Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[SpiceyHuman]

Ive see
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Haven’t caught up yet but these cope “all penises/vaginas are different!” in response to being butchered has me

I found a very good document on differing vaginas, vulvas, labias, and clitorises and it even breaks down the percentage found in women. I think it’s very interesting from a scientific standpoint but also insulting and frustrating to see people equate natural diversity to the mutilation they have going on.

Article:

Classification of The Anatomical Variation in Female External Genitalia​

edit: i’d also consider it eye bleach regardless of your attraction lmfao

I can smell this article

 

[Fëanor Curufinwë]

In all fairness, you could use this argument for any case where people accidentally die due to someone's negligence.

Spoiler: OT rant

Say, if someone drunk-drives, crashes, and kills their child, they can feel awful and live with it everyday, yet we still punish them with prison.
Both the drink driver parent and the hot-car parents are negligent, both had no intention of killing their child, both made terrible decisions, both can be extremely regretful, etc. but society feels the hot-car parent is exempt from punishment? I don't understand why seen as different.

It's weird how people are so forgiving to these negligent parents despite the fact that it's their entire job to protect their child. Hyperthermia is one of the worst, most slow torturous ways to die and society is happy to shower these people with forgiveness and compassion.

I read an autopsy on one of these kids a few years back and it is to date the most horrifying thing I've read.

If we didn't punish people for revenge, then Involuntary manslaughter charges wouldn't exist.

Drunk driving is not really comparable. It's a decision you make, unlike forgetting your child in the car. I'm sure there are cases of it where the parents deserve prison though.

 

[monstrous bubo]

In all fairness, you could use this argument for any case where people accidentally die due to someone's negligence.

Spoiler: OT rant

Say, if someone drunk-drives, crashes, and kills their child, they can feel awful and live with it everyday, yet we still punish them with prison.
Both the drink driver parent and the hot-car parents are negligent, both had no intention of killing their child, both made terrible decisions, both can be extremely regretful, etc. but society feels the hot-car parent is exempt from punishment? I don't understand why seen as different.

It's weird how people are so forgiving to these negligent parents despite the fact that it's their entire job to protect their child. Hyperthermia is one of the worst, most slow torturous ways to die and society is happy to shower these people with forgiveness and compassion.

I read an autopsy on one of these kids a few years back and it is to date the most horrifying thing I've read.

If we didn't punish people for revenge, then Involuntary manslaughter charges wouldn't exist.

There are two other factors at play.

First, if serious negligence weren’t punished, it would become a good way to murder someone because your chance of getting away with it increases. Prosecutors know that murder requires proving intent. Currently, if they aren’t confident they can convince a jury of it, they can go for a lesser (but still serious) charge and still convict a killer. Take that off the table and your options as a murderer increase.

The second is a different sort of deterrence. If someone is punished for very serious negligence, it underscores the gravity of that conduct, and (one hopes) terrifies others into doing the right thing.

 

[batteredpancakes]

u/FannyChuckle has gone full autism and made an insanely detailed account of his SRS including a presentation.
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1 year Post-Op (Vaginoplasty) AMA from Dr. Kuzon (UofM)

I return for my 1 year Post-Op (Vaginoplasty) AMA from Dr. Kuzon (UofM).

An initial disclaimer for this post, I'll try my best to update it as things occur, but please understand that some things MAY be missing due to life events (work, social life, family, etc.)

If you wish to see some of my initial remarks and comments from the original surgery prep and initial recovery, check out the links below which should send you to that post. Also note that I offered this AMA in MULTIPLE subreddits, so if you go to my profile you’ll be able to see those threads and check those comments too.

Ultimately, I hope this helps the LGBTQ community somehow, whether that is within Michigan or abroad. So if you have questions, leave a comment & I'll answer it as best I can.

