[Resolved] Lolcow LLC needs a registered agent and is currently defunct - Update 14-Aug-23: We are now a WV LLC.

[DavidS877]

Just because I’m curious, what’s the legality of publicly posting unedited voicemail messages you’ve received online, LibsofTikTok style?

Presumably even in 2 party states you know that when you talk to a voicemail system that you're being recorded so you couldn't complain if that was released to the public.

 

[CoolFool]

The problem is Al over at Big Al's storage and office space may sign a lease with Lolcow LLC and then immediately start getting death threats at 3 AM on his personal cell phone and cancel the lease. The other issue is a registered agent has to self dox themselves on a publicly searchable database with their home State.

I still feel West Virginia or Eastern Kentucky/Tennessee would be the most ideal solution here. Getting some cheap storefront to put a shingle up may require going in person though. These kinds of properties are cheap, but they are also not something you will find posted online by a realtor. They are very much "for sale by owner, call the number painted on the plywood".

After that, find a local yokel willing to do the job. They all have guns and if the tranny crew want to go to the Holler and cause trouble there are alot of abandoned mineshafts to hide the bodies.

I agree with this. Adding to your points, a lot of these places are so remote that they don't show up on GPS's nor Google Maps. The roads are unpaved and not great for people who don't own sturdy cars. And in a lot of these areas the police force is so small that they don't even have a the ability to "swat" even if they wanted to. These small Podunk places are also very tight knit and would notice right away if some ugly troon wandered in the neighborhood and would alert the community. One more thing, a lot of these places have literal mile long driveways, so it's not like you can just stand outside their house yelling and protesting like you do in the cities. Their screaming would fall on deaf ears.

Source: Live in bumfuck nowhere, aka very Rural South.

Jersh, I would never ever volunteer for this job (no offense) but if you need to find some property in the middle of nowhere, I'm sure I and other Southern kiwis could do this.

 

[Scampuss Aurelius]

I have to accept legal servicing for the site, pay taxes, open business accounts, and other shit that requires an entity. Thanks.

To follow up on my informal application, what is the extent of the processes on your end?
Are there any fees or anything involved to deter a trial and error of volunteers that may resign in short order and set you back significant money and time?
I really don't forsee any troubles if tasked with the super straight secretarial duties as I'm far enough out from Austin, Dallas, and such, but I can understand the reluctance to go through the trouble sign on a retard only for them to turn tail at the first sign of mean words or surprise dog execution squad house call

 

[Null]

Changing the RA just requires filing something with the Department of Commerce or whatever depending on the state.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

I'm being 100% serious, have you considered reaching out to Ty Beard? I don't know that Beard and Harris would necessarily want to be the RA, but Ty is deep into the eastern Texas republican machine, and he had pondered starting up a data center with some associates in the past. He's also a contract and business expert.

Yeah, he's a boomer and doesn't quite get all the issues plaguing the net today. However, he is aware of the farms, her has been in the net since dialup baud modem days, and he is well connected in Texas. Even if they can't help directly, they may be able to steer you in the right direction, if Texas makes sense.

https://www.beardandharris.com/contact

(Maybe just don't mention the Vic thing.)

 

[William Tyndale]

I have been told by my friend who lives there, that in Texas you only pay corporate taxes if your sales are over $1,000,000. Otherwise you just fill out a form stating that your sales were less than 1M and that’s it. You’re done. You may want to add Texas to your list of possible locations.

 

[beepbopisuckcock]

Wtf, I have looked into this a dozen times and I'm always told three.

https://www.harborcompliance.com/nonprofit-governance-by-state

There's a few states, but I'm never going to find an RA in fucking Delaware for this purpose.

Though, Washington is available, and since Washington is the state that has Net Neutrality that's a good place to start pushing shit in. (Though WA still needs a Financial Secretary.)

What I would do is have the nonprofit annex the hosting company, 1776 Hosting, since 1776 will never be profitable anyways. Kiwi Farms will just be Lolcow LLC.

Edit: Even this site warns "You’ll want to identify three, unrelated individuals to meet IRS requirements".

Part of the problem is that every 503(c) is nonprofit but not every nonprofit is a 503(c). Because federal law overrides state law, applying for 503(c) with the IRS is sometimes easier than the corresponding state equivalent. This is where you start seeing conflicting information. You just have to read the forms directly to know what is a "Required" field and fill out only those.

My guess is you don't really care about the tax side of things. It'd be nice perk, sure, but you have larger concerns.

You're also far off base with Washington. You need a state with consumer protection laws that have statutory penalties, not ones that rely on an Attorney General who won't do shit. If you're interested I'll explain a better approach.

But if all you need is a legal entity to accept service, own equiment and hold a bank account, I believe it can be done because I've done it dozens of times--usually to manage easements that require maintenance or shared Internet lines. In almost every case, the only name on the form is the name of the incorporator, and that part could be done by a hired lawyer. Just slap a new name on some boilerplate Articles of Incorporation, pay the $30 filing fee and eventually it will show up in the Secretary of State database and from there be as legitimate as any other corporation.

