General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[thegooddoctor]

This is a website for laughing at idiots on the internet. It literally started, as well you know, out of laughing at Chris-Chan. There might be a lot of seething and theorising but it is first and foremost a gossip website.

For example, when I make a post about PhilosophyTube squeezing himself into an ill fitting latex bikini and eye fucking himself in the camera:
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I am not predominately doing it because I have something deep and meaningful to say about the right to individual liberty and the facilitation of relief for individuals experiencing gender dysphoria while counterbalancing the desire to protect single sex spaces for women and ensuring that the needs of others are respected in a holistic way. I am doing it because Ollie looks stupid and I am laughing at him.

This is the problem then, kf makes a lot of good points regarding a lot of transpeople i get it, but keep in mind an enormous amount of our content here is based on a shitposty, humorous vibe. With all the stupid opinions that the farms has and all the more staunchly unpleasant views that we have it’s not wonder we aren’t taken seriously. If people could really cut back on the more stupid and repulsive stuff that kf spouts we might be taken more seriously in educating people of the trans menace.

Calling people ugly and making edgy jokes about 41% or any wojack trans meme with that same ugly man in the trans flag hanging themselves or other obvious jokes just really cheapen any serious discussion of transgenderism and the culture it creates. I understand it’s all freedom and people will make edgy jokes yadda yadda but maybe an attempt at more serious discussion of transgenderism in a more mature way instead of all the channy style shitposting and retardation that we do here would lead to us being taken more seriously.

It’s a real shame that we can’t dial back the more moronic and shitposty parts of this site and have more thoughtful discussion about transpeople and their dangers because if we did people wouldn’t demonise the farms as much and maybe see the farms as a shining beacon of valuable information like they should.

 

[AnOminous]

It’s not that, I’m just tired of the transgender discussion here, it’s not about beliefs it’s like the only thing anyone talks about these days.

Maybe if those subhuman perverts quit trying to destroy the site every single day 24/7 and molesting children and shit, we'd find better topics.

It’s a real shame that we can’t dial back the more moronic and shitposty parts of this site and have more thoughtful discussion about transpeople and their dangers because if we did people wouldn’t demonise the farms as much and maybe see the farms as a shining beacon of valuable information like they should.

Maybe if you quit being such a lulz killing faggot people would dislike you less.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Maybe if those subhuman perverts quit trying to destroy the site every single day 24/7 and molesting children and shit, we'd find better topics.

Maybe if you quit being such a lulz killing faggot people would dislike you less.

Yeah maybe, those ones are bad. But like I said there are plenty of non terminally Ill trans people I’ve met who are chill and some don’t even give a shit about pronouns believe it or not! Keep in mind all the worst ones like keffals, Liz Dong Lily orchard the very worst ones that try to destroy this site and molest kids would all still be bad people even if they weren’t trans.

I have spoken to other MtF trans people on other servers aware of this sites existence and they all agree keffals and the worst trans lolcows are horrible people and give them a bad name. I do not understand the mental gymnastics people here have to go through to think every fucking trans person is as insane as the worst lolcows here. I think they have allowed the farms to filter their perception that the worst ones are terminally online and the vast majority of trans people are pretty harmless and really not worth getting mad over.

 

[GunCar Gary]

i've known a few trannies personally and knew of plenty more decades ago, long before the cult of gender chose them to be the sacred cow class. even before trannyism was a cult pushed on children it was always clear that trannies were complete nutjobs and either counter-culture sexual deviants or barely functioning munchies. even the "based" ones. and that was decades ago. the community has only gotten more disgusting as time has gone on

"trans visibility" is probably the worst end goal possible. for visibility to have a positive effect you need to have at least a few group members that don't look like disgusting clowns and thanks to the tranny community proclivities and immutable human biology even the best looking ones immediately elicit disgust from normal, healthy people

 

[AgendaPoster]

Yeah maybe, those ones are bad. But like I said there are plenty of non terminally Ill trans people I’ve met who are chill and some don’t even give a shit about pronouns believe it or not! Keep in mind all the worst ones like keffals, Liz Dong Lily orchard the very worst ones that try to destroy this site and molest kids would all still be bad people even if they weren’t trans.

