Would you rather your leaders be honest dictators or lying democratically elected politicians?

[Xarpho's Return]

Do you have some kind of learning disability? I just showed you these quotes.

I read all of them. So you don't know the difference between genocide and deportation. Got it.

If you check the thread title, we’re discussing the relative merits of dictatorship vs democracy.

If you don't know the difference between genocide and deportation, how can you debate the differences between a democracy and a dictatorship?

 

[RichardMongler]

Is this suffice to prove we got users in this discussion that think genocide is based?

Okay Miss Piggy

I never once supported the genocide of Africans, but I firmly believe that White people have contributed more to humanity than Black Africans have. Two very different things.

Also, LMAO at you quoting my post saying you have no business commenting on others' looks.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Is this suffice to prove we got users in this discussion that think genocide is based?

Me pointing out that niggers kill whites more than whites kill them is thinking genocide is based?

You're just salty your every point was utterly crushed. You have nothing.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Stan, you really need to watch your blood pressure, you are taking this way too seriously, fren.

Whether people "want" to live in a dictatorship is not a serious question, as by definition, you are not given a choice by a dictator.

As for the deportation issue, it can quite easily by justified "democratically", if you insist on such nonsensical hypocrisy. The indigenous majority population just decides democratically by majority vote, that the looting and raping migrant minority population has to go back to whatever shithole they came from, as determined by the democratic majority.

You see, majority rule doesn't exactly preclude authoritarianism. It often facilitates it. That Austrian painter guy came to power after an election, remember. Regards

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Also, when we round up the illegals, niggers and pakistanis for deportation, we will not be stupid enough to name it as such. We will take page out of the lefts playbook, and call it Democratic Indigenous Empowered Decolonization or other some bullshit. And it will be true, because we say so, and we have voted on it amongst ourselves.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

You see, majority rule doesn't exactly preclude authoritarianism. It often facilitates it. That Austrian painter guy came to power after an election, remember. Regards

I was going to point out that there's this strong propaganda in Western culture to put "democracy" = good and "dictatorship" = evil. But the lines get blurred, because there are plenty of works out there where a benevolent king rules.

Furthermore, Vladimir Putin is the de facto "evil dictator" of the Western world but he's President of Russia who has won re-election multiple times...which brings up the point of this: if Putin won his elections "by will of the people" he's definitely not a dictator, at least no more so than Biden is...and if he fucked with the vote to ensure he won, then it proves "democracy" is not infallible.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

Wow so now Stan is just spamming quote passages of all her detractors, and instead of just addressing anything written, just calls us evil nazis, conflates deportation with genocide, and presents worst case scenario of North Korea as evidence why democracy is always good.
So pretty much everything stands without sensible refutation.
In short bullet form to rehash some of my arguments in rebuttal:

- expulsion of Moors and later Turks saved Europe in various points of history, Toyotomo Hideyoshi saved Japan from European colonialism.

- I conceded a a concern about dictatorships because of my aversion of Hitler, but noting my aversion to Hitler is very different than her disdain for him. I essentially hate Hitler because he lost World War II, and brutalized the German people, as well as promoted absolute savagery againt gentile European Slavs. I also explicitly conceded a danger about a North Korea scenario, even though that is an outlier as far as dictators go. No mention of the Francos, or Pinochets, or the man who was dictator of Singapore for some time (cannot remember his name). it may be controversial but I would suggest Russia is much better off under Putin than Yeltsin.

- noted that Starship Troopers offers a good solution to the evils of democracy, especially if one removes the boomer level of diversity in the novel.

Dollars to donuts she concedes that race and ethnicity are part of culture in the context of brown, or non-European peoples. I bet she endorses the expulsion of Chinese out of Tibet, and concedes that blood and race are an indellible part of Native American culture. Probablty with the blackies too, either African American or Africans.

Aside from the evils touted by the multi-culti mousketeers, the ver coarsening and erosion actual culture and supplanting it with American pop culture garbage, from McDonald's, to Coca-Cola, to rap music, to Katy Perry and Madonna, there is another concern about democracy, reflected in this quote:



It may have lasted two hundred years but Tytler did not foreesee things like taking money off the gold standard, the petro dollar and other shenanigans. Eventually the fact that Democracy does not produce statesmen who are capable of thinking in terms of centrues rather than the next election will prove itself unsustainable. I know she won't respond to any of this, but I am hoping it will stand to the edifcation of other contributors here.

Edit--so a couple posts were removed, I'm merging my response to those deleted posts below, so as not to appear to be double posting.

Stan would it have been morally acceptable for the Indians to expel European colonists had they not been so primitive as to be utterly unable to do so. For the third time:
- expulsion of Moors (various points in Spanish and European history
- expulsions of Turks (pretty much theme of the Pan-European consciousness, till the good guys lost in 45
- Toyotomi Hideyoshi saving Japan from the evil European colonists that you so despise.

 

[Fatniggo1488]

It's the difference between siting in a small room with two different people who want to kill you. One of them has a pistol and the other has a hand grenade. The hand grenade is certainly more powerful, but the use of it in this context also puts the user at great risk, and he has to worry about you throwing it back. The guy with the pistol can easily just shoot you and leave.

The main difference between lying politicians and honest dictators is that the honest dictator is attached to his own nation as it's next to impossible for him to have power anywhere else. The lying politicians are a completely rootless class of dictators who gain and maintain their powers through a global network of rootless dictators.

That aside, people are always naturally inclined to take the path of least resistance even if that's not the correct path. Overthrowing a dictator requires you to be willing to fight and die. The same is true for a lying politician, but people will always attempt to vote them out rather than doing what's necessary to remove them.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Well I tagged you in here because some idiot whose name starts with X asked me to provide examples of users endorsing genocide in Europe as a solution to the race problem. And here you are, red and swinging about the race problem.