 

[DavidS877]

hired lawyer

I can hear Null's voice in my head... "Great, give me the name of a lawyer who will be my registered agent so I can incorporate there."

 

[Null]

I can hear Null's voice in my head... "Great, give me the name of a lawyer who will be my registered agent so I can incorporate there."

Yeah, no shit

 

[beepbopisuckcock]

I can hear Null's voice in my head... "Great, give me the name of a lawyer who will be my registered agent so I can incorporate there."

No, not a lawyer to be a registered agent, a lawyer to be the incorporator. The incorporator just names the inital registered agent and place of business. After that, the entity is managed by filing documents like Statements of Information or more commonly now via an online portal.

The incorporator is only needed to sign the form that starts the process, after that they are done.

Combine this with my earlier advice about Post Office physical addresses. You make the registered agent a fake name like "David Davidson" at the PO Box's physical street address. Now service is signed for by USPS employees who put a pickup key/tag in the PO Box, and anyone with the key to the box can retrieve the document.

Note: you will need a real name to open the PO Box (although there are ways around this too) but after that's done, you can list other names of people in your "household" which could be the fake names to act as registered agent.

 

[DavidS877]

No, not a lawyer to be a registered agent, a lawyer to be the incorporator. The incorporator names the register agent.

The incorporator is literally only needed to sign the form that starts the process, after that they are done.

Combine this with my earlier advice about Post Office physical addresses. You make the registered agent a fake name like "David Davidson" at the PO Box's physical street address. Now service is signed for by USPS employees who put a pickup key/tag in the PO Box, and anyone with the key to the box can retrieve the document.

Registered Agents must agree to be a registered agent. Go down to your post office and ask the postmaster if they'll do it. I'm pretty sure I could hear the laughter from here.

 

[beepbopisuckcock]

Registered Agents must agree to be a registered agent. Go down to your post office and ask the postmaster if they'll do it. I'm pretty sure I could hear the laughter from here.

Okay I don't know what definition of "registered agent" you are using but I'll be specific as it applies to California:

Every California corporation must name an Agent for Service of Process to allow legal service. This has to be either a CA service company (like the two the Fortune 500 companies use, CSC Lawyers Incorporating Service and C T Corp) or a named person. There is nothing that validates this information because it is self-provided by the entity. In fact, there have been many times I've served companies and had service fail because they forgot to update their information. (Of course, if service fails the courts could give someone a default judgment against you since the service failure is your fault.)

Regardless, USPS has to accept mail. That includes signing for legal service documents on behalf of you, the postal customer. USPS don't like doing this, but as I said earlier, it's what private mailbox companies do and they want to stay competitive. It's worth pointing out you could also get a private mailbox, but those would be allowed to refuse you service while the USPS is not because mail is a legally-protected right.

Hope this clarifies things.

 

[Ol' Slag]

This suggestion is completely serious.

Is any cow you are on speaking terms with possible? They have already been doxed.

I know that Wings of redemption was floated as possible. It's not like shit can get worse for him.

 

[DavidS877]

Okay I don't know what definition of "registered agent" you are using but I'll be specific as it applies to California:

Every California corporation must name an Agent for Service of Process to allow legal service. This has to be either a CA service company (like the two nearly every Fortune 500 company uses, CSC Lawyers Incorporating Service and C T Corp) or a named person. There is nothing that validates this information because it is self-provided by the entity. In fact, there have been many times I've served companies and had service fail because they forgot to update their information.

Regardless, USPS has to accept mail. That does include signing for mail on behalf of their postal customer. They don't like it, but as I said earlier, it's what private mailbox companies do. You could also use a private mailbox company, but those would be allowed to refuse you service while the USPS is not because mail is a legally-protected right.

Hope this clarifies things.

Correct, the USPS must accept mail.
A process server is not mail.
A person walks into the business asks for "Blah Registered Agent Corp" or "Joe Blow" and hands them a stack of papers and says "You've been served." They must hand them to the named person or registered agent company representative directly who then forwards it on to the corporate counsel in whatever state or country they're in.
You would have to name the USPS as your registered agent. This won't ever happen, You could also name the postmaster. Also, not happening.

As soon as the first set of documents is attempted to be served and fails, the lawyer paying the process server will notify the secretary of state and the LLC will be cancelled(again).

 

[beepbopisuckcock]

Correct, the USPS must accept mail.
A process server is not mail.
A person walks into the business asks for "Blah Registered Agent Corp" or "Joe Blow" and hands them a stack of papers and says "You've been served." They must hand them to the named person or registered agent company representative directly who then forwards it on to the corporate counsel in whatever state or country they're in.
You would have to name the USPS as your registered agent. This won't ever happen, You could also name the postmaster. Also, not happening.

