Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Geranium]

Apologies for double-posting, but I stumbled across something entirely different.

Leigh Day, a UK law firm, is considering suing the NHS over delays in providing phalloplasty and metoidioplasty (and the inevitable revisions) to trans-identified females:

Leigh Day is investigating claims on behalf of trans men and non-binary people in relation to significant delays in receiving phalloplasty and metoidioplasty surgeries. This includes delays in commencing the first stage of their surgery, or delays in receiving a repair. Our clients tell us that they were not informed of the risk of any delays and would not have consented to undergoing surgery if they had known. Many patients have been waiting in-between surgeries for years.

Delays in gender affirming surgeries | Leigh Day (archive)

Couldn't help but laugh at this bit:

Those affected have been living with serious consequences including ambiguous genitalia, physical pain, and poor mental health. We have also heard how it has negatively impacted their personal relationships, work life, and led to increased gender dysphoria.

Not something that's going to improve with more surgeries.

 

[Poonocchio]

Many patients have been waiting in-between surgeries for years.

Lol, good luck with that, I've been waiting 3 years now for a neurologist appointment on the NHS. It's under massive pressure like has never been seen, these fucking entitled cunts man. Pay for your own fucking cosmetic butchery, jfc. I expect most of these Pooners also have never worked a day in their lives and even paid into the NHS as well. Piss boiling behaviour.

 

[Positron]

A friend and I joked about this. She had one breast removed because of cancer. She wanted the other removed as well since the type of cancer she had is highly likely to reoccur. Initially her insurance didn’t want to cover it, so we joked that if she said she was trans she could get it removed no questions asked.

I know your friend was joking but seriously don't. We've all seen the handiwork of Gallagher and her ilk. They are bound to leave out a lot of breast tissues, and the scars they cause might make screening in the future difficult.

 

[batteredpancakes]

Another smell post. This time by a TiF.

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Spoiler: Text

the smell

i think there's been posts like this before but its a lot

when my pants are up its not very noticeable but when I'm using the restroom especially its a lot. Most is the weird coagulation of blood on my split thickness thigh area, some from stained bandages i have to leave alone, but damn its a lot. its not rotten or anything id be worried about infection, its just a vaguely stinky almost chemical smell somewhere between chlorine and methane. i knew i wouldn't be a fan but it makes me feel more unclean than i actually am

One of the few advantages that the TiFs have over the TiMs is that the smell mostly goes away once everything heals.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

This really could be dark, though. It's like the "they'll use your birth name when they bury you" meme, except unless this was the world's most proactive 20-something, it's going to be the parents making the care decisions.

The parents will be decorating her room, telling the staff at the LTC what name to call their daughter, her interests, what music and TV channels she likes to have on, providing the clothes to dress her.

I'm picturing this but with a full grown "transmasc" instead of a neonate:



You see a 50ish woman trudging down the hospital corridor. Waiting for the elevator, you think, she looks like an aging Janeane Garafalo. She's carrying a big bag from a department store and you can see pink tulle poking out the top. Maybe she's going to see her new granddaughter for the first time.

The realization begins to sink in with horror as you see her head to the the adult ICU. She's going into a room labeled "Smith, Ayden Q."

From the hallway you can see a pinkish glow radiating above the fluorescent hum and you hear T. Swift's voice emanating between the sighs of the vent.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I'm picturing this but with a full grown "transmasc" instead of a neonate:

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You see a 50ish woman trudging down the hospital corridor. Waiting for the elevator, you think, she looks like an aging Janeane Garafalo. She's carrying a big bag from a department store and you can see pink tulle poking out the top. Maybe she's going to see her new granddaughter for the first time.

The realization begins to sink in with horror as you see her head to the the adult ICU. She's going into a room labeled "Smith, Ayden Q."

From the hallway you can see a pinkish glow radiating above the fluorescent hum and you hear T. Swift's voice emanating between the sighs of the vent.

One of the only times I would find myself on Team Pooner is if they sent in a crack team of manly king bros on a mercy mission to sneak into the hospital (bypassing security by hiding under gurneys, because they are all under four feet tall) and smothered poor Aiden to death with a knitted packer.