Here is the main link to the documentation/slideshow of the 1 year progress:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1WiGZZz_iywLJJDCqvRzOClZeDvX0XEg9UvbQGgB6tws/edit?usp=sharing

The most notable updates I have regarding the presentation and content:

• I have included some of the HRT progress pictures in the Day 0 - 1 year presentation. I am working on trying to consolidate information/slides so people are not having to jump across several tabs/presentation files.
• The most recent and time consuming update has been the “Sensation Data Records” slides. There is a more in depth description to this in the presentation itself. The TLDR; with the assistance of 2 friends, we went through SEVERAL common sensations to determine the sensitivity/intensity detection of the surgery area.
  • As there is A LOT of nerve damage that occurs, I wanted to provide some context for prospective patients with documentation of what my particular healing journey has been. To kind of set the tone for what you may experience yourself.
• I tracked my laser hair removal sessions. Currently I am at 19 sessions. There is next to NO hair growth in the surgery area (a few stragglers on the labia). I am going to do a few more sessions before I “call it done”.
• O’s have been achievable. Sometimes it is easier than others. I have not been able to narrow down particular things that provide A____. I also have not had a a steady exploratory partner for things, so I am working at a slight disadvantage in that realm (i.e. positions, how “rough” things get”, etc.)

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Resources:
Reddit post to have it as encouragement & a loose guide to helping my post-op self:

https://tinyurl.com/3p92t7xm

Reddit post to help as a guide for dilation/orgasms/larger dilators when post-op. I cannot speak to this first hand yet, but just another resource:
https://tinyurl.com/yarsmc7n

Main Google Drive Folder for Info:
https://tinyurl.com/8kdwemym

Contents of the Folder at the time of the 1 month AMA:

- The Post-Op healing pics/videos in a Slide Show with comments
- Reference Slide Show for previous photos of Dr. Kuzon's work (referenced in the Pre-Op AMA)
- Older UofM Vaginoplasty presentation that Dr.Kuzon used years ago
- HRT Body Change Slide Show (Day 0 - 2.5 years)
- Blank Spreadsheet Resource for anyone to copy for their own use
- Supply List Comments (not the full list, that is in the spreadsheet

Please remember this is also an AMA too, so ask questions & I'll answer it as best & quickly as I can.

Thank you all for letting me contribute, I hope this helps you.

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Author Notes:

1. This IS A GHOST/BURNER account. Meaning I will answer them as quickly as I can
2. The best way to get documentation of healing and to answer relevant timeline questions is when you are in the middle of it, not when you are thinking back on it 1 year later.
3. I want a recent & documented record of experiences within the Michigan process and healing. I want to try my best to give a “live” more recent testimony & documentation regarding the journey & my experience with Dr. Kuzon.
4. I have a Google Drive Folder link for my entire journey (body changes, hair removal, & healing post-op). At the time of researching Dr. Kuzon while pre-op, there were not many photos of his work. I want to change that.
5. I want a more up-to-date first hand experience of in-person interactions & experiences with Dr.Kuzon, the UofM facilities, other medical staff, & hurdles I had experienced. To help other transgendered people navigate & prepare for the Michigan system/UofM process or to adapt to their own journey throughout the US or abroad
6. Provide copies of my resources & information documents to HOPEFULLY help current & future patients. I have mild experience in Microsoft Excel/Google Sheets, so I made my own recovery spreadsheets to help track things such as:
   - Doctors comments
   - Dilation schedule
   - Friend visitation sign-up & more
7. I have provided a BLANK version of that document to be modified, improved, & used by others in their transition journey in the Google Drive
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Prior Posts:

1. Original Post/Announcement that I was planning on doing this:
   https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransge...rence_post_for_future_progressamas_regarding/ (January 2022)
2. Pre-Op Documentation/AMA (7/20/2022): https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
3. The Main Post at "r/Transgender_Surgeries ": https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende...vaginoplasty_w_dr_kuzon_and_the_uofm_process/
4. Surgery Post-Op Documentation/AMA (8/24/2022)
   The Main Post at "r/Transgender_Surgeries
   https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgende...nd/ama_1_month_postop_dr_kuzon_university_of/

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Here's some images I''ll grab for convenience sake

Spoiler: images

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

Both the drink driver parent and the hot-car parents are negligent, both had no intention of killing their child, both made terrible decisions, both can be extremely regretful, etc. but society feels the hot-car parent is exempt from punishment? I don't understand why seen as different.

