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Why Disney Can't Make Hits Like It Used To​

Once a sure thing at the box office, Disney has experienced an unprecedented string of box office flops both domestically and in critical markets such as China.

Despite strong showings with Avatar: The Way of Water, which brought in a whopping $2.3 billion around the world, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3, which has made almost $850 million globally, the past year has been lackluster for Disney.

What once would have been sure fire hit such as Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, which is Harrison Ford's last outing as the famous archaeologist, has made just $369 million globally, only a tad more than its budget of $295 million.

"Remember that of the $369 million, the studio will only garner about 60 percent of that amount or $180 million," Mark Young, from the School of Accounting at the University of Southern California (USC), told Newsweek, highlighting just how much of a flop the film has been.

Other titles which underperformed for Disney over the past year include Marvel's Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Lightyear, The Little Mermaid and Strange World. Pixar animated studios also suffered its worst opening in 28 years with Elemental, which made just under $30 million on its opening in the U.S., according to Box Office Mojo.

The disappointing returns at cinemas has cost Disney at least $1 billion, according to Forbes, a fact not lost of the company's CEO, Bob Iger.

"The studio has had a tremendous run over the past decade, perhaps the greatest run that any studio has ever had, with multiple billion dollar hits... that said, the performance of some of our recent films has definitely been disappointing and we don't take that lightly," Iger said during the company's 2023 third-quarter financial results call on Wednesday.

"As you'd expect, we're very focused on improving the quality and the performance of the films that we've got coming up. It's something that I'm working closely with the studio on. I'm personally committed to spending more time and attention on that as well."

The reasons behind Disney's bad box office run might seem obvious, such as how cinemas are still trying to bounce back after the COVID-19 pandemic, but experts argue the studio needs to start making more "bracingly fresh films." Recycling old intellectual property (IP), like Indiana Jones or the live action remake of The Little Mermaid, has turned audiences off.

Young said since acquiring Marvel and churning out endless movies and TV shows on its streaming service, Disney+, people are suffering from "superhero fatigue because these movies tend to be highly formulaic."

For UCLA lecturer and film producer Tom Nunan, Disney has mistakenly lent into "an over-reliance on the familiar."

"When we see Barbie from Warner Bros Studio and Oppenheimer from Universal performing so well, the message seems clear: 'make original, bracingly fresh films and the audience will show up,'" he told Newsweek.

"By most measures, the bets they took were considered reliable ones and anyone in their position would've likely done the same. Disney's efforts have been substantial, upscale, and professional—just uninspiring and not as groundbreaking as what's called for these days."

In the 2000s, Disney went on a shopping spree, buying up studios such as Marvel, Pixar and Lucasfilm, which gave us both the Star Wars and Indiana Jones franchises.

All of these studios only make big budget content, whereas prior to the acquisition, Disney had different budget levels for its productions. And where there is a lot of money being spent comes big risk. So it makes sense the studios would rely on a formula proven to work.

"One cannot blame a studio for following formulae as this approach has been successful in the past, but I think things have now come to a head. Studios need to get ahead of the curve and deliver something very new," Young explained.

Even though Disney may struggle to make its money back on these films from cinema sales, they will continue having value on Disney+ for years to come, according to Kimberly Owczarski, associate professor at the Texas Christian University.

"They released too many films in a short time frame in what was already a crowded summer of competition," she explained, and added: "They have relied too much on franchises that are either skewing older or there are too many texts to keep track of in theaters and on streaming, like with the Marvel properties.

"Word-of-mouth wasn't great on several of these films, either, which certainly kept those who weren't diehard fans from going to theaters and instead they just wait for their streaming debuts. With such a short turnaround from theaters to Disney+, there's no real need to spend so much money going to a movie theater for a less than stellar film."

Allègre Hadida from the University of Cambridge Judge Business School agreed, and added that the rising cost of living means people will more likely wait to watch a title on Disney+, especially because of the convenience of being able to watch "ATAWAD (anytime, anywhere, on any device)."

"This effect may be amplified as purchasing power is affected by high inflation rates," she explained to Newsweek.

But even though Disney has had some unprecedented box office failures this year, it was still on track to be one biggest distributors and earners of the year with all of its releases combined.

"While some theatrical releases have underperformed and Disney+ subscriptions have decreased over the past few months, Disney is still very much a force to reckon with in the global entertainment industry. They lead the global box office in 2022 and in the first six months of 2023 (with US$3.4 bn in revenue)," Hadida explained.

So how does Disney bounce back?

