Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Jannies might have deleted it.

But this post by @Megaton Punch about the Ghosts of Bakhmut will live on forever.

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Say, that's quite a coincidence. Russian airstrike takes out non-descript SBU building, suddenly followed by:

Four Australian officers "killed in a military helicopter crash with no hope of locating survivors."

US Army general "killed in single plane crash."
https://archive.ph/IR8jN

Man, those NATO officers need to be more careful with air travel.

Damn what a crazy coincidence I am sure those events are in no way linked.
 
Damn what a crazy coincidence I am sure those events are in no way linked.
Yeah, helicopter crashes resulting in dead NATO officers have been rather common last year. Wonder why. Is it climate change, bros?



Edit: Hey bros, speaking of missing generals, what ever happened to Trevor Cadieu? Did he ever make it back to Canada?
 
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Say, that's quite a coincidence. Russian airstrike takes out non-descript SBU building, suddenly followed by:

Four Australian officers "killed in a military helicopter crash with no hope of locating survivors."

US Army general "killed in single plane crash."
https://archive.ph/IR8jN

Man, those NATO officers need to be more careful with air travel.
I wonder how many more anonymous stars are going to go up on the board in Langley or MI6 headquarters before this is all over.
 
While it sounds like cope i could say for certainty that china might backstab russia only if siberian tundra properly melts which leaves a lot of very fertile land for grain production. And even then it would be done sneakily with resettlement of their people and secret police colonial stations in those places like they do now in various countries. But then again by that time china might have half of its current population and a regime change that is overdue if we follow the historical trends of the past 2000 years where the ccp is succeeded by a less oppressive and more trade friendly dinasty who is only interested in keeping the peace and accuring currency
 
I've been hearing "China is tired of Russia's shit and is about to betray and leave it on it's own" talks since the March 2022, so all of it just sounds like cope at this point.
It's all just sensational clickbait. We have to firstly question how would America fight a war against China? It would be primarily a naval affair with potential fronts in Taiwan and maybe Korea. This is assuming Russia would not get involved, the conflict as such would be primarily naval. It would be near impossible for a land invasion to be launched against either China and America and it would be a practically unwinnable affair for either side and would be determined by how much one can damage the others economy. China's agenda is thus to help secure resources and maintain significant trade influence so that they can maintain a global position in the event of conflict. Practically everyone would acknowledge US international naval supremacy but the navy isn't everything.

The Russian dilemma is one primarily based around these variables:
  • The ability to use Russia as a means to trade with Europe.
  • Is Russia beneficial for their African policy?
  • To what extent does the war in Ukraine damage the western opposition to China?
  • How much can China influence Russia?

The ability to trade with Europe is not important if Europe is an ally of the US, thus China's policy has to firstly assure they can have positive relations with Europe that supersede that of their relations with the US. They've been partially trying to befriend Europe but the US still maintains significant influence. Russia's war in Ukraine is irrelevant UNTIL Europe would prefer China to Russia. At this point, the question then becomes how effective of a route to Europe will Russia be?

Likewise, in many ways Russia and China have a similar agenda in Africa, Wagner whether you like them or not is a useful tool in Africa concurrently for Russia. If both Russian hard power and Chinese soft power work in a combined grand strategy then that is useful for China. With Niger for example, this is a country that France had significant interest in and was a geopolitical loss for France with it also weaking their sphere of influence over West Africa. If this collapses then the continent could then be brought under further Russian and Chinese influence.

Ammunition used by the navy is different to that used by the army, other industrial factors need to be understood in how precisely a war between America and China would be fought. Missiles will be important because of the duration needed for ships to be constructed with this being more desirable for China which as a country will be more boxed in as at the imminent outbreak of war they'll likely be up against part of the US and Royal Navy, the Australian Navy. South Korea and Japan will also be of the main bulwarks. Russia again isn't really that important. There are only few areas that may be directly relevant such as that of ammunition that can be used at range to be able to target ships or China proper. This is primarily why the west has sent older weapons instead of decommissioning them as they are not relevant in a war against China. Those weapon systems were primarily envisioned to be used against Russia in the cold war which from a doctrinal stance it means they are more likely envisioned to be tailored towards fighting Russia.