Spoiler: TLDR: every parent has had that close call

I want to draw a parallel to the commerical aviation industry because that's one of my autistic interests. Flying is considered to be the safest method of long distance transportation and this because of the amount of risk minimization that occurs. There are minor accidents that occur when one safeguard fails, however there are other safeguards that prevent a even worse accident. What typically happens is that no one has major injuries. One or two people may die if it's unlucky. When an catastrophic failure that's big enough to shock the industry happens, it happens because of multiple failures, disruptions in the typical operation, or a lack of assistance/training for pilots that haven't been considered until now. In those cases, almost everyone on the plane is dead. There arent that many accidents where 20%-70% on board dies.

All well meaning parents prioritize the safety of their children and do their best to minimize risk. And well meaning parents don't drink and drive with their kids in the backseat. I'm willing to bet that almost all stellar parents have experienced a close call with their kid that they'll never talk to anyone about besides their spouse, and that's still a maybe. One may find it hard to believe, but everyone has a story where they almost died as a kid. If you don't have one ask your parents because you're too young to remember or it happened to an elder sibling before you were born.

This forgetfulness happens more often in todays modern fast paced world where both parents need to work to sustain a family. Even with multiple guards in place, the stars can unfortunately align to something catastrophic. All parents know that they were a couple safeguards away from doing the same thing. A professor who specializes in human memory talks about how he only remembered his child when his wife made a comment about the baby. A contractor didn't realize because he was recently laid off and got a phone call from his new job after dropping off his eldest daughter and was on his way to drop off the younger daughter. A high achiever and medaled veteran, on her way to get IVF, forgot her child after multiple of her safeguards fails and unfortunate coincidences. The vibe in these cases tend to be "it can happen to anybody" because they know it almost happened to them.

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Tax: hey fellow ladies, ever had your gynecologist trim your vaginal hairs?
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[Golden Face]

if someone showed me a teratoma and told me it was the inside of a neo-vagina, i'd believe them.

Spoiler: disgustang

 

[batteredpancakes]

I want to draw a parallel to the commerical aviation industry because that's one of my autistic interests. Flying is considered to be the safest method of long distance transportation and this because of the amount of risk minimization that occurs. There are minor accidents that occur when one safeguard fails, however there are other safeguards that prevent a even worse accident. What typically happens is that no one has major injuries. One or two people may die if it's unlucky. When an catastrophic failure that's big enough to shock the industry happens, it happens because of multiple failures, disruptions in the typical operation, or a lack of assistance/training for pilots that haven't been considered until now. In those cases, almost everyone on the plane is dead. There arent that many accidents where 20%-70% on board dies.

All well meaning parents prioritize the safety of their children and do their best to minimize risk. And well meaning parents don't drink and drive with their kids in the backseat. I'm willing to bet that almost all stellar parents have experienced a close call with their kid that they'll never talk to anyone about besides their spouse, and that's still a maybe. One may find it hard to believe, but everyone has a story where they almost died as a kid. If you don't have one ask your parents because you're too young to remember or it happened to an elder sibling before you were born.

This forgetfulness happens more often in todays modern fast paced world where both parents need to work to sustain a family. Even with multiple guards in place, the stars can unfortunately align to something catastrophic. All parents know that they were a couple safeguards away from doing the same thing. A professor who specializes in human memory talks about how he only remembered his child when his wife made a comment about the baby. A contractor didn't realize because he was recently laid off and got a phone call from his new job after dropping off his eldest daughter and was on his way to drop off the younger daughter. A high achiever and medaled veteran, on her way to get IVF, forgot her child after multiple of her safeguards fails and unfortunate coincidences. The vibe in these cases tend to be "it can happen to anybody" because they know it almost happened to them.

Alright how about some better comparisons:

• A child drowning in the backyard pool because the parents were momentarily distracted.
• A car crash caused by a distracted driver that killed a child.
• A toddler runs out of a shop and gets hit by a car.

What I'm saying is that these cases, along with hot car deaths are all in the same category. Yet, the hot-car deaths seem to be given special attention on compassion and leniency.
Many accidental deaths of children are results of a very small mistake. Why give these hot-car death parents a pass when others don't get to.

People so passionately defend these parents and talk about how close they came to being in the same position but there is a thousand different ways a parent can make mistakes and cause death or injury to a child.

I'm not arguing that's it's not something a good parent can't do; it's just that the hot-car deaths get treated very differently and they shouldn't be.

 

[Procrastinhater]

In all fairness, you could use this argument for any case where people accidentally die due to someone's negligence.