I was looking up state-of-art methods on phalloplasty (as one does...) and I came across this particular publication. I remembered someone asking if it's possible to simply get tissue expanders for RFFF to avoid the gnarly arm, some dozen pages ago. I don't remember if it was answered in the end, but here it is anyway if people are curious:

TLDR: No. Well, kinda. They just keep fucking it up.

I am dying to know why the complications were so bad. I took a quick look at the average complication rate for expanders. This study from Brazil in 2002 lists a 22% complication rate.

Maybe the limbs are just a harder place to do it? On the other hand, troons are notoriously non-compliant patients. On the other hand, gender surgeons are not sending their best.

 

[batteredpancakes]

SATISFACTION WAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN EXPANDED AND NON-EXPANDED ROTDOGS. LOL, FUCKING LMFAO, EVEN

This actually doesn't surprise me at all.
Based on what I see on r/phallo, most are at worst indifferent about the arm scar. The ones who would dislike the scarring just opt for other methods.
With the ones who get RFF, they all seem to revel in getting the arm scar. Like it was some kind of badge of honor; a battle wound. A "trans rite" as Exulansic would say.

Evidence can be seen in a single post made 2 weeks ago

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Anyone else never been bothered by the arm scar with rff?

I don’t mean to downplay how people may feel about potential scarring or the scars they already have but I’m just curious if anyone else feels the same way. The idea of having a noticeable scar has never even been on my radar as a concern. I’m very impressed with what I’ve seen from other people and honestly I think the scar looks kinda cool. I think the only thing that might bother me is having a very distinct divot between the scar and the rest of my arm but I’m a pretty average weight so hopefully that wont be a big issue.

Some comments

I know the post is referencing RFF, but I wear shorts all the time with ALT and love the way my donor site looks. The way it scarred looks like snake skin, and it's a nice, smooth texture. Not everyone feels that way about their donor site, but I love mine!

I've never been bothered by my scars! I think they're badass. I'm less gung-ho about showing off my top surgery scars, since they could get me clocked, but the rest? Love 'em. Not only do my arm and leg look wicked, but all the scarring around my torso too. The arm is just the most visible, so I've grown rather fond of it from seeing it all the time. I love its leathery feeling.

I think my scar looks cool!

oh no, I'm amped about it. never bothered by the idea at all. I'm only a couple weeks post op, not in scar territory yet. to me it feels more like flagging, since way more trans people than cis people would really put 2 and 2 together imo

The only negative comments are from TiFs who are primarily concerned about the clockability of the scars. Concerns over function seems to be very low on the list.
Hilariously including some post-ops that are very salty that awareness about these surgeries has increased causing them to now be clocked.

I don't think the scar is inherently bad, but I'm stealth and don't want a very visible scar that could out me. A lot of my close friends are queer or trans and I think they'd recognize the scar.

Yeah, I hate it. It’s the only thing that’s ever gotten me clocked. Granted they was only twice but still. (Not looking for advice on how to hide it or fix it, I do just fine)

Yeah. I don't feel weird or bad about it until I hear how awful & clock able other people find it.
Personally, I got more comments on my arm when I wore a sleeve than when I dont

I don't mind how any scars look, I just wish people would stop trying to make it such a visibly "trans" thing. At least people can have the scar for multiple reasons so if anyone attempts to clock you you can play dumb and make them look like an asshole. I'm definitely not going to change the graft site I've been set on for years just because of other people.

It's major scarring that can clock you. The increased media coverage of trans people had led to top surgery and bottom surgery scars to be recognisible to your average conservative anti-trans joe. While I pass with clothes, as soon as I take my shirt off people will assume I am trans because of the scars.

...it draws unwanted attention from people and can make me more easily clockable. I like to blend into the crowd in general, but I like to stay hidden even more when it comes to my trans identity based on some severely negative experiences in my past.

If I ever find a TiF with an arm scar in public, I intend to "innocently and loudly" ask about their phalloplasty and act like it's common knowledge to know about the arm scar.

 

[TruffleSpark]

doesn't getting all the flesh removed also fuck up the blood circulation though? like even if they are fine with the aesthetics of the scar it's still super bad for them

 

[Positron]

doesn't getting all the flesh removed also fuck up the blood circulation though? like even if they are fine with the aesthetics of the scar it's still super bad for them

These people are vain. They care about looks, not function.

