I hate the Internet and the people who own it

[Blaster]

I'm 99% sure they'd consider this "independent research" or "primary source" both of which are banned.

Oh, there is no doubt in my mind that Wikipedia would never accept any source that says anything less than Joshua Moon being the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler himself, and Kiwi Farms the Ratskellers before the 4th Reich, regardless of what any source says. You are 100% right about that.

That said, if we were to pretend we lived in a fantasy world where the stated rules actually meant something, is there an actual flaw in what I said?
i.e. is a statement from the AGO not considered a legitimate source on Wikipedia, even when trannies are disinterested in that statement, or would it still be regarded as independent research?

I have never contributed to Wikipedia, so I genuinely don't know.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Oh, there is no doubt in my mind that Wikipedia would never accept any source that says anything less than Joshua Moon being the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler himself, and Kiwi Farms the Ratskellers before the 4th Reich, regardless of what any source says. You are 100% right about that.

Never forget. Just LOOK at what the mods of wikipedia said during the Byuu thing. They took "there is no evidence of it" and reported it as true anyway because "Consensus says it's true". And by consensus they mean the retards editing the wiki page. I'm surprised none of the legal filings have bothered sliding that in yet.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-great-twitter-meltdown-of-2021.93623/post-12204434

 

[ForTheHoard]

The Washington state Attorney General is a pretty fucking reputable source

Tell me you're not from WA without saying you're not from WA.

 

[AnOminous]

The language in the reply suggests to me no legal or regulatory department looked at it and thus the complaint has not left the customer service department (and reached the management layer).

Generally if you have an administrative remedy you have to let that run its course before filing a lawsuit, or risk having the lawsuit immediately dismissed. So it's generally best to keep your powder dry until the time is ripe. I'm highly skeptical of them doing anything but whatever.

i.e. is a statement from the AGO not considered a legitimate source on Wikipedia, even when trannies are disinterested in that statement, or would it still be regarded as independent research?

It would be considered a "primary source" so unless some fake news journalist reported on it it wouldn't be allowed.

Unless of course it accuses the Farms of murder and then a blog post by some severely mentally ill man in a dress is fine.

 

[dustbuster]

generally speaking if the court orders you to do something and you don't the fines will be something like "x thousand dollars every day the service is not restored". If they want to pay me $x,000 a day that's fine too.

Speaking of "court orders".

"Criminal Harassment" is determined by courts.
If they cannot produce a recorded federal or state judgment within US jurisdiction to substantiate this, they are now engaging in defamation by lying to public officials through official communications.
Given this defamation has clear impact, I recommend a stern letter with legal masthead to HE's legal team and that this be clearly pointed out to the state AG in response.

Heck, I think just issuing a legal threat may get you the report that was sent TO HE and its author, at which point you have a troon making clear false claims to put you out of business in writing which should give you redress under defamation and harassment laws.

You can literally pull uno reverse-card and get a harassment judgment or restraining order against Liz Dong Gone

This is before we get to section 230 defense, point out this site's strict ban policy against threats, and suggest that whoever reported this to HE is "in error" and should be seeking court orders against individual users whose actions have been determined by a judge to be worthy of serving with a lawsuit or TRO proceedings.

Either way, I do hope the full response sticks to the facts and strokes the ego of government officials by appealing to their authority over such matters.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

e. is a statement from the AGO not considered a legitimate source on Wikipedia

Not unless that statement is reprinted in the media. They have rules against Primary sources, though their enforcement of them is not in any way consistent (even ignoring political issues)

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

i.e. is a statement from the AGO not considered a legitimate source on Wikipedia, even when trannies are disinterested in that statement, or would it still be regarded as independent research?

I have never contributed to Wikipedia, so I genuinely don't know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary,_secondary_and_tertiary_sources

Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources, and to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors.

Wikipedia:Reliable sources - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deprecated_sources

There are a labyrinth of complicated rules on Wikipedia that can be used to get the results the powerful users/admins want. They will generally require the use of whatever they consider to be reliable news sites, which skews left. If these news sites smear, the smear gets into Wikipedia. If they don't cover it, it didn't happen.

 

[dustbuster]

The real history of these "free" services like wikipedia and how they were funded and founded glows like the surface of the sun.
Zuck was funded to make facebook the same month the CIA's orwellian "lifelog" project was shut down due to public scrutiny.
Our idiot fellow citizens then gladly hopped on and volunteered their complete life history to zuck and his shadowy funders.
Every big social exists to spy on you, track you, and dispense propaganda.
The entire tech sector post-2002 would implode without government dark money.

 

[Blaster]

There are a labyrinth of complicated rules on Wikipedia that can be used to get the results the powerful users/admins want. They will generally require the use of whatever they consider to be reliable news sites, which skews left. If these news sites smear, the smear gets into Wikipedia. If they don't cover it, it didn't happen.