Spoiler: OT rant

Say, if someone drunk-drives, crashes, and kills their child, they can feel awful and live with it everyday, yet we still punish them with prison.
Both the drink driver parent and the hot-car parents are negligent, both had no intention of killing their child, both made terrible decisions, both can be extremely regretful, etc. but society feels the hot-car parent is exempt from punishment? I don't understand why seen as different.

It's weird how people are so forgiving to these negligent parents despite the fact that it's their entire job to protect their child. Hyperthermia is one of the worst, most slow torturous ways to die and society is happy to shower these people with forgiveness and compassion.

I read an autopsy on one of these kids a few years back and it is to date the most horrifying thing I've read.

If we didn't punish people for revenge, then Involuntary manslaughter charges wouldn't exist.

Yeah its a rough subject, and I went and read a couple of hyperthermic autopsies and a description of a survivor who rolled their car in the Mojave and got trapped in the vehicle and had to wait four hours upside down in the summer heat before someone came past. A couple broken windows didn't really cool him down any. If you've ever driven across the Mojave or the Sonora (or even been sat in traffic in Pascagoula MS in summer with a busted aircon you can imagine how horrific it could be, humidity makes it worse) its not a good way to go.

I don't think its comparable to drink driving, thats a choice you make to get in a car fucked up and put everyone at risk.
I'd take it on a case by case basis, its beyond fucked up, I just don't know that accidents are best punished by prison. Drink driving ain't an accident. I can't imagine ever leaving one of my kids in the car, it is negligent as fuck.
I don't know man, its a hard one. I'd hate to be on a Jury.

Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age, 20 years ago I'd have said hang the bastards, but I'm older and maybe a bit wiser, I've seen how good people can make stupid mistakes that haunt them forever.
You leave a kid in a car to die you deserve to be fucking haunted. I just don't know if you deserve to be celled up with the Aryans and MS13.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

I read an autopsy on one of these kids a few years back and it is to date the most horrifying thing I've read.

Can you link me up pls?

 

[Procrastinhater]

Can you link me up pls?

Heres a paper I found

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235618612_Morphological_diagnosis_of_hyperthermia-related_deaths

 

[batteredpancakes]

Can you link me up pls?

It was over a decade ago unfortunately. I don't even know where to begin looking.

Heres a paper I found

It's missing...

Spoiler: Horror I recall

...the fact that young children are often found all scratched up because these poor kids often end up clawing at their own face in agony

 

[1440p Curved Monitor]

• A child drowning in the backyard pool because the parents were momentarily distracted.
• A car crash caused by a distracted driver that killed a child.
• A toddler runs out of a shop and gets hit by a car.

Did some cursory research with all three, especially the first since it the strongest comparison since it involves a parent, their child, and an accidental death that occurs when you leave a kid for a relatively short period of time. I am not a lawyer but the next two feel different since if you're operating heavy machinery you shouldn't be distracted while leaving a kid in a car has nothing to do with operating (driving) a car. The parent did drive the car and forget the child in there, but the parent was still doing what they were supposed to do while driving the car.
A lot of parents charged with pool deaths (not a lot of mentions about convicted so idk those numbers) get hit with child negligence because they failed to meet safeguards: no life vest, no pool gate and fence, leaving the child unattended at the pool for hours. A acquittal that I found was: baby crawls 100 ft from out of his crib, down the stairs, outside up the pool deck and into the pool while parents were sleeping in the morning after a night of drinking. I think in that case it's "that is a series of unlucky coincidences" or they had a good lawyer lol. You make a good point and as both are similar. Water has been around since the dawn of time but not cars, so this seems like new territory and the first few lawyers were about to establish precedent for the defendants when it really is a fuck up and not malicious.

 

[Procrastinhater]

the fact that young children are often found all scratched up because these poor kids often end up clawing at their own face in agony

Mother of mercy. Thats fucking horrific and one of the most fucked up details I've heard in my life.

Not often I read something online that completely gut punches me.
Fuck.

 

[monstrous bubo]

Mother of mercy. Thats fucking horrific and one of the most fucked up details I've heard in my life.

Not often I read something online that completely gut punches me.
Fuck.

Jesus fuck, that image. Can we please just get back to necrotic neogenitalia and pus puddles? Please?