"I think they need new IP and totally new characters and a new vision for the studio. It seems clear that going back to the same well over and over again will only lead to more failure. In other words, a new strategy is needed and this is going to require a new deal with the writers," Young explained.

Owczarski agreed, saying, "original stories typically cost less to make than franchise properties, so investing a bit more in them may lead to some bigger returns in the long run," and pointed out that while they had slow starts, Elemental and The Little Mermaid eventually brought in good audiences.

"[They] played well in theaters since their debut because of the lack of family-oriented films in the market this summer. Disney performs its best when it can tap into that audience and they have made fewer films geared to it in recent years. So they need to focus on films for the family audience again," Owczarski added.

Disney also has an "unparalleled" library of IP that it can tap into, but it can only do so if they "approach their content with the same boldness, audacity, fun, and depth as Warner Bros did with Barbie," according to Nunan.

"Today's audience is looking for really fresh, startling uniqueness. It's all within Disney's reach," he said.

"Failure usually leads to one of two outcomes: fear and retrenchment, or bold reinvention. My hope is the company will embrace bold reinvention in the feature space. The franchises and characters are beloved—let's hope the Disney folks embrace courage over fear."

Young suggested "as a different strategy," Disney+ should go into its catalogue and bring out more movies that baby boomers and Gen X'ers find appealing, with the potential of also finding new audiences.

"Many of their great films are not on the service. Disney has a catalogue of over 800 properties... in some cases, there might be rights or restoration issues, but it seems to me that these costs pale in comparison to creating another $200 million blockbuster," he said.

"My point in mentioning this is that executives may be completely unaware of what they have in their libraries and younger employees may not be old enough to even know about these classics so there is a disconnection."

As for Disney's outlook, Owczarski does not feel too concerned for the Mouse House's future.

"Disney may be experiencing a rough patch with its properties this summer in theaters, but the rest of the year has some strong box office potential," she said.

"They will likely remain the top overall distributor globally, even despite some key challenges in 2023."
 
Disney started to die when they stopped asking "What would Walt Do?" Walt Disney believed in bringing his customers high quality product that the whole family could enjoy, from hand animated shorts, to theme park rides. The Walt Disney Corporation stopped caring about their customers and went all-in on corporate greed and politics. Walt didn't care what your political views were, he just wanted to entertain you and your children. The Disney Corporation replaced all their skilled writers and other critical employees with Lefty political activists.

When you replace talent with hacks then your product takes a nosedive in quality, because hacks have no creativity or talent. You end up rehashing the same old shit over and over again, because they can't think up anything fresh and new on their own. They can only make minor changes to old stories that other people who had talent and creativity wrote first. Then they start inserting "The Message" into everything, because it's not about bringing customers an entertaining and quality product for them to enjoy, it's about "educating" the idiot commoners on "the right way to be" to change the world to how it "should" be.

So now you have the same old thing over and over again, only with characters race/gender swapped, straight men are either evil or idiots, women and LGBTQRSTUV-- characters are amazing and flawless, etc.
 
I was coming to see if it was racism and I was pleasantly suprised

Disney also has an "unparalleled" library of IP that it can tap into, but it can only do so if they "approach their content with the same boldness, audacity, fun, and depth as Warner Bros did with Barbie," according to Nunan.

Fuck sake these nigger journos and studios always take home the wrong message from success
 
Start telling stories to entertain again, and stop preaching. It’s that simple.
They have properties that should be blockbuster shoe-ins. Indiana jones is like James Bond - there’s a formula to it, you have a great lead actor and to get it wrong is tough, yet both bond and jones have been rubbish on their last outings. We do t want sensitive bond. We want Bastard psychotic but attractive bond, foiling some dastardly plot, a decent villain, Bond girls frolicking in bikinis, great set pieces, some good one liners and excitement and a few martinis.
Just stop preaching, stop casting on identity, and make great stories again.
Great older films have mixed diverse casts and it worked brilliantly because the actors were great - lethal weapon for example. Ghostbusters. Older films have great female leads - alien for example. You just have to put STORY first. People want story, and they have since they sat round campfores and told about how Grug Took Down Aurochs Alone.
It’s not hard. Give me some money and I’ll write you the next Indiana jones and the next bond and they’ll be hits.
It’s all so dreich.
Well unfortunately the creep of the absolute sick fucks as well as the massive echo chamber of socialistic ideologies from more sick fucks are the reasons why Hollywood which Disney is part of are failing.

There will be no change. It is too entrenched and they actually believe that they are in the right.

The only way to make them change is to vote with your wallet. That is the only way.