Your solution to the race problem is supporting the genocide of indigenous Europeans by means of mass immigration. They're not your homelands to give away to brown savages.

Deportation to where? The last time I asked you that question you just said you’d establish a beachhead in Africa and toss your refugees out of the boat at gunpoint.

Not really our problem, is it. And they're not refugees, just economic opportunists. You don't know what goes into keeping a "safe for white women" neighborhood, do you, AWFL? You just want to eat an omelette and not care about those messy eggs. I used food analogies to help you.

You just can’t resist, can you? You guys are so fucking distracted by my picture, it’s like dogs watching a steak.

I'm gay. There's nothing your thoroughly worn out beef curtains can offer me. On that note, please stop importing brown savages who want to kill me, homophobe.

 

[Stan]

You got shouted down by logic and facts, and don't pretend you didn't start the shit flinging. You told me to "come live in reality" because I disagreed with you.

That invite still stand by the way. This addled ranting about Jews and Blacks isn’t terribly reassuring of your mental status.

Feel free to actually refute my points. I know you won't, because you can't. That's why you tried lumping me into the whole genocide thing, that's much easier to do.

Do you need to see your own words one more time?

Time for political change, as per the topic you idiot. I didn't advocate for genocide, but you wish I did so you can just dismiss me as a meanie head white supremacist and try to win through some bullshit moral superiority you don't actually have.

If you were talking about political change, you sure were light on the politics part and heavy on the “immigrants and blacks are subhuman” part.

I was civil with you until you stopped being civil, turning into a condescending cunt. Cry more, coal burner.

Actually you stopped being civil with me when Richard gave you the drop on my picture and you figured out I was a woman.
Coal burner…?
Who wins debates like this?

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Deportation to where? The last time I asked you that question you just said you’d establish a beachhead in Africa and toss your refugees out of the boat at gunpoint.

Yes, that would indeed be hilarious and heartwarming, and easy enough to do. But a simpler solution would be to use the graintrade as leverage. You see, Africa and the Middle East are massive net grain importers, whereas Europe and North America are equally massive net grain exporters. We can make them play ball, by threatening to halt the grain trade. Regards

 

[Fatniggo1488]

Ngl, I was kinda expecting Stan to be a troon rather than a crazy fat chick.

 

[Pedophobe]

I'd prefer a lying democrat.

C.S. Lewis:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Terry Pratchett:

Never trust an honest man.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Ngl, I was kinda expecting Stan to be a troon rather than a crazy fat chick.

if you saw her original Avatar I wouldn't blame you, it was weird and ugly.

I'd prefer a lying democrat.

C.S. Lewis:


Terry Pratchett:

the Robber Baron sounds like an Honest dictator tbh, the lying democratic governer does it all behind the guise of a "Greater Good"

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Is this suffice to prove we got users in this discussion that think genocide is based?

You literally quoted my post which I come back to, to see you implying "mass deportation" is the same as genocide. Deporting invaders back to their homeland is not genocide, and people entering someones country to rape and pillage deserve worse than merely being exiled or kicked out of a country. I guess you support Nazi's by the same logic as the opposite would imply you're ok with what Nazi's did, I asked you the same question in the other topic.

By your logic what the "official narrative" says Nazi's did to Jews is abhorrent, yet you're ok when browns and blacks do it to whites. Now answer the question, is that true?

 

[JosephStalin]

A leader is someone who sets the example, who shows the way, who never expects anything more from anyone else than they do from themselves. Leaders tell the truth, even when the truth is hard. Leaders put the people they lead and the mission first.

Let's be serious. We have no leaders. We have officials, elected and unelected, and bosses.

If you aren't sure someone is a leader, ask yourself this. If this person didn't have the coercive power of employment/the government behind them, would you do anything they said? If the answer is no, that person is no leader.

The last recent leader I remember is Donald Trump, and the last recent leader before that was Ronald Reagan. Why them? For all their faults and mistakes, they had a vision for our country. They knew where we needed to go, what we needed to do as a country to be the best. They weren't men who could be bought/intimidated. Their opponents moved heaven and earth to hamper them.

And I would ask you this. How many times have we seen elected officials all over the world acting like dictators? Too motherfucking many. The utterly fucked response to the Chinese Flu saw behavior from supposedly elected officials a Kim or a Putin would have been proud of. Consequently, at least in the USA, trust and faith in government/law enforcement/the judiciary/the media/'science/public education at any level has largely been lost. I laugh whenever I hear anyone described as any sort of 'leader' or 'influencer'. My ass.

There's a saying - some bosses you work for, some you work with, and some you work around. An enlightened despot sounds good until you realize that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Elected officials sound good but then again power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. But I suggest elected officials are generally easier to work around than a dictator and their minions. That's the only thing elected officials have in their favor, easier to ignore them.

Just wish the Constitution mandated all 'elected' positions nationwide be selected by lottery with certain qualifications, with one term only. Not perfect but likely far more responsive to the needs of the people than the vast majority of the 'office-holders' around today.

 

[SIMIΔN]

Furthermore, Vladimir Putin is the de facto "evil dictator" of the Western world but he's President of Russia who has won re-election multiple times...which brings up the point of this: if Putin won his elections "by will of the people" he's definitely not a dictator, at least no more so than Biden is...and if he fucked with the vote to ensure he won, then it proves "democracy" is not infallible.

Russian democracy has some serious problems. Lookalike candidates change their name to split the vote of anti-Putin candidates, journalists are restricted, foreign funded NGOs are restricted.
But this is likely just a defence against foreign intelligence agencies who exploit democratic freedom to weaken the target country.