I have spoken to other MtF trans people on other servers aware of this sites existence and they all agree keffals and the worst trans lolcows are horrible people and give them a bad name. I do not understand the mental gymnastics people here have to go through to think every fucking trans person is as insane as the worst lolcows here. I think they have allowed the farms to filter their perception that the worst ones are terminally online and the vast majority of trans people are pretty harmless and really not worth getting mad over.

Really?
Would these wholesome transfolXes be OK with being "misgendered", judged legally as their innate sex, expelled from opposing sex spaces, and sent for psychiatric delusional ideation treatment?

 

[AssignedEva]

With all the stupid opinions that the farms has and all the more staunchly unpleasant views that we have it’s not wonder we aren’t taken seriously.

Why do we need to become some sort of academic respectful website? This website is for laughing at idiots on the internet and on the side we have these spergatories. We honestly don't need to be taken seriously because mostly this website documents what idiots on the internet do themselves. They tell on themselves. The SRS horrors threads isn't fundementally KiwiFarms researching ways in which SRS could go wrong, it's just archiving various people going "oh no I'm shitting out my amhole, how could this have happened to me" over and over again (see: Landon Hiscock). How reverent we are about it is irrelevant to the fact we have archived over a decade of evidence that goes again a mainstream narrative.

We don't need to be taken seriously. We could be the most formal and polite website on the internet, and saying things like "trans woman actually aren't able to experience PMS, as that's caused by uterine cramping and trans women don't have a uterus. They might experience some sort of cyclical discomfort from their hormone injection cycling, but it's not PMS as they are unable to have a period" would get you shouted off the internet.

Seriously, Felix, if you think the matter is we're not behaving with enough comportment and you think the culture on KiwiFarms is so abhorrent and facile, why don't you do the opposite? Why not start posting TikTok videos about your nuanced take on how trans women are valid but they are not indistinguishable from cis women, and it's perfectly reasonable in some situations to draw a difference between trans women and cis women? How do you reckon that will go down?

 

[A Parroting Puppet]

Who is "we"? I'm a user of a forum. That doesn't make me into a "we" with anyone. This is liar-speak for "I'm one of you, so listen to me while I say how bad 'we' are and how 'we' 'should do better'". If you check out that thread you'll see a ton of concern trolling from this guy. He was even doxed recently.

I'm gonna be honest that I'm completely ignorant of who thegooddoctor is, but reading his posts here, this guy glows, hard.

You really expect sympathy for these mentally ill people when they:
- Took the very website you're reading off the clearnet for a while.
- Smeared the site hard for anyone who isn't reasonable and is willing to actually think for themselves.
- Want to invade women's space, leading to the rising rate of molestation in what used to be somewhat of a safe space for them.
- Really, do I need to point out more, in the KiwiFarms?

"Bu-but they aren't all the same."

Alright. Then tell me how many of them cool ones would accept what we post here? And the fact 99% of the people here find it to be a mental illness, and will not call them by their "preferred gender nouns"?

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

i just really don't like trannies man

 

[AnOminous]

I'm gonna be honest that I'm completely ignorant of who thegooddoctor is, but reading his posts here, this guy glows, hard.

Not really, he's been super-mega-doXXXXXXXXXXXed and he's just an autistic faggot.

 

[Surfin Terf]

Not really, he's been super-mega-doXXXXXXXXXXXed and he's just an autistic faggot.

Jesus Christ, I thought he was just trolling like dyn or something. I guess he actually does think that we're obligated to qualify each statement about trannies by clarifying that there might be a few who are just mildly mentally ill, but harmless.

 

[NerdShamer]

For example, when I make a post about PhilosophyTube squeezing himself into an ill fitting latex bikini and eye fucking himself in the camera:

Fuck you for forcing me to laugh so hard that I almost got an hernia.

Well that’s the problem then? Kiwi farmers believe that simply ‘coping’ being trapped with feelings of clearly profound anxiety and body dysmorphia and learning to just ‘accept’ their situation is not a healthy or practical one.

Well, let me put like this: Yes, it's tragic that they weren't born the exact way that they wanted. But there's quite an few things that can't be changed at all and your biological sex is one of them. Sure, there's the hormones and plastic surgery; but all it's doing is creating an illusion that isn't as flawless as they expect it to be.

The feelings of anxiety and body dysmorphia will still persist and could grow more agonising by the day. Dealing with anxiety through sheer coping and force of will without any proper medication or coping skills is simply not a good idea in the long run and simply 'coping' is ludicrous

Hey, not everyone can just run down the road to the magical witch doctor for an free bag of happy pills so they don't have to deal with the horrors of the modern world.

