Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
i dont know if this is just because of my area or what but one of the biggest issues i have found when dating is that it feels like more and more women are having kids super young and then something happens and they become single parents and its at this point now where 9 times out of 10 any woman you talk to that even makes an attempt at trying happens to have a kid and its very off putting.

it just feels like young women are getting involved with guys that are very obviously taking advantage of them and the second a kid comes into the picture they get left alone and are cast back into dating but as a single mother who while still young still has the responsibility of raising a kid all because they felt the need to fuck around with some dude they met at a bar or whatever.

i blame the culture nowadays if anything but i am not surprised to see reports like this one and others talking about how hard it is for young men to date especially when half the dating pool has some extra baggage you may not be ready for and the other half is either overly demanding or some type of sjw type who want a guy they can beat down so they can brag about it to their friends. like how anisa treats idubbbz
 
i dont know if this is just because of my area or what but one of the biggest issues i have found when dating is that it feels like more and more women are having kids super young and then something happens and they become single parents and its at this point now where 9 times out of 10 any woman you talk to that even makes an attempt at trying happens to have a kid and its very off putting.
This is definitely one modality, I have seen this too. Seemingly normal, cute girls in their 20's who.... have a kid, often multiple kids, and are now desperately on dating apps or whatever (good luck with that). When I was growing up teen preggos were on the way out, even in my shithole town, so I dunno what happened there. It's impossible to know what's causing the relationships to fail without empirical data collection, literally asking both partners what went wrong. I'd be interested in hearing anecdotes myself, but remember that if you only hear one side of the story you can't claim to know anything.

Another modality is the eternal couple. People are in committed relationships for YEARS and fail to have kids. I have no idea what they are even doing. If you're over the age of 25 and in a serious (functional) relationship, you may as well just shitcan it immediately if you're not gonna have a kid like, yesterday.
 
I thought this was interesting
"We are increasingly not only failing at doing that, but punishing young men for developing the virtues of ambition and even sexual desire, for that matter."
And you can see that demonstrated clearly in that thread. Sex is an unseemly, barely-tolerated motivation for pairing up - icky, carnal men should want the good, sweet, flowery, virtuous aspects of romantic relationships like women.

"Hey, how come the birth rate is in the toilet and men are checking out of both relationships and productive society more generally?
 
This terrifies me for sure. I guess my question is, where do we go from here? How do we improve/repair gender relations?
:story:

The actual, honest answer is twofold: first, we don't.

Second, we can't.
It feels like over the last couple years, women have been trying to raise the dating standard,
It feels to me like men are lashing out
I want what's good for society, I want men to choose pro-social behaviors
One of the reasons is that we have too many men who place the majority of blame on women, and too many women like you apparently who put the majority of the blame on men. As if the two groups are some kind of monolith that can be shifted or argued with to come to a settlement rather than an inconceivably kaleidoscopic panoply of individuals with their own hangups, issues, etc.

There's also the issue that even if someone were to want "a way back" the question arises, "to what"? The 1990's? The 80's? That shit isn't coming back as you can't mind-wipe the populace male or female to forget people who've contributed culturally to their warped perspective of gender relations. You also, relevantly, can't turn back the clock to those time periods economically. We're stuck right now in a situation in which many can comfortably live with their basic needs met, including sex via porn and for some people devices on top of that, and as such can either tune out entirely or try to engage with romantic pursuits just long enough to recognize the problems in that sector of society but not long enough to want to try and "fix" them as they can disengage with no downsides and an arguable monetary benefit.

The gender wars politicking has also poisoned the well so thoroughly that any reconciliatory attempts at a "way forward" at best come off as disingenuous to either "side", or are in fact outright slanted against the target gender of the person putting it forward.

And any top-down attempts to corral such a societal problem will likely end in the same way that many other social engineering action of the 20th and 21st century have ended so far - in failure of some degree ranging from not solving the problem to making entirely new fucking problems that themselves have no easy answers. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned increased incentives for marriage of a monetary variety like tax cuts. Imagine the clusterfuck nightmare for society that would ensue, and the damage done that would likely be irreparable, if you had tens of thousands if not millions of people get married and procreate for the purpose of tax cuts. How many broken homes that would end up in, from couples that in a time before such an action wouldn't have wed but decided to go for it anyway to have an easier time with money? Which would then, itself, spawn a large segment of that generation in which it took place who would be cynical, embittered, and opposed to the idea of marriage if not romantic pursuits overall? It'd just be perpetuating the problem for a very short term unrealized gain in the population count.

I've said it before elsewhere on this section of the site but I just see it as a natural part of the end state of an empire, or powerful/wealthy/successful nation. When your read something like this then consider all of the stages - doing it in decades helps - of societal manipulation, negative cultural influence and poor decisions culturally made by the populace, and whatnot that it took to get to this point it really seems like it wasn't really avoidable barring some major event in history having had an extremely different outcome, like the U.S. not having joined WW1, or our government not taking us off of the gold standard.

And perhaps it just isn't avoidable. I get that people fucking detest hearing or reading that but it's worth consideration. Just like it's worth considering that perhaps the only way to fix this issue, or at least the least damaging path to take on it, is to not attempt to "fix" it.
 
