Looks like I have to go to church in a red state.

Ninja Edit: The cherry on top? Nobody can carry a conversation anymore. Christ. I'm not Netflix.
 

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I wouldn't say it's just that 'men aren't growing up'. Or at least it's not men refusing to do so willingly. It's that the things that count as 'grown up' are out of reach of young men.

Property ownership? Out of hand
Career advancement? Even the trades require you to invest a good lump of cash to even start, and wages are kept down by immigration and outsourcing.
Even owning a fucking vehicles is being priced out of most young people.

What are men supposed to do to 'grow up'?
I understand completely that it's rough and fucked up. I'm a guy in that generation. The number one thing they can do is stop wallowing in self-pity. Nothing is more offputting, in general but ESPECIALLY to women, than pitying yourself. It's deeply pathetic, and also creates a self-reinforcing pathology that's hard to break out of. Constantly mulling over your own suffering and grievances is like rubbing salt in your own wounds.

We often think about 'growing up' as a sense of material milestones, but those really only make sense for the last generation or two. Multi-family households were a thing for centuries beforehand. The house also seems like a bizarre holdup to me - pretty much everyone I knew who owns a house bought it after getting married. Two incomes makes it much easier to chip away at a mortgage. If a woman demands that you own a house before marrying you she has inflated expectations and is probably a useless gold-digger.

While owning a car is necessary in most of America, it's a lot less expensive if you learn how to work on it and fix it yourself. It is absolutely mindboggling how often I see dudes taken for a ride - most mechanics are scumbags who will rip you off for thousands of dollars if you look like a mark to them. I've had garages quote me $1,400 - they lied to my face about the part price, inflating it by 300%, created a false sense of scarcity ('we need to order it quick, only two left'), and padded the man hours obscenely. I bought the part for $200 and fixed it in 2 hours with limited tools.

Career advancement is more difficult nowadays, but there are opportunities out there. I've mentored young men in my line of work, and it's not a six figure salary but you can earn a solid chunk of change. A lot of young people sadly don't have a lot of ambition - that has multifaceted causes. But that just means that if you do show some mettle you can stand out and work yourself up to a point where you can coast at a more comfortable pay rate.

I think it's more healthy to think about 'growing up' as not having those things, but developing the skills that are required for you to gain them. A rich spoiled brat whose daddy buys him a car, a house, and hooks him up with a sinecure isn't 'grown up' - in fact, he will never be grown up because he didn't earn any of it. To get a car, you need to cultivate some level of mechanical knowledge so you don't end up getting constantly ripped off whenever something breaks. To get a house, you need to learn how to budget and how to make basic repairs like caulking, painting, cleaning gutters, basic landscaping. To get a good job, you have to develop a healthy sleeping schedule, cultivate a skill that's in demand, and be diligent when you're on the clock. And the best way to get those skills is to build up community connections - that requires people to not wallow in 'extremely online' misanthropy and talk to their local boomers about the weather or sports, or go to church and make smalltalk, or join a local club.

Oh, and learn how to fucking cook. That goes for men and women. Listen to the wisdom of the great Minister Farrakhan:
It's really not that hard, your mostly illiterate ancestors have done it for thousands of years.
 
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Eh, I did alright in my early 30s.

I work in a reasonably lucrative field, don't have consoomer manchild hobbies, and I've taken care of myself physically and don't have any baggage like kids or an ex-wife or anything. I really didn't have much trouble pulling 24-30 year old women on a regular basis.
What? Are you telling me that my collection of lewd anime figurines with removable outfits won't be getting me laid??? Seriously though it depends on the person and what they're willing to overlook and put up with.

They expect us to put up with the fact that they've sucked every dick in the county and have multiple baby daddies, want to go drinking every weekend, weigh more than a herd of elephants after a night of binging at Old Country Buffet, and can't get a job that pays more than flipping burgers at McDonald's.

But you have to be a multimillionaire with twelve pack abs, own multiple vacation homes in Malibu or whatever, have an expensive car collection, and never disagree with them on anything ever, just to get your foot in the door.

Fuck that.
 
It isn't even a problem with young people, even 30+ women that are still "single" ask why you're not married yet or stil single, while deflecting the same questions you ask them fot still being single (mothers) trying to find someone.
 
But you have to be a multimillionaire with twelve pack abs, own multiple vacation homes in Malibu or whatever, have an expensive car collection, and never disagree with them on anything ever, just to get your foot in the door.

For you, yes.
Not so much for the scraggly stoned-out guy who still has to bum smokes and bus fare from friends and family.

Meanwhile, actual multimillionaires have their literal pick of women from their own social and economic circles -- places where 99.9% of your Tweetstergram OnlyThots and everyday basic bitches have zero hope in Hell of breaking into.

I seem to attract weirdos automatically. Even if I'm out on the street for a smoke they come up to me for a chat. My Father said my Mother had the same quality. She would bring a new friend home from work. The new friend sees theres a Playboy sitting on the coffee table and says "Why do you need that when you've got these to look at!" and lifts her shirt up.

I don't really believe in woo woo. But I'm starting to think I give off an aura.

Some people just attract offbeat. Or, Null forbid, gravitate towards offbeat. Some people just roll with it or embrace it, even.

Nice and gentle translates to being weak with woman. Women respond better to brutish and crass. Every once in a while, show them a more thoughtful and caring facet. It's a big, stupid, annoying game.