As soon as the first set of documents is attempted to be served and fails, the lawyer paying the process server will notify the secretary of state and the LLC will be cancelled(again).

Well, now we are getting into legal hypotheticals. Let me ask you a question: does the process server WANT service to succeed or fail?

After all, Josh could have a real, legit, brick-and-mortar location and a dishonest process server could claim they attempted service there but it failed. So if someone files a service failure report with the Secretary of State, what is the process that agency follows? Here in California, the Secretary of State would send a certified/return receipt mailing to the Agent for Service of Process, which would be received and successfully answered in the USPS scenario.

Yes, you are correct that if you walked into a Post Office, shouted a name, and threw a pile of loose papers on the ground, that would not be handled by postal employees and likely end up in the garbage, not a PO Box.

However, to counter your point, a FedEx envelope is also not mail. But a USPS employee will accept it because it is properly addressed.

So if the process server actually wants service to succeed because that is what they have been paid to do, they will minimally put it in an envelope with your name on it, which I can confirm USPS employees have accepted and have put in my PO Box.

Also in California, when service fails, the Secretary of State accepts service on behalf of the entity. As long as the entity checks in with the Secretary of State once every two years, any errors in the Statement of Information are forgiven. The only time I personally have experienced a corporation being terminated due to service issues was when the certified mailings sent out were returned undeliverable for a period of several years.

 

[GayestFurryTrash]

Well, now we are getting into legal hypotheticals. Let me ask you a question: does the process server WANT service to succeed or fail?

After all, Josh could have a real, legit, brick-and-mortar location and a dishonest process server could claim they attempted service there but it failed. So if someone files a service failure report with the Secretary of State, what is the process that agency follows? Here in California, the Secretary of State would send a certified/return receipt mailing to the Agent for Service of Process, which would be received and successfully answered in the USPS scenario.

Yes, you are correct that if you walked into a Post Office, shouted a name, and threw a pile of loose papers on the ground, that would not be handled by postal employees and likely end up in the garbage, not a PO Box.

However, to counter your point, a FedEx envelope is also not mail. But a USPS employee will accept it because it is properly addressed.

So if the process server actually wants service to succeed because that is what they have been paid to do, they will minimally put it in an envelope with your name on it, which I can confirm USPS employees have accepted and have put in my PO Box.

Also in California, when service fails, the Secretary of State accepts service on behalf of the entity. As long as the entity checks in with the Secretary of State once every two years, any errors in the Statement of Information are forgiven. The only time I personally have experienced a corporation being terminated due to service issues was when the certified mailings sent out were returned undeliverable for a period of several years.

Problem is you're suggesting California, the most faggot infested state in the union and the most authoritarian. If there's any state that will bend over for the tranny outrage mob and change laws if needed to fuck over Jersh, it's that shithole.

 

[beepbopisuckcock]

Problem is you're suggesting California, the most faggot infested state in the union and the most authoritarian. If there's any state that will bend over for the tranny outrage mob and change laws if needed to fuck over Jersh, it's that shithole.

I'm only using California as an example because that's what I know. There could be better states, for sure.

But you forget that California also has a consumer rights fetish and the ballot-initiative process that allows the still-huge conservative population to bypass the cucked all-Democrat legislature entirely.

Go to any website in the county and look at the legal page and you'll find a section dedicated to obeying things like the California Consumer Privacy Act, which is by far the stongest in the nation and even surpasses the EU's GDPR.

So in terms of keeping the publically available information from linking this new theoretical California non-profit to KiwiFarms proper? I actually think it'll be easier in California than other states.

 

[beepbopisuckcock]

Because of what happened to Nigel Farage, it looks like the UK might end up being the first country to recognize access to banks as a new fundamental human right.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/uks-banking-chief-apologizes-to-nigel-farage-after-bank-apparently-boots-account-over-political-beliefs/ar-AA1e8nLQ

Maybe it's a crazy longshot, but what if @Null sent a well-written accounting of everything he's experienced to https://www.accountclosed.org/ especially if any of the companies involved have operations also in the UK?

Yes, right now this is happening in the UK but if the movement takes off then US politicians may also start revisiting some of the politically-motivated account closures that have been happening here.

 

[Great Dane]

I'm still interested in being your registered agent, but I don't have land, myself. You've mentioned that buying a property by yourself is out of your reach, but would you be willing to split costs to buy a cheap house or raise money in some way to get the property?

 

[William Tyndale]

I have been told by my friend who lives there, that in Texas you only pay corporate taxes if your sales are over $1,000,000. Otherwise you just fill out a form stating that your sales were less than 1M and that’s it. You’re done. You may want to add Texas to your list of possible locations.

Sorry to samefag but I didn’t think it would be seen if I just edited it. I looked up the Texas tax law and 1.2M is the threshold. Anything under that pays no tax.