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I'll never understand how people could ever consider that woman "beautiful".
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Wasn't it said that lots of the support was from self loathing and repressed Middle Easteners?
Chickenpolar
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Mia Khalifa's fashion model arc is the most astroturfed thing since Dylan Mulvaney.
I could be wrong because I'm not a gay man or a woman but are fashion models usually covered in bad tattoos?
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i usually associate fashion models with anorexia
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She's a classic BPD headcase with famously awful hygiene. She will not be associated with Vogue long.
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I wonder if, when they do drop her, she'll start lying and trying to shittalk them about how much she was paid/how she was treated like she tried with the porn companies.
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I assume she'll accuse them of using A. her heritage or B. her porn past against her.
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i’m glad we’re giving popular pornstars the recognition they deserve
grapeshark77
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I posted about this and it got lost during the outage, might as well share if any porncow fans are bored. I remembered the AdultDVDtalk forums and was shocked to see that they're still going.
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/
Highlights: Mods who delete about 20 posts in each thread because someone said something negative
Every thread about a new girl immediately has "I hope she does anal/gangbangs/etc" in it
Creepy guy named "CaptainJack" interviews new girls and asks dumb questions
People pay for porn site subscriptions even though they hate them.
It's a big archive of chaos and funnier now that the sun seems to be setting on mainstream porn.
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/
Highlights: Mods who delete about 20 posts in each thread because someone said something negative
Every thread about a new girl immediately has "I hope she does anal/gangbangs/etc" in it
Creepy guy named "CaptainJack" interviews new girls and asks dumb questions
People pay for porn site subscriptions even though they hate them.
It's a big archive of chaos and funnier now that the sun seems to be setting on mainstream porn.
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WHATEVA HAPPENED THERE ?
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Yup, pajeets and self-hating Arabs.
WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED, THIS PIECE OF SHIT'S COUSIN PUT THREE NIGGER COCKS IN HER ASS WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATION WHATSOEVER!
Montalbane
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ALRIGHT THEN!
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genuinely surprised with all their fuckery that no one ever made a forum where you can shittalk the women and the posts about their freakouts on twitter remained for everyone to see. Its especially shit when literally any star on a long enough timeline will sperg out, meaning every thread has pages of post that get pulled for bullshit reasons.
Maybe its just me but i have a hard time believing mainstream porn isn't feeling the heat, any real talent fucks off to OF and porn is just a naked e-celeb platform at this point, the fact that its a monopoly means stuff like the states requiring ids or investigating them costs them money, plenty of the big sites have slowed their output by at least 25% and it will only get worse. the cost to make shit vs just shooting video on your phone or other cheap camera means they truely can't compete when there are so many choices out there now. i'd be surprised if they don't slow their output even more or just rely on people paying to watch the archive and only release a few scenes a month.
they reached market saturation a long time ago and anyone that would be paying for a subscription is paying for one, i doubt there are a shitload of people signing up especially in the last few years vs whales that just fucked off completely or switched to paying their favorite stars directly using OF, the markets consolidated over a decade too because the costs are too much vs revenue.
It reminds me of the strip club and escort twitter posts i've seen. coomers are mainly low lifes, very few uber rich guys spending money on sex, its mainly sad normal weirdos who's hobby is sex vs fishing or collecting funkos or whatever. So because they are a discrenary hobby with a high cost they're one of the biggest things people cut from their lives. Any anon sex worker account will admit to being super broke, broker than they've ever been in the hobby. This is why you're seeing a lot of them (especially the older ones as in over 40) fucking retire or cry about having to get jobs to support themselves. at least half of the revenue is gone and inflation has fucked up a lot of the calculus, so dances and private rooms and everything else had to increase and the amount of men paying has dropped hard. the destigmatization also is leading it to go from something only weird chicks may have decided to get into a decade ago to any liberal woman especially in their 20s going "i can at least try it" This combined with the weird "keeping up with the jones" market mentality when it comes to pussy has caused this weird thing where you have women in their late 30s competing with co-eds in the same field and being surprised when most clients would rather pay for prettier higher quality ones. like imagine if Ruths Chris and Mcdonalds had the same price for menu items, while many would still choose mcdonalds most would chose ruth.
much like drug dealing you'd be surprised how little money a lot of these women make, you'll have women charging $800 an hr who also have to live at home with their parents because so few dudes actually are willing to pay that. Despite the whole persona and the bizarrely high cost they all have real jobs and live with roommates meaning somehow women can't even live good when making thousands of dollars a session doing the oldest profession.
