Writer's Guild Strike of 2023 - Fuck these people

What is worse?

  • A consoomer, who produces nothing, devours everything, and will threaten you if you dare disturb the

    Votes: 87 15.3%

  • The one who's work is to forever feed the consoomer?

    Votes: 25 4.4%

  • Feed them all to feral pigs

    Votes: 456 80.3%
  • Total voters
    568
One more word on copyright apropos of Hollywood: There isn't anything fundamentally different between media and any other industry, let alone ones that require "artistic" input (architecture, food, fashion, dancing, etc.)

Working as a creative is just another job bound by supply and demand; you either provide value or you don't. One is not entitled to a guaranteed stream of revenue anymore than chefs deserve monopolies on the dishes they invent.

In the case of Hollywood here, they've milked their franchise monopolies for all they're worth. They're like the restaurant with a legal monopoly on making and selling burgers; competition's been distorted, and it's no longer a matter of who's making the best burgers, but only who's making burgers.

It's not surprising that large swaths of Hollywood radiate petulance and entitlement. Their whole industry's been treated with kid gloves like copyright among other legalities that it's stunted in stagnation and now decline.

Edit: Corrected formatting and grammar for clarity.
 
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Omnium Ultimatus said:
One more word on copyright apropos of Hollywood: There isn't anything fundamentally different between media and any other industry, let alone ones that require "artistic" input (architecture, food, fashion, dancing, etc..)

Working as a creative is just another job bound by supply and demand; you either provide value or you don't. One is not entitled to a guaranteed stream of revenue any more than chefs deserve monopolies over the dishes they invent.

In the case of Hollywood here, they've milked their franchise monopolies for all they're worth. They're like the restaurant with a legal monopoly on making and selling burgers; competition's been distorted, and it's no longer a matter of who's making the best burgers, but only who's making burgers.

It's not surprising that large swaths of Hollywood radiate petulance and entitlement. Their whole industry's been treated with kid gloves like copyright among other legalities that it's stunted in stagnation and now decline.
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And as I said before: if there’s a way this’ll die, it won’t happen anywhere as fast as we’d like. No matter how much we talk about buying into #Comicsgate, indie products, or whatever comes out of Japan.
 
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One last reminder illustrates why the AMPTP’s current stance is irrational. As we have repeated from the first day of our first member meeting—and on every day of this strike--our demands are fair and reasonable, and the companies can afford them. Here is the cost to each company of our current asks on the table, including the addition of increased health funding to address the impact of the strike.

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Weigh this against the cost of not making a deal: the cost to 11,500 writers; to actors, crews and drivers; to anyone who works in and around the business but is not on strike; to the economies of California and New York and everywhere film and television is made; to consumers, pension plans and other shareholders; and to the companies themselves. It makes no sense. And everybody but the AMPTP knows it.
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"AMPTP's current stance is irrational"

May I argue that AMPTP is perfectly rational from their own standpoint? The longer they keep the parasites starving, the lower they have to pay down the road. Why should they care about the economies of Cali and New York when these are public costs to be externalized? What the studio boss need to do -- and they by and large succeeded in doing -- is to keep generating revenue so they'd look good to investors.

MovieBob loves to claim most of Disney's revenue comes from the parks, and indeed none of the big name studios earn their keep solely through TV and movies. I doubt shareholders would yell at them.
 
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Positron said:
"AMPTP's current stance is irrational"

May I argue that AMPTP is perfectly rational from their own standpoint? The longer they keep the parasites starving, the lower they have to pay down the road. Why should they care about the economies of Cali and New York when these are public costs to be externalized? What the studio boss need to do -- and they by and large succeeded in doing -- is to keep generating revenue so they'd look good to investors.

MovieBob loves to claim most of Disney's revenue comes from the parks, and indeed none of the big name studios earn their keep solely through TV and movies. I doubt shareholders would yell at them.
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Given how damage has been done by Disney movies to their own ip. The parks are probably being put in a better spot by stuff like Snow White getting delayed.
 
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Ralph Barnhardt said:
The AMPTP broke the law by dumping their terms to the public...kinda...well maybe. One guy sorta thinks so
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two exchanges I'd like to highlight
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The AMPTP routinely ignore what's in their contracts. Routinely. So why doesn't the WGA sue?
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David Slack
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is convinced that the AMPTP broke the law because he read it in the LA Times. I actually hope they did so this becomes a retarded legal issue that never gets figured out and keeps the strikers in limbo for years. Muddy the waters, writers. You are, after all, the heroes of your own story.
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Alter Ego said:
I must interrupt your dumb, tangential argument to bring an update on the actual matter at hand. As previously promised, the WGA provided further information on the state of negotiations in light of the AMPTP's released proposal:

https://www.wgacontract2023.org/announcements/negotiations-update-8-24-23
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Something I find peculiar is the notion that the AMPTP committed some offense by publicly releasing their proposal. On the contrary, the WGA comes off to me as being scummy for apparently insisting that their own members (who are suffering greatly by being out of work, as we're constantly told) ought to be kept in the dark about where negotiations are at and what's currently being offered to them. It doesn't sound like working for the best interest of members as much as using them as pawns for the machinations of some inner circle. The AMPTP is also simply emulating how the WGA publicly showed their demands to begin with.

