Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[GS 281]

"Greta" is an angry, violent man who supports other angry, violent men. That's why he supports Mike Holland, a psycho who sexually choked his now dead victim, Julie Terryberry, who UNironically died of asphyxiation. Anyone think that cause of death is a coincidence?

And he supports Phil Haskins, another violent white man, who rather like Greta himself, is stalking and threatening to kill his ex with weapons openly on his Facebook, and who in the past boasted of beating up his own crippled mother.

Mike Holland is really the soul brother of "Greta" when you get right down to it.

But transmysogyny.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

"Greta" is an angry, violent man who supports other angry, violent men. That's why he supports Mike Holland, a psycho who sexually choked his now dead victim, Julie Terryberry, who UNironically died of asphyxiation. Anyone think that cause of death is a coincidence?

And he supports Phil Haskins, another violent white man, who rather like Greta himself, is stalking and threatening to kill his ex with weapons openly on his Facebook, and who in the past boasted of beating up his own crippled mother.

Mike Holland is really the soul brother of "Greta" when you get right down to it.

So, they're exactly what they love to complain about, only they put on a dress to distance themselves from it. wow

 

[Ginger Piglet]

But transmysogyny.

Wonder what would happen if a transman rang them and complained of being beaten up by their transwoman GF. I honestly reckon Greta would have a round of chuckling and thigh-slapping merriment at that.

 

[4Macie]

I saw someone from my facebook post about this group a few days ago, didn't think much of it because I really didn't care, and then find out they have a lolcow thread. Interesting.
My friend linked some article (I'll try to find) that basically insinuated that this service has "saved hundreds of trans lives"... obviously that's an outright lie. I feel like 99% of the calls they do take are just people wanting to chat, not anyone who's actually thinking of offing themself. Wonder if that's why some people don't answer the other calls? They don't want to deal with an actual suicidal person? I've read reports from 911 operators and suicide hotline people that deal with suicidal callers, it doesn't seem like a stress-free fun situation..... I doubt a group of adult children with savior-complexes could deal with it.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

Wonder what would happen if a transman rang them and complained of being beaten up by their transwoman GF. I honestly reckon Greta would have a round of chuckling and thigh-slapping merriment at that.

Nah, he'd pretend to care and go through his "save trannies" motions. All while passive aggressively subjecting the FtM to his "you don't really need help because you have male privilege" poison

 

[repentance]

I do not know much about this stuff, but I am curious to know why these people have yet to be stopped. It feels like trannies are getting away with everything these days, even pretending to be one to abuse and manipulate others.

People desperately want a tran.s specific crisis service. The majority of volunteers are most likely kind hearted people who genuinely believe that anything is better than nothing and they probably don't spend the majority of their time looking for and analysing information about TLL.

They don't know that the minimum amount of training required to meet the national standard is 40 hours, so they're not going to question why TLL delivers only 4 - especially when doing so requires admitting that they're inadequately trained. They don't know the support structures which are usually in place for volunteers. They don't know what non-profits can and cannot do legally. Their own intentions are good so they assume that of the organisation and accept that any flaws are due to a combination of lack of money and "transphobia".

They also know that questioning will be seen as betrayal and that they will be isolated. TLL is a cult of personality and we already know that Greta has no hesitation in trying to intimidate people into backing off.

Who is actually going to stop them? They're a tiny little non-profit which is largely unknown. Pretty much only their potential callers give a shit about them. If Greta wasn't such a bully, we would probably never have taken a closer look and discovered just how much of a sham they really are.

Also, their attrition rate should not be high. If you properly select and train your volunteers, and if you provide them with proper support, you rarely have many leave before the end of their pledged commitment.

 

[AnOminous]

I've read reports from 911 operators and suicide hotline people that deal with suicidal callers, it doesn't seem like a stress-free fun situation.....

It isn't. Real suicide hotlines strictly limit the number of hours volunteers can serve because otherwise they burn the fuck out rapidly.

Despite this, there are many real 24/7 suicide hotlines available, where the 24/7 means just that, and you'll actually get your call answered.

All the information we have conclusively proves this isn't a real suicide hotline. It's an on-again off-again thing at best, where the advertised hours are bullshit, and aren't even remotely the hours you'd have if you were a real suicide hotline. Specifically, most people try to off themselves late at night and at other inconvenient times that aren't arranged conveniently around the social schedules of whoever is mooching money off this scam.

The advertised hours are ridiculous, and even when you call during advertised hours you get a bullshit answering machine message that doesn't even forward you on to real suicide hotlines.

 

[autism420]

Anyone who open carries a fixed blade and isn't an outdoorsman or camping is a fucking weirdo. And this is coming from me, a knifesperg, who carries a folder everyday. She also has shit taste in blades.

 

[Collections Agent]

Wonder what would happen if a transman rang them and complained of being beaten up by their transwoman GF. I honestly reckon Greta would have a round of chuckling and thigh-slapping merriment at that.

Posted a screen cap of a testament from a FtM earlier.

Apparently theyre hostile against FtM that aren't actively transitioning and tell them they're not real trans people.