Understand that I see these types of fucktards when I have to deal with the mongoloids here in Silicon Valley.

They will NOT CHANGE And because of their ideology that has gone to point of religious fanaticism is why
Disney, Hollywood, the entire entertain industry as well as anything dealing with social media are fucked up today.

As an example of the extremism I am talking about. Why do you think San Francisco is in a Doom Loop?

When you go the religious fanaticism, extreme socialistic progressivism route... you get a decline in everything that would be considered normal.

This is what is happening in the Entertainment Industry and unless people stop giving them money, I do not see any changes in the foreseeable future.
 
Something missed in all of this valid criticism about how shit the writing and production value of Disney's film have become is how unbelivably immense their budgets are nowadays. Lightyear, an animated movie, cost a reported $150M. A CGI animated movie, not even traditional animation. What the fuck.

This makes every movie that much more of a risk, so they try to play it all super safe. Of course, these retards live in the LA/NYC bubble and they think that "playing it safe" means "make it perfectly in line with our microcosm". Of course, they don't (want) to recognize that this microcosm is utterly out of synch with John Q Normie. This simulteneously kills creativity and makes the writing and plot abhorent to non-insane normal people.
 
This makes every movie that much more of a risk, so they try to play it all super safe. Of course, these retards live in the LA/NYC bubble and they think that "playing it safe" means "make it perfectly in line with our microcosm". Of course, they don't (want) to recognize that this microcosm is utterly out of synch with John Q Normie. This simulteneously kills creativity and makes the writing and plot abhorent to non-insane normal people.
This is also the same reason the management bureaucracy are fine with the endless franchise sequels and remakes. Some profit from the end product is more or less guaranteed regardless of content, and so less persuasion is needed to get people to invest into it.
 
Disney doesn’t see children and their families as the target audience anymore. The 40+ year old Forever Alone people with disposable income who never mentally matured past the age of 14 are their target group now.

Boomer talk: when I was a kid nobody gave a flying fuck if the newest Disney movie had a black, transgendered gaybian midget with Downs Syndrome in the movie. None of the black kids I went to school with were screeching about representation, same with the Mexican kids and the Asian kids (Mulan was pretty sweet though) we were just excited because NEW DISNEY MOVIE right in the 80s and 90s when they were slamming home run after home run. They knew what kids wanted: action and adventure for the boys, romance and whimsy for the girls and comedy for everyone. Something changed in the mid-late 2000s when idpol started to take bigger form
 
Disney doesn’t see children and their families as the target audience anymore. The 40+ year old Forever Alone people with disposable income who never mentally matured past the age of 14 are their target group now.
Sad.

Boomer talk: when I was a kid nobody gave a flying fuck if the newest Disney movie had a black, transgendered gaybian midget with Downs Syndrome in the movie. None of the black kids I went to school with were screeching about representation, same with the Mexican kids and the Asian kids (Mulan was pretty sweet though) we were just excited because NEW DISNEY MOVIE right in the 80s and 90s when they were slamming home run after home run. They knew what kids wanted: action and adventure for the boys, romance and whimsy for the girls and comedy for everyone. Something changed in the mid-late 2000s when idpol started to take bigger form
Pretty much. It's a world I didn't expect to happen. I never thought of these things as a teen in the 90's. Now I feel like I don't belong anymore with my interests.
 
Start telling stories to entertain again, and stop preaching. It’s that simple.
They have properties that should be blockbuster shoe-ins. Indiana jones is like James Bond - there’s a formula to it, you have a great lead actor and to get it wrong is tough, yet both bond and jones have been rubbish on their last outings. We do t want sensitive bond. We want Bastard psychotic but attractive bond, foiling some dastardly plot, a decent villain, Bond girls frolicking in bikinis, great set pieces, some good one liners and excitement and a few martinis.
Just stop preaching, stop casting on identity, and make great stories again.
Great older films have mixed diverse casts and it worked brilliantly because the actors were great - lethal weapon for example. Ghostbusters. Older films have great female leads - alien for example. You just have to put STORY first. People want story, and they have since they sat round campfores and told about how Grug Took Down Aurochs Alone.
It’s not hard. Give me some money and I’ll write you the next Indiana jones and the next bond and they’ll be hits.
It’s all so dreich.
I'll happily watch a new Bond, but it should be a period-accurate 60s and 70s. Bring back the Communists and SPECTRE shenanigans with vintage 60s and 70s cheese and I'm in. Maybe show what life was like behind the Curtain, I'm sure a good amount of that shit's declassified now.

But it's Current Year, so commies being the Bad Guys wouldn't sit well with the laptop caste.
 