 

[monstrous bubo]

The only negative comments are from TiFs who are primarily concerned about the clockability of the scars.

Yeah, the scar is absolutely the only giveaway of a li’l pooner.

 

[Autistic Joe]

In simpler terms, the skin from the dick and balls--like other skin--produces sloughed outer layer of skin (keratin), sebum ("oil"), and sweat.

As is to be expected, stinkditches are colonized with (uncircumcised) dick bacteria since they are constructed from penile skin. The dick microbiome is transferred to the neovagina when it is constructed, and the products of the dick and balls skin nourish it.

The rotpocket is basically a smegma hot pocket. So feminine. Remember even doctors can't tell the difference!

 

[batteredpancakes]

doesn't getting all the flesh removed also fuck up the blood circulation though?

RFF removes the radial artery so there is less circulation in the arm. This is why some get rejected due to failing the Allen's test.

This largely won't cause any serious complications as it's well understood to be expendable and is pretty typically used in other surgeries requiring an artery.
Quite a few have noted that their arm gets cold more but that's probably due to the lack of fat more than anything.

 

[Fëanor Curufinwë]

In light of the recent paper claiming a 0% regret rate for double mastectomies for trans-identified women, I thought this bit at the bottom of an article on lobotomy was quite relevant:

The strange and curious history of lobotomy - BBC News (archive)

Sorry for offtopic but what the hell is wrong with this BBC article? I am only a filthy ESL but this doesn't sound right to me:

He says the operation could have dramatic benefits for some patients, including one who was terrified of fire. "Funnily enough she finished up after I had done the operation very much better, but she went and bought herself a fish and chip shop with grossly hot oil in it."

They had been lobectimised 30-40 years ago, they were chronic schizophrenics and they were often the ones were some of the most apathetic, slow, knocked-off patients," he says.

 

[Det. Frank Washington Esq]

Here's some old Troons being canaries in the coal mine. You want long term studies...? Three examples so far. 100% regret.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

The arm scars are like the zippertits, they love showing them off and making people uncomfortable (then squealing transphobia when they’re asked about them). It’s like conspicuous self-harm, done for attention.

 

[Milktowst]

...Woah, I trekked away from the thread for a bit but felt the need to catch up today. Sometimes, as much as I hate to say it, I forget that at its core; trannyism is blatantly unscientific. I suppose because I keep seeing all kinds of headlines, "hopes" and "experts" saying otherwise. Not gonna lie, my constant and never ending over examination of my thoughts and what not lead me to fall for the okey-doke at one point, mostly because of it being plastered all over the media as absolute truth. I'm the one who brings the occasional insane and bad news about mtf womb hunters. Unfortunately I've had the displeasure of running into people like that online once more recently.
Perhaps it's just me but, it seems to be a fairly chunky talking point as of late? UAB recently commented on it, or an "expert" there all because another natal woman was successful in giving birth to a baby, so they brought up hopes of offering it to troons in the future.

Just like the women's hospital in Sydney or whatever months ago. I even dug up a study about UTx in natal women for my studies because this genuinely confuses me and I seek to understand it, I think it may have been by pubmed; but the article mentioned doing it in transwomen bodies too, and went off to list off how women and transwomen are pretty darn similar in terms of biological construction and how just a few animal tests and trials should sort it out or taking organs from dead bodies (I thought organs had to be "alive" to make them eligible for transplantation). Stupid "my daddy has a baby in his belly" garbage too. A writer in the AMA also wanted insurance to cover such a procedure and noted how it could be for transwomen who wanted to have babies and for ones that just wanted to "affirm their gender" (I thought UTx were removed after birth and are not cosmetic).

It seems the more I research the great and intricate ways a woman maintains pregnancy and all the factors included (including her general physiology, endocrine system, every single cell in her body is female/xx) the more I begin to run in circles. Is there something we don't know that they don't, or is it all bullshit? It's always "in a few years" we'll be able to give transwomen a uterus transplant (implant) and bam you're a mom now. In order for a uterus transplant to be deemed successful, doesn't the woman have to get a period? Is that out the window? I also never seem to find concrete information about Lili Elbe or who's-his-face, it's always up in the air about what killed him and how long it took.