Okay, here's my gay op idea. Somebody else do this. I can't be bothered:

Step 1:
Become "publication" that simply takes primary sources such as direct quotes from legal documents/social media politician accounts/politician websites/etc. The primary requirements of sources of information are

• of public interest
• indisputably a primary source from the person of interest. it's important that it requires as little human intervention as possible.
• avoids topics trannies will seethe and dilate over

Step 2:
Use web crawlers/rss feeds/whatever to scrape the data, then an AI to generate articles.

Step 3:
Become a source of information for Wikipedia articles

Step 4:
Slowly start introducing things they wouldn't like

Congrats! You've now done exactly what made Wikipedia a propaganda site, except you used AI instead of white women and jews.
Use your newfound power to new found power to compel people to say the sun is square and breathing is harmful to others.

Source(s):
Dude, trust me.

 

[lolcowsdrama]

ICYMI Jersh posted something in the Total Retard War thread

Pardon my retardation but what happens now? Does Dear Sneeder need to file another complaint?

Has null posted their full response anywhere?

I'm surprised Hurricane Electric hadn't said anything about this term in the AUP: "Advocacy of violence against a specific person or class of people is prohibited.", given how often I have seen people calling for TTD. For reference: https://www.he.net/aup.html

 

[Null]

I'm surprised Hurricane Electric hadn't said anything about this term in the AUP: "Advocacy of violence against a specific person or class of people is prohibited.", given how often I have seen people calling for TTD. For reference: https://www.he.net/aup.html

1. The response is not mine to post.
2. They have not indicated what part of the AUP we violated.

 

[lolcowsdrama]

1. The response is not mine to post.
2. They have not indicated what part of the AUP we violated.

Are IncognetLLC the ones who have to release the response?

Here's the only part of their AUP that explicitly mentions harassment: "Harassment - use of Hurricane's network to harass or threaten (in the legal sense of those terms) any other person is prohibited."
Though this clause above it is also very broad: "No Hurricane customer shall: Do anything illegal or anything that adversely affects Hurricane's legal interests."

 

[Null]

Their aup can say "no white people" but that is irrelevant to the protections afforded by law.

 

[mindlessobserver]

They have not indicated what part of the AUP we violated.

They never will either. If I've learned anything watching these things go down that is the one thing they will never, ever do. Because if they did, then your lawyers would actually have something they could argue. Keeping it intentionally vague means you have to try and figure out what they are talking about, which is impossible since most tech contracts and terms of service are so broad and vague as they could mean anything, to anyone, at any given point of time, for any reason. You would think such vagueness would make the contract unenforceable though. Sadly our courts have never seemed to agree.

 

[MarMar049]

So recently Terrahost has dropped the sharty because of the goongate situation, how really trust worthy is terrahost?

 

[Prince Vegeta]

Generally if you have an administrative remedy you have to let that run its course before filing a lawsuit, or risk having the lawsuit immediately dismissed. So it's generally best to keep your powder dry until the time is ripe. I'm highly skeptical of them doing anything but whatever.

I think we're saying the same thing. I'm just coming at it from a control angle. I meant that this is still at the level of being treated as complaint #7263, possibly intercepted so it is not reviewed yet as a notable error (which it would be in a properly run company, as it creates both a minor legal and reputational risk at this stage, and could be an honest mistake), or gets too high a priority (p3 or 2) so other, more experienced people have to analyse it and report on it on their monthly management summary. The lawsuit stage comes a few more annoying exchanges down the line indeed.

 

[Null]

So recently Terrahost has dropped the sharty because of the goongate situation, how really trust worthy is terrahost?

Their website is continually flooded with child porn which is probably the main factor at play there.

I'm going to give their "based russia" gambit maybe a month.

 

[SpellforceFan]

Their website is continually flooded with child porn which is probably the main factor at play there.

I'm going to give their "based russia" gambit maybe a month.

kemono.party, which is a patreon/pixiv/fantia/discord/gumroad piracy website, hosts explicit loli and realistic 3d cp, is hosted in Russia, and has no issues with their Russian host. I wouldn't be too sure that Russians will bother since it doesn't contain holohoax denial/mockery.

 

[Null]

Perhaps, I forget how large the industry of child abuse is there. Though the site does have political content too. Depends on how much they bribe people.

I still give it a month

 

[Dyn]

1. Presumably the Attornery General will have to reply that KiwiFarms has not been found guilty of any crimes

Really, though? I'm pretty sure if we were packed full of hardcore cp they wouldn't need to wait for anyone to be found guilty of it, they could just unplug us on the grounds of "That looks super illegal to us".