The irony is appalling

 

[Null]

First level 5 I've seen

70099 Level 5; Repeat caller who describes their plans to complete suicide by hanging in graphic detail then disconnects the call when support is offered. We talked for several minutes and I listened to the caller and offered kindness and support. I asked the caller to place the noose in another room and they clarified that it was. They are tired of coping and see no reason to go on living. They have been watching gore videos of hangings all day and said they just wanted to call us one last time. While offering support the caller disconnected.

 

[Dog Prom 3D]

People desperately want a tran.s specific crisis service. The majority of volunteers are most likely kind hearted people who genuinely believe that anything is better than nothing and they probably don't spend the majority of their time looking for and analysing information about TLL.

They don't know that the minimum amount of training required to meet the national standard is 40 hours, so they're not going to question why TLL delivers only 4 - especially when doing so requires admitting that they're inadequately trained. They don't know the support structures which are usually in place for volunteers. They don't know what non-profits can and cannot do legally. Their own intentions are good so they assume that of the organisation and accept that any flaws are due to a combination of lack of money and "transphobia".

They also know that questioning will be seen as betrayal and that they will be isolated. TLL is a cult of personality and we already know that Greta has no hesitation in trying to intimidate people into backing off.

Who is actually going to stop them? They're a tiny little non-profit which is largely unknown. Pretty much only their potential callers give a shit about them. If Greta wasn't such a bully, we would probably never have taken a closer look and discovered just how much of a sham they really are.

Also, their attrition rate should not be high. If you properly select and train your volunteers, and if you provide them with proper support, you rarely have many leave before the end of their pledged commitment.

These are important points. I think most of Greta's volunteers are genuine, decent people who trust that Greta has done due diligence where training and legal matters are concerned and once she's got them on the hook they know that even if they are part of the volunteer attrition numbers that if they speak out she will marginalize them right quick. We saw what she did in her own Facebook when a fellow transwoman objected to certain pronoun usage. Someone who volunteered speaks out and she'll have her flying monkeys mobilized in minutes.

It's a great scam, isn't it? Keep the charity small enough so as not to invite too much scrutiny but sidle up to celebrities like Miley Cyrus for attention and asspats. Don't put any money into the infrastructure because you know that those who volunteer don't know how things should be run and because people will assume your shoddy service is due to lack of funds because of transphobia. Recruit from your socially miserable hotline callers, ensuring a volunteer base as desperate for approval and love as those who are now calling and won't turn you in for eating expensive dinners and engaging in questionable travel expenses on the company dime lest you alienate them more than they already are. Greta's nasty but she had a good thing going until she shook her ass in Null's face.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

First level 5 I've seen

TransLifeline.BodyCount = TransLifeline.BodyCount + 1

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

First level 5 I've seen

Well that's certainly depressing.

 

[PT 404]

First level 5 I've seen

And they don't call the authorities...

 

[Collections Agent]

TransLifeline.BodyCount = TransLifeline.CallsRecieved

FTFY

 

[AnOminous]

It's a great scam, isn't it? Keep the charity small enough so as not to invite too much scrutiny but sidle up to celebrities like Miley Cyrus for attention and asspats. Don't put any money into the infrastructure because you know that those who volunteer don't know how things should be run and because people will assume your shoddy service is due to lack of funds because of transphobia.

Just milk it for little things like free air travel. Never do anything actually useful.

And they don't call the authorities...

It takes a few human sacrifices to feed "Greta."

 

[Chan the Wizard]

First level 5 I've seen

Ok. See that right there? That's why you call the fucking authorities. Jesus Christ. No wonder Leelah Alcorn ended up killing herself after calling these people.

 

[Jaded Optimist]

TransLifeline.BodyCount = TransLifeline.BodyCount + 1

So we are at 2 who are likely dead then? The first being the one Greta said called and then killed themselves but it was the parents fault (of course not TLL).

That level 5, and the level 4 that disconnected are terrible. I feel so bad for the people turning to these frauds for help. I don't blame the volunteers, it's the complete lack of training and support.

 

[repentance]

First level 5 I've seen

This is why "active listening" training is insufficient for crisis line volunteers. It sounds like the operator handled it reasonably well given their inadequate training but on a real hotline you would bring in a supervisor to monitor a call like that and you'd move from listening to engagement (whether or not you were going to do active rescue).

Counterintuitive though it sounds, current research shows that guiding callers like that to and through the darkest of places actually leads to better outcomes. It's very difficult for someone who hasn't been properly trained and who doesn't have confidence in the evidence-based research to do.

 

[Null]

I've now recorded over 53 hours of statistics. Here's how the volunteers break down.

Total operators: 331.
Operators seen | time spent on-call:
35|480
448|386
182|180
323|170
485|120
467|119
503|119
424|118
453|118
304|60
275|8

So that says Operator #35 has spent 8 hours exactly on-call. There are 11 operators in total active over that 53 hours.

oh shit nigga. That 8 hours exactly makes me realize why no calls were taken last night despite vols being online.

They were scheduled to be on-call by the program, were marked on-call, and totally didn't sit to take calls.

ahahahahaha nigga shit hahahahaha