Despite it all, I am seriously wondering, are these scientists or experts simply science-activists? Do they have any true understanding of the human body and how men and women differ in almost countless ways? I wish I could find it again, but I saw a post of a TIM saying how sad he was that he'll never experience pregnancy and another came in and said something along the lines that TIMs have already given birth multiple times- only to proceed to post a link addressing actual females. This journey through the troon and Hippocratic oath destroyers' mind is one I decided to try to understand years ago, because it kinda frightens me in a "man that is disturbed and I hope I don't have to see it" way. I seek to understand was squicks me out I guess, maybe I shouldn't.

But I think being sickened by this is a normal reaction for anyone. As I've said before, if you're sane.
If any med kiwis wanna comment or non-med kiwis wanna comment I'd be happy to read because all of this itches my brain in the most foul, knowledge seeking ways possible.

**Edit: Is this madness a psyop? What the actual hell is going on in the world anymore.

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Stay safe kiwis, happy body mutilation horror hunting.

 

[batteredpancakes]

u/t_briggs24 has posted some phallo images.
I thought I was looking at two phallus's initially.

Spoiler: It was just the weird fauxicles

They must default to that position until she manually spreads them out like in the last pic.
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This post feels a bit vulnerable, but I’ve been seeing more and more questions about phalloplasty without vaginectomy and a lot of curiosity about what that looks like. Usually most of my pics that I post for educational purposes are more focused on my penis and scrotum, but I figured pics of these angles might be helpful for folks who are interested in this type of setup. The first and second pics are laying down with legs spread a bit. The third pic is legs a little closer together. And the last pic is from below when I was kneeling. A couple answers to common questions:

• Yes, it does feel tighter post op for me because of scar tissue.
• Yes, I can still receive and enjoy penetration although I mostly sleep with cis women so it’s usually fingers and sometimes toys
• No, I did not have UL. I had scrotoplasty and meta as my first surgery (didn’t think I wanted/needed phallo at the time) and I personally didn’t feel that the desire to stand to pee outweighed the increased risks of complications that go with performing UL without vaginectomy. I’m open to other questions but I also have several other posts on my profile documenting the various stages of my phallo journey so those might be helpful to look at too.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

Has this been posted here before? Not surgery but terrible results from unethical medical care:

https://n.neurology.org/content/100/17_Supplement_2/2660

An otherwise healthy 23-year-old transgender male on one year of testosterone therapy presented in an obtunded state. Examination revealed complete quadriplegia with sparing of vertical eye movements, consistent with locked-in syndrome. ... Unfortunately, the patient was out of the time window for any acute stroke interventions.​

This 23-year-old woman, who is now conscious but completely paralyzed except for vertical eye movements, must be extremely happy that she was able to have her gender affirmed using safe and effective treatments.

Gee golly, if only someone could have predicted that since testosterone increases cartilage growth, strokes and heart attacks would be more common. Leaping lizards! It's like this nightmarish existence could have been prevented! Oh well, let's keep injecting teen girls with this poison.

 

[Imp]

u/t_briggs24 has posted some phallo images.
I thought I was looking at two phallus's initially.

Spoiler: It was just the weird fauxicles

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They must default to that position until she manually spreads them out like in the last pic.
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I see another thumb in pic one. I thought that our pooner was holding her little doggy and the head of her arm roll was her thumbnail. 12/10 for nausea

 

[On a Journey]

It seems the more I research the great and intricate ways a woman maintains pregnancy and all the factors included (including her general physiology, endocrine system, every single cell in her body is female/xx) the more I begin to run in circles. Is there something we don't know that they don't, or is it all bullshit? It's always "in a few years" we'll be able to give transwomen a uterus transplant (implant) and bam you're a mom now.

It’s complete bullshit. Way back in the thread, @autoerotic bus accident made this great list of reasons that male uterine transplants will not work:

While troons are clearly desperate to steal uteruses, society will have pod-grown humans before male pregnancies. Women in the far future may have to worry about it, if industrialized society lasts that long, but everyone old enough to be reading this can take a deep breath.

(Plastic surgeons who claim they are on the cusp or have "plans" to perform the procedure are lying for clout and free publicity. The media is retarded, so it always works.)

Below I made a non-exhaustive list of a few reasons male uterine implants/male pregnancy can't imminently happen, which you can reference to argue with troons online if you so choose.