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And your thinking is that, for example, people should just ignore the gay pride flags in Spider-Man, right? It's a small part of the game that doesn't even effect gameplay, so that's just fine?
Cannot believe I'm saying this. Where does Spider-Man take place in? NYC. One of the most progressive cities in America today. Technically, it would make sense. It's like being shocked that there are swastikas in a WW2 game.
 
It's like being shocked that there are swastikas in a WW2 game.
"There you are playing the PvP in your World War II shooter and all of the sudden you're a Nazi. You didn't ask for this, you didn't choose this, yet there it is and it's treated no differently than playing a British soldier. This is bad on so many levels."
 
And your thinking is that, for example, people should just ignore the gay pride flags in Spider-Man, right? It's a small part of the game that doesn't even effect gameplay, so that's just fine? We should only maybe care if Spider-Man says "trans rights" at the end of each sentence?
Unironically yes.

NYC is pretty gay. It has gay pride flags. Do I like it? No, but that's how NYC is so I'm not going to get mad about it. (there's plenty of other shit worth getting upset about when it comes to mediocre Sony Spider-Man tbqh)

Now if this took place in 70's NYC, it'd be a different story.

I would say that the response to the mod that removed them was more woke than the flags on their own IMO.
 
The response to the mod that removed them was more woke than the flags on their own IMO
But that's just it - if the fag flags weren't overtly political, then why did their removal by a modder provoke such an insane chimpout?

If the flags were only there because it's a reflection of real-life New York and not as a political statement, then removal of them shouldn't have been any more controversial than any other trivial cosmetic mod.
 
If the flags were only there because it's a reflection of real-life New York and not as a political statement, then removal of them shouldn't have been any more controversial than any other trivial cosmetic mod.
The mod being removed doesn't make it a political statement of the game since the mod was removed by Nexus/Mod DB due to woke mob pressure I'm pretty sure.

If Sony/Insomniac forced it to be taken down, then never mind.
 
Cannot believe I'm saying this. Where does Spider-Man take place in? NYC. One of the most progressive cities in America today. Technically, it would make sense. It's like being shocked that there are swastikas in a WW2 game.
Oh, I forgot Spider-Man was shooting for absolute realism, surely THAT'S their intent and it's not at all politically motivated. I wasn't born yesterday, and I won't pretend to think their inclusion was a neutral act in furtherance of accuracy.

Unironically yes.

NYC is pretty gay. It has gay pride flags. Do I like it? No, but that's how NYC is so I'm not going to get mad about it. (there's plenty of other shit worth getting upset about when it comes to mediocre Sony Spider-Man tbqh)

Now if this took place in 70's NYC, it'd be a different story.

I would say that the response to the mod that removed them was more woke than the flags on their own IMO.
See above.
 
Oh, I forgot Spider-Man was shooting for absolute realism, surely THAT'S their intent and it's not at all politically motivated. I wasn't born yesterday, and I won't pretend to think their inclusion was a neutral act in furtherance of accuracy.
I really tend to agree. Assuming they're only there out of a dedication to a realistic depiction of New York is giving the benefit of the doubt where it's absolutely not deserved.
 
Oh, I forgot Spider-Man was shooting for absolute realism, surely THAT'S their intent and it's not at all politically motivated. I wasn't born yesterday, and I won't pretend to think their inclusion was a neutral act in furtherance of accuracy.
I mean, it's 2010s NYC. I'd be MORE surprised if there wasn't Pride flags flying about. Another example: Watch Dogs 2 takes place in present day San Francisco. What's there? Nudity, Pride flags, smog, gangs, electric vehicles, overpriced coffee shops. Just like the real San Francisco.

Your argument is invalid.
 
I mean, it's 2010s NYC. I'd be MORE surprised if there wasn't Pride flags flying about.
I guess just ignore my entore post and repeat yourself.

Another example: Watch Dogs 2 takes place in present day San Francisco. What's there? Nudity, Pride flags, smog, gangs, electric vehicles, overpriced coffee shops. Just like the real San Francisco.

Your argument is invalid.
I haven't played that so I can't speak on it really.

Edit: Technically I haven't played Spiderman either for the record, but I did watch gameplay and read about it and such. I know very little about Watch Dogs.
 
I guess just ignore my entore post and repeat yourself.
It bears repeating. Your gripe with SpiderMan (PS4) is that there are Pride flags in its NYC setting. Does it affect the story? Does it affect gameplay? Does it affect the lore? No. You can argue the artistic direction, but it being politically motivated in itself doesn't make sense. Again, it's 2010s NYC.