Not just brutish and crass, but just the right amount of brutishness and crassness without drifting into felony territory. Sucks for those who can't pull it off without falling flat on their faces or taking the act a bit too far.
 
I think it's more healthy to think about 'growing up' as not having those things, but developing the skills that are required for you to gain them. To get a car, you need to cultivate some level of mechanical knowledge so you don't end up getting constantly ripped off whenever something breaks. To get a house, you need to learn how to budget and how to make basic repairs like caulking, painting, cleaning gutters, basic landscaping. To get a good job, you have to develop a healthy sleeping schedule, cultivate a skill that's in demand, and be diligent when you're on the clock. And the best way to get those skills is to build up community connections - that requires people to not wallow in 'extremely online' misanthropy and talk to their local boomers about the weather or sports, or go to church and make smalltalk, or join a local club.
It astounds me how people look at me like I'm nuts when I tell them how much of my own work I do on my car and house. Growing up in a rural area it's not like you can get a plumber at 2AM when a pipe breaks, and you're certainly not going to call one when a faucet is a little drippy.

I'm similarly astounded at the people I meet who don't even know simple things like how the breakers turn things off when something goes wrong and where the water valves are for their house in an emergency(hint: worst case it's probably out at the water meter) And then anything at all about their car.

Of course none of these skills translate to success with women.
 
My cat agrees with my decision to become a catcel. My other cat also agrees.

It must wear you down constantly doing that.

Like you can't imagine. It wore me down to a nub, and that's when I threw in the towel.

Me too. I've settled on cats. They provide sufficient companionship and best of all THEY DON"T TALK. A few months ago I lost my 17 year old cat to cancer. It really sucked. Then a few days later I found these guys.

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They were fated to be your cats. Fate kittens!

Also, my cat talks, but only when he really wants something, and it isn't a human language, so its all good.
 
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It isn't even a problem with young people, even 30+ women that are still "single" ask why you're not married yet or stil single, while deflecting the same questions you ask them fot still being single (mothers) trying to find someone.
Who gives a shit what nosy single mothers think about your relationship status? If you're a functional adult male without kids you are objectively far, far more desirable to the opposite sex than they are.
 
The solution is a big fucking club. Your cavemen forefathers where better people than all of you.

The human race clearly has devolved if you dumb apes can't even breed anymore.
And better than you, too. Don't try to exempt yourself.
 
As a women all I have ever wanted has been a stable man who shares similar ideas, who I can have interesting conversation with and not have him get triggered because of his own resentment over a woman being smart. A man who will kill bugs and rodents, will protect me if I need it. My rule of thumb is if the thought of spending 2 days alone with a particular dude makes you want to commit seppuku then probably not a good idea to pursue it. Good sex is always a bonus.

Those are okey asks and are fair. Problem is just finding that with the views you agree with.

Quote the forums fucked up: I assure you it is. I live through it every day. Maybe its more traditional or older men (I married someone significantly older). Its almost like it emasculates him or something. Its not even that I expect him to say I am smarter, just acknowledge I may have some good ideas and I am not a utter moron. I guess we all end up settling for undesirable traits in the end.

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That sucks a bit, I know it isn't a good thing to say, but maybe try to research his hobbies to show your smarts.

If he likes cars, read up on cars and try to show you got it.

It is just me, and I am a retard on the autism farms, but since women LOVE talking, at least let her be smart and talk about interesting stuff, not Oprah or Tiktok like a 5 year old tard. But I am as oddball as they come.

No, I said sex as a PAYOUT is a problem. "Payout" implies a transaction. Men taking me out on dates and expecting sex as a return token of their investment, while not giving a shit about me as a human being, is fucked up.

Women are tired of being treated like this, so we've stepped up our game and we're weeding these guys out of the pool. I see our efforts are starting to work, good.
Why do men owe you anything? I don't owe you food and money as tribute. Fuck you and get eaten by your 3rd world pets.

Yes i wasted 5 hours of my day and money on you, I should get something out of it, even if it is just a refund.

The societal contract is broken.

Before jewpitalism and feminism, a man was owed fealty and loyalty for monetary support and protection, even dying for the woman if need be.

That is now broken. If you are my equal, I want to be treated as such. You pull half of the cart too, and if that's too bad, my waifu is prettier than you so you are shit out of luck. You don't get to have all the perks and none of the drawbacks.

I don't think this issue can be fixed. Maybe it shouldn't and the west earned its place beside the dodo.

I was reading this on /pol/ last night, i really feel for younger people now.

Got nothing to strive for except debt and misery, probably 5 to 10% of the entire population of women in the world are gold diggers and have unrealistic expectations for partners. There's the equivalent for the blokes as well.

Throw in the fact that everyone is literally online all the time, the limited social interaction means everyones a fucking retard under a certain age bracket, and can't socialise in person.


I wouldn't even know how to find someone now a days if my partner died, and they are the same.
Perhaps you shouldn't. Cherish your spouse's memory in that case, and hope you got friends to hang out with and aren't loney.
My cat agrees with my decision to become a catcel. My other cat also agrees.



Like you can't imagine. It wore me down to a nub, and that's when I threw in the towel.



They were fated to be your cats. Fate kittens!

Also, my cat talks, but only when he really wants something, and it isn't a human language, so its all good.
Your cats are adorable. I can't blame you for being a catlady/boy.
 
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