Yes, an lot of people feel like shit; but what's more important is that they usually find an way of either dealing with it or just taking it to their graves instead of making it society's problem.

But a lot of the stuff that kiwi farms criticises Transmen and women for like looking ugly, not passing well or being creepy or being obsessed with porn. These are not bad or sinful things in of themselves and are more simply matters of taste rather than objectively bad concepts themselves

They kind of are, especially if most of society has been conditioned to avoid publicly talking about porn and to take care of their own appearances

If people could really cut back on the more stupid and repulsive stuff that kf spouts we might be taken more seriously in educating people of the trans menace

Come on, Sigsegv's brand of shitposting never really killed anyone

 

[thegooddoctor]

Not really, he's been super-mega-doXXXXXXXXXXXed and he's just an autistic faggot.

True, but the points I have made earlier are solid, yeah the trans nonsense has caused an enormous amount of damage and so many of them are nuts or degenerate, into pedo shit are pseudo-intellectuals etc. However, I really do think kiwis have allowed themselves to allow the lolcow/shitposty nature of kf to really filter their perception of all transgenders that all of them are the worst case scenario like keffals or Liz Dong.

Plenty of trans people I’ve met in my spaces are nice, friendly approachable people who can be intelligent, respectable and not fucking nuts to lolcow levels like what we see here. I have seen it happen, this is a website meant to document lolcows and the worst of drama, of course it wouldn’t acknowledge the many more innocent boring transgenders or trans feminine people that really are what most of the community comprises of. They have even directly referenced this website and agree that the cows and examples in trans freak shows are bad people. They are not literal demons they were all still just men and women at some point.

I swear the cognitive leaps kiwi users have to go through to convince themselves that all of them are as bad as keffals is the same kind of teenagers or retards who think every kind of autist is as bad as Chris chan. Of course there are extreme examples in every category, autistic people have obviously done great things in many ways. Some are very talented have amazing skills and positively contribute to the community. Trans people can be just as good in many things as anyone else. A lot of the transwomen I follow have amazing artistic skills, create music, can design amazing websites. Are generally very skilled in the fields of technology and media.

Transwomen and men absolutely can be just as successful as anyone else and create great things, there really does need to be a separate thé art from the artist mentality more on the farms. Where people don’t automatically assume someone’s output is bad just based on a personal lifestyle choice that someone doesn’t like. It’s ridiculous. It’s the equivalent of eating some
Delicious steak but throwing up after it’s been revealed that a black parson made it. Get your confirmation biases out fo your asses peoplew

 

[AssignedEva]

I swear the cognitive leaps kiwi users have to go through to convince themselves that all of them are as bad as keffals is the same kind of teenagers or retards who think every kind of autist is as bad as Chris chan

Your parents clearly wasted their money on sending you to Westminster, since you haven't learned basic reading comprehension.

Most trans people are not insane lolcows, they're just trans people living their lives. Likewise most KFers don't think every single trans person is an insane lolcow. There's a variety of opinions on this site, ranging from "every single trans person no exceptions is an insane delusional weirdo who is highly likely to be grooming children" to "I have trans friends and have no issue with recognising them as the gender they identify with".

The point is that if we're in the Keffals thread, we're not going to be adding in caveats all the time saying "of course, Keffals is an anomaly, and actually the vast majority of trans people do not sit around making fart porn and grooming children into taking bathtub HRT without their parents' knowledge via the catboy ranch discord". The fact that every post does not contain that caveat is not evidence that we all think every single trans person is the same as Keffals.

Transwomen and men absolutely can be just as successful as anyone else and create great things, there really does need to be a separate thé art from the artist mentality more on the farms. Where people don’t automatically assume someone’s output is bad just based on a personal lifestyle choice that someone doesn’t like. It’s ridiculous.

If you're referring to observations on the transgender art thread or assumptions that someone who announces transition is going to start churning out crappy stuff about being trans instead of the content they already made - these are general observations about general trends. It is very common to find a trans artist who is making terrible art, either because they're not a very good artist or because since coming out they've started making content exclusively about being trans (and facile stories at that). I draw attention again to my pet cow PhilosophyTube, who previously made overwrought videos that did explore philosophical concepts, and now dresses up in fetishwear to lecture his audience on how the NHS needs to give him a boob job.