Here's another example. The Destroy All Humans! reboot is a homage of 50s Americano, right down to its parodical hysteria on communism via the Red Scare. Of course, it's integral to the world building so it fits.
 
It bears repeating. Your gripe with SpiderMan (PS4) is that there are Pride flags in its NYC setting.
It bears repeating, you didn't address my original reply at all and are just screeching that it's New York.

Does it affect the story?
It doesn't need to directly do so to be annoying.

Does it affect gameplay?
No amount of wokeness could affect systems and mechanics, Mario could be a gay nigger and collect cum jars to eat instead of mushrooms and it would still be mechanically sound but no longer any fun to play (at least not unironically).

Does it affect the lore?
Again, it doesn't need to turn the lore upside down to be a problem either.

You can argue the artistic direction, but it being politically motivated in itself doesn't make sense. Again, it's 2010s NYC.
If it doesn't make sense then you should have a better refutation than "it's New York".

Here's another example. The Destroy All Humans! reboot is a homage of 50s Americano, right down to its parodical hysteria on communism via the Red Scare. Of course, it's integral to the world building so it fits.
Unless you're arguing that the gay flag was included to parody New York or that DAH included communism because it was social commentary in support/against it, then your comparison is unequal and falls apart because it's inconsistent.
 
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Your gripe with SpiderMan (PS4) is that there are Pride flags in its NYC setting. Does it affect the story? Does it affect gameplay? Does it affect the lore? No.
Yes, but my other gripe with SpiderMan (PS4) is that the webslinging STILL ISN'T AS GOOD AS FUCKING SPIDERMAN 2 FROM 2004 WHAT THE FUCK?!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem.
 
You're really annoyed by a visual easter egg that you would have to search for in an open world superhero game?
Considering what the flag stands for, yes. It is obviously objectionable to a reasonable, sane person.

This is the equivalent of trannies being upset at GTA V over a couple lines of dialogue that indirectly insults their way of life.
No, actually, that's a false equivalence because of the inherent differences in both. Transgenderism is bad, so if a couple lines may insult them, then good.

A flag which represents the mutilation of children and violation of the sanctity of marriage should not be present unless absolutely necessary, and you haven't made a compelling argument for that case.

Or being upset that Far Cry 5 doesn't take a stance with politics because it takes place in rural America.
Don't know shit about FC5, but I heard it's pretty woke. I didn't look into it though. You implying it's not is making me think it probably is.

Here is the thing though, just because it is annoying doesn't mean it makes the game itself woke.

I'm not even arguing the game isn't woke, mind you. But I don't think the flag in isolation is the thing to call the game woke.
So your threshold for something being woke is higher, you're basically the kind of person who thinks it's fine that there's an easter egg in A Hat In Time for the tranny flag, right?

That's fine I guess, but I have damn near zero tolerance for this shit. Intent matters to a certain degree, I often cite Metal Gear's inclusion of fags as a permissible type. Vamp wasn't a fag to make a statement or push an agenda, he was a weird vampire who fits as a fag.

A pride flag is an overt political statement, any game featuring it not on fire can fuck off.
 
So your threshold for something being woke is higher, you're basically the kind of person who thinks it's fine that there's an easter egg in A Hat In Time for the tranny flag, right?
Let's say there is a game that takes place in Nazi Germany that features swastikas. Is this a political statement on its own? Does this mean the developers show support for the Nazi party if it's just a part of the level design? Or is this just something that makes sense to be in the location and time the game takes place in?

Yes, my threshold is higher, but your example is a baffling one when you're saying "intent matters" in the same post. A piece of level art that fits in with the location and time period is far different than a tranny flag being in a completely made up world. I have no doubt that people on the Spider-Man team support fags and trannies, but pointing to that single piece of level design actively takes away from the more annoying shit in the game that is woke.

Is Spider-Man woke? Yeah, but it's because of the entire package (Mary Jane being changed to a stubborn boss bitch is a better example IMO) and not the fag flag being in the game.

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Considering what the flag stands for, yes. It is obviously objectionable to a reasonable, sane person.
So is it okay now when developers remove Nazi symbolism and iconography in World War II games?
 
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You rarely notice this stuff unless your specifically going out your way to look for it or it doesn’t take up too much of the game for it to be distracting.
You don't need to go out of your way to notice woke shit, and it doesn't need to take up a significant chunk of a piece of media for it to be noticed either. If you arent numb to all the clown shit it's very easy to spot.
 
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