I'll happily watch a new Bond, but it should be a period-accurate 60s and 70s. Bring back the Communists and SPECTRE shenanigans with vintage 60s and 70s cheese and I'm in. Maybe show what life was like behind the Curtain, I'm sure a good amount of that shit's declassified now.

But it's Current Year, so commies being the Bad Guys wouldn't sit well with the laptop caste.

I miss the Ruskies and the Chinks being the bad guys both in movies and real life, instead of just real life.
 
It's been Hollywood as a creative engine as a whole, not just Disney. They've become incestuous and would rather sit around and massage each other's egos than try new things. Most people would probably be fine with some sort of Transformers / Fast and the Furious movie, but you rarely get those, because everything is racist, sexist, etc (and Hollywood is enforcing this shit with diversity quotas). Everything is now propaganda, and even if it doesn't come off as propaganda, they'll go to Twitter to let you know you need to have the correct mindset to enjoy their shit house movie.

They did it to themselves, let them burn.
The entertainment industry is flooded by people whose experiences in the world are basically consuming media. Gone are the days of Satoshi Tajiri being inspired by his hobby of collecting insects and wanting to allow others to have that passion. Instead, you have people entering entertainment who grew up consuming media and are only able to regurgitate what they consumed. If you think it's bad with Millennials, just wait until the next generation starts flooding in; you have an entire generation of people who grew up staring at a nightmare rectangle for 16 hours a day.
 
Something missed in all of this valid criticism about how shit the writing and production value of Disney's film have become is how unbelivably immense their budgets are nowadays. Lightyear, an animated movie, cost a reported $150M. A CGI animated movie, not even traditional animation. What the fuck.
In their review of Oppenheimer, our favorite alcoholic hack-frauds from Milwaukee pointed out how Hollywood seems to be in the middle of repeating the massive studio crash of the late 60's, where the increasingly massive budgets of super-epics basically wound up making them unprofitable, and the studios suffered for it as a result. The upside is that this led to an era of smaller, lower-budgeted, creator-driven films that nonetheless spoke to the culture and the zeitgeist and have become timeless classics, and if history truly does repeat we'll be getting a similar era of film in the near future.
 
This has been a problem before the woke take over of their movies.

'89 The Little Mermaid
Budget:$40M / Box O: $235M
2 Academy Awards out of 3 noms

'90 The Rescuers Down Under
Box O: $47.4M

'91 Beauty and the Beast
Budget $25M / Box O: $424M
2 Academy Awards out of 6 noms including Best Picture

'92 Aladdin
Budget: $28M / Box O: $504M
2 Academy Awards out of 3 noms.

'94 The Lion King
Budget: $45 / Box O: $968.5M
2 Academy Awards out of 4 noms.

'95 Pocahontas
Budget $55M / Box O: $346M
2 Academy Awards out of 2 noms

'96 Hunchback of N.D.
Budget: $70M / Box O: $325M
1 nom.

'97 Hercules
Budget: $85M / Box O: $252M
1 nom.

'98 Mulan
Budget: $90M / Box O: $304M
2 noms.

'99 Tarzan
Budget: $130M / Box O: $448M
1 Academy Award out of 1 nom.

'99 Fantasia 2000
Budget: $80-85M / Box O: $90M
0 noms.

'00 Emperor's New Groove
Budget: $100M / Box O: $169M
1 nom

-here is where Best Animated Feature in Oscars starts*-

'01 Atlantis
Budget: $120M / Box O: $186M
0 noms

'02 Lilo & Stitch
Budget: $80M / Box O: $273M
0 noms

'02 Treasure Planet
Budget: $140M / Box O: $109
1 nom.

'03 Brother Bear
Budget: $46 / Box O: $250M
*1 nom

'04 Home on the Ranch
Budget: $110M / Box O: $76.5M
0 nom.

'05 Chicken Little
Budget: $150M / Box O: $314M
0 noms

'07 Meet the Robinsons
Budget: $150M / Box O: $169M
*1 nom

'08 Bolt
Budget: $150M / Box O: $310M
*1 nom

'09 Princess and the Frog
Budget: $105M / Box O: $271M
*2 noms

'10 Tangled
Budget : $260M / Box O: $592M
*2 noms

'11 Winnie the Pooh
Budget: $30M / Box O: $50M
0 noms

'12 Wreck-It Ralph
Budget: $165M / Box O: $496.5M
*1 nom

'13 Frozen
Budget: $150M / Box O: $1 285B
*2 Academy Awards out of 2 noms

'14 Big Hero 6
Budget: $165M / Box O: $657M
*1 Academy Award out of 1 nom.