Again, observing a general trend does not mean everyone on this site thinks "trans people all make terrible art and there are no exceptions, no trans person has ever or could ever make any meaningful contribution to society". Also referring to being transgender as a "lifestyle choice" would get you cancelled.

 

[teriyakiburns]

the points I have made earlier are

a distinction without a difference. Troons are mentally ill. Some of them may be able to hold it together and some of them fuck their mothers. That doesn't change the fact that they're all mentally ill.

So great, you know some troons that aren't utterly insane, but they are still mentally ill. I used to know a legit schizophrenic, who was nevertheless, a fairly successful person in his field, because he could keep it under control with appropriate medication. He was still a schizo and was fully aware of this. The difference between him and the troon is that he didn't demand society be re-organised to cater to his delusions. The reason people are so fucking angry about troons is that they have already forced the re-organisation of society to cater to their delusions. It doesn't matter how otherwise logical, creative, "based", or balanced they might appear to be, they are all part of a movement to demolish the fundamental underpinnings of society, all so they can make people participate in their fetishistic delusions.

Your trans-identified "creatives" are part of the problem, whether they accept it or not. You can't blame any individual locust for the swarm, but he's still a part of it.

 

[AlmightyMagichan]

This whole trans thing is so incredibly stupid. There are so many things you have no control over in your life because the world is an unfair crazy madhouse. I don't understand why this is the one thing that you're allowed to change. Not your race, not your family, not your age, but for some reason changing gender is A-ok.
Maybe I do know why this is the one exception. Because it ties in heavily with sexuality and most of these people are weird sexual deviants. There is no way a healthy, well adjusted person would ever want to do something like this.
What I find even more ridiculous is that this has became a fad and companies and governments are trying to support it with all this pronoun crap and other shit. They actually want to reshape society in order to make these idiots happy and comfortable at the expense of everyone else.
This whole thing is going to die down and get replaced with some other weird fad in time. Then all that will be left are a bunch of older burn out who formed their entire identities around this crap. The ones that got surgeries and injected hormones into themselves will have nasty medical issues. It's almost kind of like natural selection as many of them won't be able to have kids.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah maybe, those ones are bad. But like I said there are plenty of non terminally Ill trans people I’ve met who are chill and some don’t even give a shit about pronouns believe it or not! Keep in mind all the worst ones like keffals, Liz Dong Lily orchard the very worst ones that try to destroy this site and molest kids would all still be bad people even if they weren’t trans.

I have spoken to other MtF trans people on other servers aware of this sites existence and they all agree keffals and the worst trans lolcows are horrible people and give them a bad name. I do not understand the mental gymnastics people here have to go through to think every fucking trans person is as insane as the worst lolcows here. I think they have allowed the farms to filter their perception that the worst ones are terminally online and the vast majority of trans people are pretty harmless and really not worth getting mad over.

There's nice trans people. Lots of them, in fact.

However, very few of those nice trans people, if they ran into, say, a 17 year old kid who was questioning if they were trans, would try very hard to steer them away from troonery.

They'd probably act cagey at best, if not actively give them tips.

That makes them shitty people.

 

[Ouro Boros]

I am.....very questioned by their recent growth circa 2014, but all I can say that there's definitely a generational gap between these "new trannies" and the "old trannies". The old trannies seemed to at least were living in peace and weren't piss babies 24/7, but now every single trans person will call you a "transphobe" if you don't even agree if their favorite character's headcanon of them being some black, trans, demigender, polysexual lesbian who has autism and is suspiciously a lot like them being 100% TRUE AND HONEST!

 

[ToroidalBoat]

anime

As if.

AGP

Autism.

[...]

Also porn.

I think the Western guys into anime who go "transgender" do so because straight male sexuality -- which is still appealed to in anime -- is demonized by their peers: the other SJWs. So they resolve that "cognitive dissonance" by going "transgender". It could also be because of "autogynephilia": a desire to be like the girl characters seen on the screen. And any other reason(s) the "transgender" craze is even a thing in Current Year. Also porn was a thing before Clown World, without the "transgender" craze.

In any case, autism could play a central role. Like I said, woke as a whole resembles autism.

Woke is like a form of autism.

Spoiler

- Lack of "theory of mind": thinking all of a "community" are alike, and that "collective punishment" mentality - BS like "white privilege".

