Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
All things aside, I think that's pretty funny.
At that stage, women are looking for the beta bux and they want to know what resources you have, what you are willing to commit to her, how much of your time and energy you're willing to sacrifice, etc...

Women that are moving out of the twenties whore stage are going to be even worse hypergamists than they were when they had trains run on them-it will all be about "what can you do for me?" "do you have enough money" "how much money are you going to let me spend a week" "can you afford private school if we have a kid".

Men who think that as they come into their own and didn't get female attention in their twenties will be very disappointed-either she still won't be interested or she'll settle and she'll demand you be her wage slave for the grace of you putting a ring on her finger.
 
Women in general have this large chip or inferiority complex often
Maybe I've just gotten lucky, but even among the women I've noticed this trait in, they tend to drop it in a hurry when you make it obvious you're confident in your own intelligence and competence and expect her to be as well. There's no longer anything to compete over when you're putting out the vibe "of COURSE you're an intelligent, able person whose opinions I'm interested in - I wouldn't be on a date with you if you weren't".

The vast majority of even superficially competitive, combative women still desperately want men who lead and set the tone of the relationship deep down in their lizard brain.
 
Maybe I've just gotten lucky, but even among the women I've noticed this trait in, they tend to drop it in a hurry when you make it obvious you're confident in your own intelligence and competence and expect her to be as well. There's no longer anything to compete over when you're putting out the vibe "of COURSE you're an intelligent, able person whose opinions I'm interested in - I wouldn't be on a date with you if you weren't".

The vast majority of even superficially competitive, combative women still desperately want men who lead and set the tone of the relationship deep down in their lizard brain.
True, but I'm talking about women in a general setting and within interaction to other men, if I was on a date and woman was like that I'd drop her like hot cakes, and the women who I do get involved with drop the animosity when I go silent when they try to argue against or with me. They learn fast I won't deal with a argumentative and drama causing ladies and am quick to lose interest in those who do.
 
Depends on the person. Some require emotional intimacy for sex, some think of sex as a recreational activity. I've dated both types of girls. One I was dating for two weeks before she felt comfortable to say it's time to try it. Another girl jumped on me as soon as I came over to her house.

Same experience I've had.
 
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I'm definitely sure "smart woman" just means they went to college and came out a loyal leftist.
I work with several female engineers with masters and doctorates and many of them are very fragile when it comes to asking any questions about what they specialize in. You’re supposed to just assume they are the expert in whatever they specialize in, otherwise they’ll get anxiety and ask to take a mental health day. Asking to double check some obviously wrong calculations they did or rewrite a sloppy memo they put together? They’ll be gone the rest of the week. It’s hard not to be jaded about “smart women” which basically means they feel they are untouchable. Give me someone who actually wants to learn instead of feeling they know everything by the time they’re 25.
 
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do you legitimately think the government gives everyone and its agencies the funds it says they will receive?
do you think they instituted child support because it benefits its citizens?
Do you legitimately think the government pays child support? Do you understand the topic? The topic is money paid from one parent to another for the support of their child. The government is not involved.
 
Maybe I've just gotten lucky, but even among the women I've noticed this trait in, they tend to drop it in a hurry when you make it obvious you're confident in your own intelligence and competence and expect her to be as well. There's no longer anything to compete over when you're putting out the vibe "of COURSE you're an intelligent, able person whose opinions I'm interested in - I wouldn't be on a date with you if you weren't".

The vast majority of even superficially competitive, combative women still desperately want men who lead and set the tone of the relationship deep down in their lizard brain.

I was always tickled when the incels used autism-analysis and start articulating "shit-tests" and people got mad because they were right, didn't say it in the permitted ways, and of course aren't allowed to criticize since they're low status.

If anyone says out loud how transactional most people are or that people treat others as resources, you better personally attack the person taking the risk to do so and point out they're nerds instead of facing up to your behavior! Fucking Hell.

Young people playing the field, whatever. Immature people in general, or "my crotch tickles" teenagers? Whatever. When people are over 25 and act like this it's grating and the thought of turning one of these fucks into a spouse is honestly terrifying. Thank fucking god nature, to some degree, kicks in if they have a kid, though it doesn't extend very far.

Fat dumpy stupid parents, who clearly indicate they gave up, with small kids, who still have hope in their eyes, brightness in their faces, and who aren't yet as fucked up as their parents are always one of the most quietly enraging sights I see. Knowing most potential spouses are like that is extremely discouraging. I don't want to raise children with my other half being a fat dipshit who gave up. Either put out and set a good example, or fuck off.
 
I work with several female engineers with masters and doctorates and many of them are very fragile when it comes to asking any questions about what they specialize in. You’re supposed to just assume they are the expert in whatever they specialize in, otherwise they’ll get anxiety and ask to take a mental health day. Asking to double check some obviously wrong calculations they did or rewrite a sloppy memo they put together? They’ll be gone the rest of the week. It’s hard not to be jaded about “smart women” which basically means they feel they are untouchable. Give me someone who actually wants to learn instead of feeling they know everything by the time they’re 25.
I think that's common among people with advanced degrees generally. One of the reasons many get those degrees is to prove just how gosh darn smart and beyond reproach and criticism they are.

I've always thought competence in a field is something you prove by exhibiting competence day after day, not by owning a piece of paper saying you attended enough classes.
 
I think that's common among people with advanced degrees generally. One of the reasons many get those degrees is to prove just how gosh darn smart and beyond reproach and criticism they are.

I've always thought competence in a field is something you prove by exhibiting competence day after day, not by owning a piece of paper saying you attended enough classes.

Nothing pisses that kind of person off more than looking past their credentials and finding the limits of their actual knowledge. Holy fucking lol.
 
Some of the dumbest people I have ever met had PhDs, JDs, or went to an Ivy League school.
Nothing pisses that kind of person off more than looking past their credentials and finding the limits of their actual knowledge. Holy fucking lol.

Don't many degrees merely reward the ability to internalize rote memorization? I've seen many people on here saying "The Professor hated me because of what I said in class, but they had to pass me because in the paper I told them what they wanted to hear."
 
i did not know that
A hint for the future: If you see a significant gap in someone's posting history starting May 5, 2023 that doesn't end until sneed.today came online and widely known (so about July), it's because the user was too stupid to figure out Tor and are not worth your time to "debate" with.

For the love of God, old men like Jet Fuel Johnny and JosephStalin figured out Tor.

EDIT: Corrected the username of one of our esteemed elder Kiwis.
 
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