A weakened Russia with the ability to project power is the best result for China. By all metrics, War is typically bad for countries and China is aware of this and they can use this to get further access to Russian resources. China doesn't need to conquer Siberia to exploit Siberia, all they need to do is to groom Russia. Russia of course isn't naturally going to capitulate to China but if this viewed as beneficial to China then they'll begrudgingly accept it. By cutting off Russia from the liberal international order, what the west did is pushed them to China and we've seen this from developments of gas pipelines to China. They have a common agenda of working towards a multipolar world and they'll likely continue to work together in this role given other alignments.

So no, China is not going to "betray" Russia as from a rational point of view it is not in their best interests. Russia retains resources and influence abroad which is useful for China; Countries are rational creatures that aim to make choices in an anarchic international world. Countries make friends based around their policy agendas. China understands that it needs friends and has been gathering them. A Taiwan war won't include Russia directly and the Ukraine war doesn't include China.
 
Edit: one tank vs one ukrops column kino, subtitled
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Did... Did that mad lad just 1v8 in a T-80? And came out unscathed??? That is one hell of a driver, and one hell of a retard column. They didn't even disperse themselves so they don't get killed by one kaboom. 3 vehicles dead at once. The rest then died to mines and I would assume either ground troops or T-80. I thought the ability to 1v8 in War Thunder ground is unrealistic, but the hohols proved me wrong. I don't know if I should be impressed or despair. Jesus Christ.

Coming in with hot Vidya:

Ukraine finally managed to break through to the first line of Russian defense in Zappy oblast. Well, actually, one tank survived the Russian artillery onslaught and ran in the wrong direction but hey, closest thing so far. Followed up by trying to go full dirt/BMX bike into a tank trap. Went about as expected :
Eta: Note the dragon's teeth in the foreground of the drone video


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Remember the Cope Cage meme from last year people made about Russian tanks having a baby cage? Doesn't age well, does it? Now Ukraine needs BOTH Cope Cage and Semen Cement to stand a chance against the Orkzzz.

I was anticipating to see how well a modern tank fare against dragon teeth, but fucking retard was defeated by a trick that is as old as time: Hole. How can one be so bad that you lost a tank to a hole you can see kilometres away? Did they think they could vault over the ditch if they go max speed even though their tank is not red? I'm lost of words.
 
Did that mad lad just 1v8 in a T-80? And came out unscathed??? That is one hell of a driver, and one hell of a retard column.
Yep, and the Ukrops haven't stopped seething.

"Los ucraninos son peores que los rusos"; сука блядь, its universal. We warned you, bros.



If you want people to support you maybe stop the Eternal Hohol shtick and appreciate people are risking their lives for you.
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I've been hearing "China is tired of Russia's shit and is about to betray and leave it on it's own" talks since the March 2022, so all of it just sounds like cope at this point.
That's been China Uncensored entire content: China's going to collapse any minute now! Well, when it's been years and it hasn't happened yet, I have doubts to those reports. Like Doomcock, I doubt they actually have insiders. What they do point to as problems can definitely be confirmed as US problems. Demographic crisis? Boomers are 70+ on average. People lying flat? Quiet quitting and corporate culture being absolutely toxic. Housing crisis? Houses can cost $1 million. One child policy? Feminism has created the no child policy. American conservatives have all kinds of weaknesses, but their hate-boner for China is the one that is of their own doing and of dubious reality. China isn't the source of American problems, it's American culture and American policies that give trouble to the US.
 
I am sure that the Chinks will stop being friends with Russia the moment the US isn't a threat to the world that it is today.

So give it a decade or two.

Yeah I was gonna say the same thing, the real reason why these two superpowers are really co-operating is because of their combined rivalry with the US, as soon as the US is either kicked down or isolates itself, that unifying force is gone, China and Russia's interests will start to conflict and this can be an easy path to a rivalry between the two (I'd still be on the side of Russia because communists aren't human).

I do want to believe in a multi-polar world as much as the next guy, but I listen to all the smooth-talk from the Chinese side and it still stinks of diplomatic bullshit, the same sort of smooth-talk associated with the debt and trap- cough, sorry, belt and road initiative stuff, also the Chinese state would have a lot to benefit from making Russia their bitch, so I'd bet my bollocks to a barn dance they would try it.