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

A acquittal that I found was: baby crawls 100 ft from out of his crib, down the stairs, outside up the pool deck and into the pool while parents were sleeping in the morning after a night of drinking. I think in that case it's "that is a series of unlucky coincidences" or they had a good lawyer lol.

Very dedicated baby. Did the it die?

 

[batteredpancakes]

I'd also like to mention that sleep deprivation has been a big contributor to hot car deaths. Or "drowsy driving" as it's often called.
I'd note that would make it rather similar to drunk driving and some countries will prosecute people if they drive when are knowingly tired and end up crashing.
Anyone operating a motor vehicle has an obligation to assess their current ability and mental state.

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Anyway here's an update pic from u/vanphallo22

Spoiler: image

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Bathroom dick pics - a rite of passage

She's around 4.25” in length and 4” girth if you're wondering.

 

[behindyourightnow]

Jesus people, I come to this thread for rotting crotches leaking feces and dough rolls made of flayed arm skin, can we cool it on the dead babies?

Thread tax:

https://archive.md/Pg60R

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It seems like one of my nipples hasn't healed properly and I know why. My doctor said 'please don't do anything too heavy until I remove all the stitches' I even got longer sick leave because my job involves carrying heavy books around, but my parents didn't care. The moment, like literally the instance I could properly move my arms they started demanding things. Clean up this, do the dishes, buy your groceries, without even any help. Hell my dad already did that prior to me being able to properly move my arms without pain. They got angry when I protested, angrier if I didn't do it perfectly (we talking cross the ts dot the is perfect) and got annoyed when I asked for help. It gets worse. I have to clean up after them and myself because they constantly leave things like mugs and plates lying around and get mad when I call them out on it.
So all I could do was comply to avoid the passive aggressive behaviour, my mom's guilt tripping or outright yelling and being called lazy (gee thanks it's as if I'm recovering from a major surgery) and because I was constantly moving my arms, carrying dishes and plates, buying groceries for myself (none of them ever offered to help me carry them, hell they even send me out on errands for them) etc. My right nipple (I'm right handed) is coming off and there's nothing I can do. I got to rest like a week before they started making me work around the house, nearly around the clock and it's not fair. I'll probably have only one nipple because they didn't take this seriously. It's not like I don't want to help. Pre-surgery I was constantly helping, earning my keep and paying rent.

I'm currently looking into getting an apartment but everywhere that was cheap rejected me and there are no more affordable places.

Fellas don't you hate it when one of your nipples falls off? Happened to my brother last week.

According to the comments, nipples falling off is NBD and happens all the time, no one even notices!




All right then!

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

I like how they think that because no one says anything doesn't mean they don't notice it. I can promise you, we notice but are only being polite about it.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I like how they think that because no one says anything doesn't mean they don't notice it. I can promise you, we notice but are only being polite about it.

They're right about it not making a difference to their passing ability, its just not in the way they think, its because none of them pass anyway.
Even the most "sucessfully passing" Pooners such as Buck Angel, are ridiculous tiny roided out manlets, and the second they open their mouth the frog voice confirms what the observer already knew.
Have you ever heard Buck Angel speak for instance?

She has the same weird squeaky frog voice, the worst Pooners I've heard sound as bad as those annoying 8 year old Squeaker kids on FPS lobbies that end up screaming and squealing until their parents make them turn off their consoles.

Losing a nipple is no big deal to the Pooner, it won't make them look any more of a freak than they already looked, and it has no effect on the ability to "pass" of a 5'1" butterball with a scraggly neckbeard, they're obviously mentally ill women anyway.
Obvious Pooners.

 

[saintJogger]

Fellas don't you hate it when one of your nipples falls off? Happened to my brother last week.

My condolences to your brother. My left nipple went out to buy cigarettes like half a year ago and I haven't seen him since. But it's okay, he was kind of nuisance anyway. I was thinking of having a caricature of him tattooed on my chest after a high-resolution family portrait I have of us three - me, and both my nipples - but then I thought that this could be a great way to accessorize my chest a bit. I've used all kinds of substitutes, like a piece of tangerine skin put on his place with double-sided tape. My latest innovation was to have an artist make an oil painting of him and just hang it on my left pec. The frame does stick out a little from under my shirt, but that's okay too, no-one really says anything or points it out before I throw a joke about it myself.