EDIT: Seriously, by what means is a member able to say "This is enough, I want to get back to work," considering the lack of information combined with the cult of "solidarity"? Members kicked this whole thing off by voting to strike in overwhelming number, but when is the vote to end it?
 
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Random Internet Person said:
Snow White has a release date already: March 22nd, 2024.
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Speaking of March 2024,


Dune Part 2, has been moved to March because of the strikes which is very dumb. I mean seriously it is not incomplete it is finished, why do you have to move it because the strikes keep on going until it gets cold in September in CA (but that is just me). But hey, maybe Dune Part 2 will crush Snow White Live-action remake. But bad news is that The Marvels will be filling up the theaters or worse nothing interesting will be plated during that month.

Heck, maybe the strikes will end in September, because this happened:

 
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Introvertigo said:
Speaking of March 2024,


Dune Part 2, has been moved to March because of the strikes which is very dumb. I mean seriously it is not incomplete it is finished, why do you have to move it because the strikes keep on going until it gets cold in September in CA (but that is just me). But hey, maybe Dune Part 2 will crush Snow White Live-action remake. But bad news is that The Marvels will be filling up the theaters or worse nothing interesting will be plated during that month.

Heck, maybe the strikes will end in September, because this happened:

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If you read the article. Both sides hired more/different agencies.

Disney makes most of their money on parks. And Comcast on cable. They have no reason to budge. Zaslav is the weak link here.
 
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Inafune Fanfiction said:
Fairly sure most of them are some kind of spook plant.
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If this film is to be believed, you are absolutely correct.
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They have a lot of receipts through FOIA, so I dont see any reason why they shouldnt be believed. Supposedly someone from the CIA wrote 80 pages of the treatment for a recent popular spy film (I forgot which one). The DoD also leaned heavily on the NCIS & JAG writers calling in a "big ask" to help rehabilitate their image during the armed forces sex assault scandal.
If any of the torrent averse want to see the full film, lmk where you want it uploaded.
 
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Introvertigo said:
Speaking of March 2024,


Dune Part 2, has been moved to March because of the strikes which is very dumb. I mean seriously it is not incomplete it is finished, why do you have to move it because the strikes keep on going until it gets cold in September in CA (but that is just me). But hey, maybe Dune Part 2 will crush Snow White Live-action remake. But bad news is that The Marvels will be filling up the theaters or worse nothing interesting will be plated during that month.

Heck, maybe the strikes will end in September, because this happened:

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It’s led by namesake Molly Levinson, a former political director at CNN and CBS turned strategic adviser for corporate clients with reputational and risk concerns. She’s also known for her work on behalf of the restaurant Comet Ping Pong, countering “Pizzagate,” as well as the U.S. Women’s National Soccer Team in its campaign for pay equity.
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They hired a good one. Obviously, she can't make normies care about shitty movies and tv shows. but she can definitely get hungry strikers to cave.

I'm interested in the strike again.
 
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Raging Golden Eagle raised a pretty good point. There is absolutely nothing stopping studios from making CGI models that don't have any particular actor's likeness. He said they could use AI to generate templates, but seeing as how CGI artists are somehow not on strike, they could also deepfake fictional faces onto extras and avoid actors' residuals entirely. Actors do not own the rights of Stable Diffusion faces.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Raging Golden Eagle raised a pretty good point. There is absolutely nothing stopping studios from making CGI models that don't have any particular actor's likeness. He said they could use AI to generate templates, but seeing as how CGI artists are somehow not on strike, they could also deepfake fictional faces onto extras and avoid actors' residuals entirely. Actors do not own the rights of Stable Diffusion faces.
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Except the studios don’t know how they’ll make money from it.
 
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Except the studios don’t know how they’ll make money from it.
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They don't know how to make money from animation? As long as they maintain a good relationship with CGI artists--which they won't because they're stupid--they can bypass SAG completely and not pay residuals for generic faces.
 
I don't feel bad after learning that it supposedly took people like Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Fallon a team of least 5-10 writers to come up shitty one-liners. And if you look at the current state of your average Pedowood film or tv show, the quality doesn't justify wage increases or whatever they're demanding.

Since I heard Disney is apparently looking to study AI and cut-costs, its not like the corporations really care either.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
They don't know how to make money from animation? As long as they maintain a good relationship with CGI artists--which they won't because they're stupid--they can bypass SAG completely and not pay residuals for generic faces.
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Then the hope becomes the studio behind the animation aspect doesn't go immediately bankrupt like the Tupac hologram at Coachella that performed with Snoop Dogg .
 
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