And looking back at history for any doubters, when China and the Soviet Union were the same ideology and had the same goals and the same rivalries, the Sino-Soviet split still happened, so take from that what you will.
 
That's been China Uncensored entire content: China's going to collapse any minute now! Well, when it's been years and it hasn't happened yet, I have doubts to those reports. Like Doomcock, I doubt they actually have insiders. What they do point to as problems can definitely be confirmed as US problems. Demographic crisis? Boomers are 70+ on average. People lying flat? Quiet quitting and corporate culture being absolutely toxic. Housing crisis? Houses can cost $1 million. One child policy? Feminism has created the no child policy. American conservatives have all kinds of weaknesses, but their hate-boner for China is the one that is of their own doing and of dubious reality. China isn't the source of American problems, it's American culture and American policies that give trouble to the US.
The housing bubble is probably the biggest cope. China does have a housing bubble that will eventually burst, but there’s this odd assumption in the US that it’s going to be like the subprime mortgage crisis was in the US. The problem with that reasoning though is that the bubbles have completely different underlying causes.

The US housing bubble was primarily caused by banks giving out mortgages that people had no way to actually pay. You had niggers that worked at burger kang getting mortgages for million-dollar homes and of course they couldn’t actually pay. Eventually a large number of people started defaulting at once and moving into cuck shed apartments which caused home values to plummet as there were millions of homes on the market with no buyers for them.

The Chinese housing bubble is fundamentally different because lending has very little to do with it. The Chinese bubble is being caused by government subsidies to build homes with the intent of lowering housing values and thus lowering the cost of living. However, the Chinese government has done a horrible job of ensuring two things. Firstly, they haven’t been making sure to cut the subsidy off when there’s just too many houses in an area for the market to support, and secondly, they’re not actually checking to make sure the construction companies are building homes with the intent to sell/rent them. The second part has led to a lot of literally unlivable houses being on the market because the construction companies cut so many corners trying to keep their overhead for each house under what they’re getting in subsidies.

When the Chinese bubble bursts, there’s going to be a lot of instability in housing values in China, but because the financial sector has very little involvement with the bubble, it’s unlikely you’ll see wide spread ripple effects like what was seen in the US market.



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It’s also highly likely there’s another US housing bubble bust coming. A huge chunk of baby boomers either have reverse mortgages or have taken out loans against their homes. Normally the banks wouldn’t lose if they die off since they’d get the properties. The problem is that baby boomers are going to start to die off fairly rapidly and when they do, you’re going to have a huge supply of houses with no buyers. Especially since a lot of baby boomers have homes in areas working age people literally can’t afford to live in because there’s no jobs in those areas. This means the values of those homes are going to go way down, and most of those loans and reverse mortgages will be a net loss for the banks.
 
There was a video of a russian tank taking out 2 hohol tanks and 8 lesser armored vehicles.

Do we know what types? If it was all old soviet stuff, or 2 leopards and 8 bradleys or other wunderwuffens?
The Ukrainian column was a pair of T-64BV's, with the other vehicles appearing to be MaxxPro MRAP's. So no, not exactly wunderwaffen material.
Did... Did that mad lad just 1v8 in a T-80? And came out unscathed??? That is one hell of a driver, and one hell of a retard column. They didn't even disperse themselves so they don't get killed by one kaboom. 3 vehicles dead at once. The rest then died to mines and I would assume either ground troops or T-80. I thought the ability to 1v8 in War Thunder ground is unrealistic, but the hohols proved me wrong. I don't know if I should be impressed or despair. Jesus Christ.
As @Meh123 pointed out earlier, RedEffect already put out a video going into a deeper analysis of this battle, and it doesn't look like the T-80 took them on completely all by itself.
Still, it is pretty intense footage, and it's amazing how fast that T-80 is moving since you'd think it'd be slowed by the crewmembers' massive brass balls.
 
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And looking back at history for any doubters, when China and the Soviet Union were the same ideology and had the same goals and the same rivalries, the Sino-Soviet split still happened, so take from that what you will.
Split has happened because Mao was Stalin's aka Dzhugashvili's fanboy. In 1953, Mao sent a letter to USSR leadership and got told to buzz off. Or a gist of it. I could be wrong, though
 
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