The actual, honest answer is twofold: first, we don't.

Second, we can't.
Even if the problem could be solved (and I tend to agree that it can't), it's already far too late for basically anyone who's alive right now. These are multi-generational social trends that were well underway by the first World War and it will take at least as long to fix, even if such a fix is possible.
 
This is definitely one modality, I have seen this too. Seemingly normal, cute girls in their 20's who.... have a kid, often multiple kids, and are now desperately on dating apps or whatever (good luck with that).

I've talked to a few single mothers in their early 30's and the impression I got from them is the guy they were with was a hot asshole, which they percieved at the time as an alpha. They attempted to lock him down with a family in their early 20's. But due to hypergamy, there's no incentive for the hot asshole to stick around, there's unlimited teens and 20 somethings throwing themselves at him. Even now the single mom complains to me the father of their kids is in their 30's now and still pumping and dumping teens and 20 somethings. Who are probably attempting the same thing she did at 20. Attempting to lock down what they perceive as a top tier guy.
 
You are a motherfucking retard. Especially if you think Japan is a poor third word country. Lol, lmao even.

Guess have luck with Doctor Nickocado from Brazil and his doctorate in ass enlargement, though I remain doubtful your posterior requires any more blubber.
Foreign Doctors make bank here. I know of a few.

My bet is, you'll be seeing more and more of them.
 
I've talked to a few single mothers in their early 30's and the impression I got from them is the guy they were with was a hot asshole, which they percieved at the time as an alpha. They attempted to lock him down with a family in their early 20's. But due to hypergamy, there's no incentive for the hot asshole to stick around, there's unlimited teens and 20 somethings throwing themselves at him. Even now the single mom complains to me the father of their kids is in their 30's now and still pumping and dumping teens and 20 somethings. Who are probably attempting the same thing she did at 20. Attempting to lock down what they perceive as a top tier guy.
So is that guy paying child support on all those kids or what?
 
For any zoomers reading this: do not believe in the "its easier for men in your 30s" meme.
It's easier in your early 30s because you're out of school, you're making money, and you haven't completely lost your looks. You will have your pick of recent divorcées and obese girls in their 20s with personality disorders. Maybe that's not better, but it's easier.
 
And you can see that demonstrated clearly in that thread. Sex is an unseemly, barely-tolerated motivation for pairing up - icky, carnal men should want the good, sweet, flowery, virtuous aspects of romantic relationships like women.
No, it's about manning up and fulfilling your masculine vocation by siring children within marriage as has been done for all previous generations instead of living in a perpetual adolescence of hedonism and one-night stands.
 
From the female perspective, I would argue that we encourage pro-social behavior by discouraging anti-social behavior. As an example, IMO, when men fuck women and then dispose of them like objects & abandon their families, that is anti-social behavior. Individual men might benefit from this strategy (via propagating their genes etc.) but when you look at the bigger picture, it harms society when you damage women and create fatherless children. So it behooves women who are family-oriented to screen for indicators of male promiscuity, and eliminate those males from their dating pool. This is where "interview-style" dating comes in. We're eliminating men who lack loyalty/generosity/patience, and reward the men who DO possess those qualities, by creating families with them (risking our lives in the process). We're trying to select for GOOD genetics/qualities. We're trying to improve society.

But men hate this???

It feels like over the last couple years, women have been trying to raise the dating standard, and men have responded by... kicking & screaming & mentally checking out of dating... so why is this??
Because Women are raising their standards while telling Men to lower theirs.

Men are supposed to "settle" for women who didn't Filter "Anti-Social" men out and now have children by those men.
 
No, it's about manning up and fulfilling your masculine vocation by siring children within marriage as has been done for all previous generations instead of living in a perpetual adolescence of hedonism and one-night stands.
Totally, billions of young men just decided to stop "manning up" all across the world one day for no reason at all.
 
So is that guy paying child support on all those kids or what?

She tells me he sends them money whenever the kids want some item in a videogame. Other than that, nothing.

No, it's about manning up and fulfilling your masculine vocation by siring children within marriage as has been done for all previous generations instead of living in a perpetual adolescence of hedonism and one-night stands.

What incentive is there for Men from society or media for Men not to be either manchildren or fuckboys?
 
She tells me he sends them money whenever the kids want some item in a videogame. Other than that, nothing.
And she wont go to the courts? why?
No, it's about manning up and fulfilling your masculine vocation by siring children within marriage as has been done for all previous generations instead of living in a perpetual adolescence of hedonism and one-night stands.
Why would any guy getting girls dropping at his feet stop?.

How about the women tell him to fuck off instead?.
 
And she wont go to the courts? why?

She wakes up makes the lunches, gets the kids up ready for school, then gets home does the washing, cleans the house, organizes doctors appointsments, does the shopping, then picks up the kids, then makes dinner, then gets the kids to bed, then goes to sleep. She doesn't have any friends or relatives to watch the kids.

I asked her if she watches anything on Netflix, and she says she doesn't have time. She says these days she's exhausted.
 
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