- Trouble telling fiction from IRL: BS like "fictional characters can't consent" or "Barbie dolls set unrealistic beauty standards".

- Rigidly categorizing subjects, like the thinking that leads to BS like the "hierarchy of oppression" or "cultural appropriation".

- Behavior like "stimming", like the need for having a "safe space" after exposure to the "Prickly-Wicklies" of the "problematic".

- Difficulty with subtlety: notice how SJWs can be compelled to advertise identity loudly all the time - like with "pride flags"?

- Excessive stilted and awkward speech: "wokespeak" like "exotification", "marginalized groups", and "microaggressions".

- Overthinking simple concepts, like how many different kinds of sexualities and "genders" SJWs can think there are.

- Intense fixation on identity politics like it's an autistic "special interest": "everything is political".

- Lack of a sense of humor: SJWs can be easily offended, and of course there's "cancel culture".

- Sensory issues: is there anything that's never "triggering"?

 

[TRAZkek]

Okay, I’ve been browsing trans articles (pro and anti) for a long time, and I wanna air out my opinions, beliefs, and whatnots so I can get honest criticisms/responses/new information. You’re supposed to look from all angles, you know?



Here are how I see trans people at the trans community:

I think there are different ways people come to identify as trans. I believe there are SOME people who truly do not identify with their birth gender, and have either developed to identify more as the opposite gender, or for some non-understood biological reason they feel disconnected mentally from the sex/gender/whatever. I also believe that some people who identify as “trans” are fetishists, I.E Autogynephiliacs, pedophiles, etc. I include pedophiles because there are many cases of trannys pushing HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) (specifically estrogen) on minors, presumably for their weird fetishes. But just like any minority group, these people don’t make up the majority of the people. If people want to identify as a different gender, as long as they aren’t pushing tranny propaganda (especially towards kids), committing crimes, or doing other immoral things, who am I to stop them? They need to make their own mistakes and learn for themselves. If they start HRT and realize it’s effecting their body permanently and they are still not happy? That sounds like a natural consequence.



Another reason I’ve seen people take on the trans identity is because of the modern day concept of “The Race To the Margins”, in where people (mostly young, white women) are taught the idea that “If you are not pressed, you are the oppressor” Which then leads to teenage girls becoming “trans” or faking Tourettes, or all of the other freak show shit you see on TikTok, instagram, etc. This is where the Dyed hair libtard stereotype seems to come from, attention seeking young girls (and sometimes boys) who don’t have strong emotional support at home, school, etc; and are looking for a sense of community, which they can find through other young people trying to escape being the oppressor.



As for surgeries and Hormones, I think SRS and GRS surgeons/doctors are predatory. They offer their services and procedures to young, underdeveloped, naive and confused people who are often struggling with other mental health issues (besides being trans, if you consider that a mental health issue.) They’re capitalizing off of struggling people, and giving them dangerous and lackluster results, all while charging thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars. I see this as one of the true destructive parts of the trans community, along with the rampant fetishism and pedophilia. I think in time, the pushing of LGBT culture and the like will calm down, and this wave of mentally ill people flocking to labeling themselves as a niche sexuality or gender identity will start to fade. Most of the anger I have towards the trans community comes from compassion, not wanting to see people try to address their mental or relational struggles in a way that may be hurting them; and wanting to protect kids and vulnerable people from being sucked into this fad of transgenderism.



What you ya’ll think? Civility is appreciated but not required, I wanna hear more perspectives than just mine.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Here are how I see trans people at the trans community:

That's all a very basic moderate stance on trannies.
I mostly agree, but I'm surprised you had to read articles or w/e to come to that conclusion.

Personally I take a pretty hardline approach that transexuality doesn't exist, there is no such thing as more or less "real" transexual because biological transexuality is not a valid concept, but if someone wants to do whatever weird stuff with themselves then it's not really my business.
The idea grosses me out and I consider it even spiritually offensive on some level, but all of us have our own quirks, one should be capable of respecting someone without needing to approve of every facet of their lifestyle.
The problem with most online transexuals is they don't actually have anything else worth respecting, which in many cases is why they adopted that identity to begin with.

And yes, SRS is ridiculous, there's no point where cosmetic surgery should ever be accepted as a treatment for psychological issues. It's pushed almost exclusively by various self-interested parties.