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It would be nice to include abnormal ones, at least give them a visual idea of what students might be dealing with by visually looking on the outside. It would make for very good exploratory exercises too.
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Plus it apparently increases their understanding of the absolute horror show inside their patient's bodies in a way they won't forget. You read about fat packed organs, compression of tissues, just the distortion of what fat physically does, but seeing it? It's one of the things that makes fat doctor so insane, she sits there and claims things don't exist that you literally can see with your own fucking eyes.
The is dumb aa fuck to not realize what it stumbled on is "humans learn when they see examples of the consequences'. For them to understand one of the most common and normalized diseases in that level is great. Yay for fatphobia. I have no idea how they missed the spin that this is just students reacting well to a very vivid lesson and reallllly having it sink in.
It reduces the odds of being worn down by HAES or shrugging off patient weight, which is going to mean better care and less feelings-sparing distortion of reality. No telling Mrs. Jones her foie gras liver is an incurable mystery, or explaining to Mr. Smith there's nothing to be done about knee pain while the scale sits in the dumpster, those doctors are going to keep prescribing the solution and trying to save lives.
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I think the same is true of the emaciated bodies that have obviously been put through the wringer at the end of life. It's (hopefully) a lot harder to prescribe futile interventions when you know what that kind of suffering looks like up close.
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It has been known for well over a year that COVID infection is linked to an increase in Type 2 diabetes diagnoses. More and more studies are being released showing a correlation, and I have personally witnessed it among patients with no family history or genetic risk, and who are not obese (one was mildly overweight.)
In addition, people who were previously diagnosed but who were well controlled through diet and exercise are suddenly not so well controlled, and are ending up requiring oral antidiabetic medications or even insulin within months after COVID infections.
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Yep, true dat:
Several studies have linked COVID-19 to diabetes, including one from The Lancet published in May 2022 that included over 180,000 subjects.
Researchers found that people who survived COVID-19 had a 40 percent higher risk for developing diabetes.
...this bit is interesting, tho:
Investigators also looked at participants according to vaccination status, and the link between COVID-19 and diabetes was only found among unvaccinated participants.
...also, co-morbidly fat.
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Here is the study itself. Interesting reading.
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It could be that people who had a serious case of covid and need follow-up care are just going to the doctor more and getting their blood tested while they are there, and so they are getting diagnosed. There is some horrendously high number of people who don't know they are prediabetic or diabetic. Almost everyone is fat and sick, and surrounded by other people who are fat and sick, so they don't even notice the beetus creeping up.
That might explain the discrepancy between vaccinated and non-vaccinated people as well, since vaccinated people would be more likely to have gone to the doctor more before getting covid (and conversely, people who know they are diabetic might be more likely to have gotten vaccinated, because they knew they were more at risk.)
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Evies dog has gone over the rainbow bridge. She will be in a better place now where shes not not being fed to obesity or being ignored as the feeder husband bulks up evie. The chocolate chip cookies comment is worrysome considering she would make random comments the dog was having seizures due to something no one could explain could she have been giving her chocolate before?
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No it's because math is just another tool of the patriarchy to keep women down.
The last thing this fat bitch needs is more cake.
Back in final year of high school biology we had to dissect an animal and they were either cats or rabbits. And the reason they had both was as a way for the student to see the difference on how the biology of a herbivore and carnivore were different. So I would think having a fatass in the class that you can see the difference would be interesting. The issue is that it would take twice as long to cut them open as it would a normal sized person.
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OT, but my word, I'd skip this class as if my life depends on it. I just wouldn't be able to touch dead animals and it's such a cultural shock that this is normal practice in us.
I'd just cry my eyes out and be miserable for the whole class duration, US teens must be hella mentally strong to be prepared for that.
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Yeah some people skipped that class and I totally get it. But for me the worst part of it was the smell of the formaldehyde. More than one person had to walk outside the class to get out of the smell for a few moments.
It also helped that you didn't really think of it as a dead thing but a teaching aid.
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Man, I remember dissecting comatose frogs, the class witnessing a pig dissection, and dissecting a cow's eyeball... I found it fascinating.
But I also got to help with setup of cadavers when I worked for a medical university during a summer break (had family that worked there, so had an 'in'). The heads used for the dentistry students... those weren't bad. But the full corpses used in the medical arena were a /pain/. Especially the larger ones, and we didn't even get the uberchunkos - only some pretty large gents.
Considering how floppy and unwieldy the corpse of an overweight man is when trying to get him laid out for dissection, I can't imagine having to stage an obese corpse. Nor having to perform the dissection. I mean, having watched a couple of dissections while waiting for hours to line up with my family to have a meal together, it looked awkward enough to keep body flaps open and the innards of the corpse presented without tons slabs of greasy fat compounding the difficulty.
But I also got to help with setup of cadavers when I worked for a medical university during a summer break (had family that worked there, so had an 'in'). The heads used for the dentistry students... those weren't bad. But the full corpses used in the medical arena were a /pain/. Especially the larger ones, and we didn't even get the uberchunkos - only some pretty large gents.
Considering how floppy and unwieldy the corpse of an overweight man is when trying to get him laid out for dissection, I can't imagine having to stage an obese corpse. Nor having to perform the dissection. I mean, having watched a couple of dissections while waiting for hours to line up with my family to have a meal together, it looked awkward enough to keep body flaps open and the innards of the corpse presented without tons slabs of greasy fat compounding the difficulty.
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Medkiwis said before there are not any obese-obese specifically for the reasons you mentioned — it is hard, fat is slippery, and organs are abnormal.
I never had a chance but I think I'd be more okay with human cadaver rather than an animal, because they unconsciously get put on the same level as children to me so emotions start to prevail over the curiosity and desire to learn.
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You joke, but I've legit seen people argue 2+2=5 and that math is racist because the majority of mathmaticians are white.
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We did cats and fetal pigs in my AP anatomy class. We also had trunks of human bones we would take home to study with before a test. But it was seriously a hardcore class. You learn a lot in such a short amount of time .
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Oh I've seen it too and I tend to counter that with the fact that the Muslims invented the zero, algebra and named half the stars in the sky. And if they really argue I point to Aryabhata who was a 5th century Indian mathematician and one of the first to determine that Pi was irrational. Fact is anybody who calls math "racist" or bad due to white folk is an idiot.
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Jordan thread has been updated with new videos, but I figured this one was worth a crosspost:
Fran goes hiking:
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Okay maybe I am stupid but HEADS? Tell me they were mannequin heads and not human ones. If they are human ones do they decapitate the head or you just work on the head while the body is still intact. God damn I have so many questions.
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Nope, not mannequin heads. Decapitated heads. They come packed in styrofoam boxes separate from bodies, and are shipped directly to the dental school portion of the university I used to work at. (And no, I don't know what becomes of the rest of the body - the bodies we received for the medical wing were whole, and heads arrived all on their lonesome at the dental wing.)
ETA: In fact, this may be the only viable cadaver donation that uberfatties can participate in, now that I think about it. Sure, there's egregious amounts of fat in their floppy faces, but it can't be as terrible to work with. (I dunno, didn't stick around in the dental school side to watch those students work on those days where I stayed past staging, because the medical side was more fascinating to me.)