'16 Zootopia
Budget: $150M / Box O: $1.025B
*1 Academy Award out of 1 nom.

'16 Moana
Budget: $175M / Box O: $682.6
*2 noms.

'19 Ralph Breaks the Internet
Budget: $175M / Box O: $529M
*1 nom

'19 Frozen II
Budget: $150M / Box O: $1.453B
1 nom.

'21 Raya
Budget: $100M / Box O: $130M
*1 nom

'21 Encanto
Budget: $150M / Box O: $256M
*1 Academy Award out of 2 noms

'22 Strange World
Budget: $180M / Box O: $73M
0 noms.


Disney does well with their Princess, they never lose any money with them. It's when they go too adventurous that they scare the audiences. They've also been lucky with certain movies like Lilo and then another ones relied heavily on big marketing campaigns, like Frozen and Ralph. Frozen is very feminist and look how much money it made. Ralph is in fact a good, fun movie.

There is another factor: they lost the monopoly on winning best song, which, imo, it's an indicative of how they've lost their "magic" and tried to be more like Marvel on being quirky and random with their non-Princess movies.
 
Disney can't make good films because normal humans aren't running the place anymore.

What do normal humans care about?

Action, adventure,
overcoming long odds,
growing and maturing spiritually and mentally,
seeing hard work get rewarded,
watching attractive men and women fall in love and get together
seeing justice get done
watching youngsters come of age
seeing the good guys either win or stick to their principles while losing
having the story convey a good moral

What do the Clownworlders running Disney and Hollywood care about?

Girlbosses who don't need no man
Girlbosses who get everything handed to them without effort to make up for thousands of years of real world Patriarchy
watching traditional heroes get humiliated and lectured
destroying earnest moments through snark and tone-deaf humor
shaggy dog endings that crap all over heroic people
pushing LGBTBBQism
bean mouth character designs
blackifying characters
making sure freaks and perverts feel "represented"
pushing radical progressive politics

I feel like some kind of alien because I can remember a time when movies tried to appeal to all audiences, not just woke ones, and didn't engage in Blame Whitey political pandering. I remember when Hollywood didn't try to stir the pot and encourage hatred between men,women, whites and blacks, and when handsome men engaging in heroic acts was just par for the course, instead of something to be hated and derided for being sexist. The Hell of it is, it didn't have to be this way. Hollywood could have made movies for traditional audiences AND movies for radical progressives. They could have boiled the frog slowly by putting more women heroes in films, and showing them EARNING their happy endings and abilities through hard work and intelligence. But no. They wanted to heap shit on the head of white males and rub their faces in it. The problem is, they can't do that exclusively AND remain profitable, so I say, let them fail. I'll mourn what they were, but I'll be completely indifferent to their fate going forward.
 
In their review of Oppenheimer, our favorite alcoholic hack-frauds from Milwaukee pointed out how Hollywood seems to be in the middle of repeating the massive studio crash of the late 60's, where the increasingly massive budgets of super-epics basically wound up making them unprofitable, and the studios suffered for it as a result. The upside is that this led to an era of smaller, lower-budgeted, creator-driven films that nonetheless spoke to the culture and the zeitgeist and have become timeless classics, and if history truly does repeat we'll be getting a similar era of film in the near future.
I don't think a crash is going to fix things because the usual producers, directors, and writers will still be entrenched in the industry and still be shitting out the usual drivel, just on a sustainable budget.
 
I'll happily watch a new Bond, but it should be a period-accurate 60s and 70s. Bring back the Communists and SPECTRE shenanigans with vintage 60s and 70s cheese and I'm in.
Done. Give me a couple of hundred mill and I’ll give you a prime 60s bond, with period accurate sets, clothes and attitudes, Bond girls and chases and arched eyebrows galore. I’ll need a few months in the Caribbean/Antarctic/lake como to film it mind… things will blow up, bikinis will be tiny, the bond girls will be attractive and bond will be a suave bastard. The villain will be some kind of dastardly communist space laser volcano hideout or whatever. Maybe a chase on a soviet leaders train or something. It’ll be great.
It stuns me how they can get bond wrong. There’s no joy in cinema any more. It’s all like one big struggle session telling you how you’re wrong in thought and deed and even what you are.
 
You give me Vin Diesel in some sort of G Gundam lunacy and I'll show up at the midnight launch.
Vin Diesel as Char and Paul Walkers CGI corpse aa Amuro in a live action imagining of the original Gundam series.
 
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