The only ones that you might say are doing good are the ones that brought a house somewhere very rural. You see this a lot with pornstars or strippers, despite making so much money or being iconic they aren't really living the high life, barely able to live a middle class lifestyle, with most of them barely making more in a year than they would have if they just got a job working retail or waitressing. in general sex workers can't seem to make sacrificing your reputation worth it.
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people have been PMing so here's some other factoids about the whole escorting thing. You can tell business is slow by touring. you'll have to follow for awhile but compare what dates they say they'll be in say Boston vs how long they actually stay there. there's an inherent risk v reward to going to a new area to do this but because men like variety you can do good in some places or better than if you keep trying to drain the same dudes and pre-reccession back in the 2010s touring was so profitable and the women were so weird you'd have some that just toured all the time, they just got a van and drove it throughout the country fucking dudes and making stacks. So a lot of the veterans are trying to pull a lot of these same tactics and will announce dates weeks or months out only to then make an excuse for not going closer to the date. pre reccession it was only medical emergencies that led to that, now almost half the time you can expect a change of plans/dates. Which is bad because these same women will keep the money you deposited with them.
Now whats a deposit? its you giving them money up front so they won't get screwed over when you don't show up. its common place now but again, pre-reccession women would take it on the chin, or have it be a small percentage like 10% of what you'll pay. its less about the money than creating a reason for the client to actually be invested in showing up and having it so they aren't losing money with those hours blocked out for no reason. In womens mind, men are notoriously flakey and unresponsive especially when it comes to the things they said in lust. A man making an appointment only to come to his senses and not show up once his pipes are clean is fairly common in their world. Now to book time you can expect to pay anything from a quarter to half of the agreed upon amount up front. Of course the question is "whats stopping them from taking the money and running?" in theory its that they'd lose what might become a regular client so its in their best interest not to. in reality nothing. say they stiff two johns, suddenly they got 100% of their money without having to do the sex. Sure you might be able to spread the words shes a scam artist but probably not. And even if you did they can just change their name or location and do it again.
Speaking of a change, i'm not going to say they might change their name or location because they exhausted all the people where they were originally located. but its almost always true, its also why you always seem them stepping down location wise, from NYC to Baltimore for example. The whores couldn't compete with the whores where they lived anymore so they're going to a place where there is much less competition. Also because they're going to usually a high COL area to a lower COL area they can also pretend they're lowering their rates because of entering a new market and not because they've gone from High end to a fast casual establishment.
As for the rates themselves, because of the lack of normalization up until pretty recently especially with OF, they were pretty set in stone, everyone knew the exact cost of a pornstar vs a regular whore vs one thats college aged vs a black one. whether it was 2010 vs 2018 the prices were nearly the exact same, maybe $100 more at the very most. The hobby itself had so few players on both sides that it wasn't optimized very well AKA it was a client's market not a provider. Having said that. the prices have roughly doubled from 5 years ago everywhere. its very much a whore's market. Maybe not the same whore, but the provider side is reaping all the benefits. Whereas it used to be semi-normal in the 2010s to have specials and multi-hour discounts and pretty much take whomever you can get. Now its no more multihour discounts or specials and they're asking for linkedin profiles, old pay stubs, references, Vax records, etc. just to get an appointment. as for the fun time itself, Its a lot closer to a job interview that also has a few minutes of sex involved vs what we all imagine "paying for the hour" should mean.
In modern day whoredom its seen as a faux pas to even take your clothes off until at least a half hour in, because you're supposed to catch up or get to know each other during that time. I'm serious, despite "paying for the hour" at least half of that is about doing what your provider wants to do which is pretend its a date. asking about likes and dislikes and hobbies and being forced to pay at least $10/min to do the exact stuff you thought you were avoiding by paying for a hooker. You think thats obscene, its required to take your provider out to dinner beforehand if the time booked is 3 hours or more. Now i've never done this sort of thing, but i assume these women don't just want burger king, they are more likely expecting somewhere with appetizers and a wine selection. Which then leads to the obvious question of "what if you spend all your time on the dinner and you run out of time to do what you're literally paying these whores to do?" the answer is you have to leave not even being able to have sex with the hooker you just paid thousands of dollars to take out on a date, and yes this is an infrequent thing to happen. but its common enough that i've seen it talked about on anon accounts for both providers and clients.
In fact from what i've seen on both sides, while you might be paying for the hour, (although its starting to become standard to pay for two hours because then you can spend more time talking) you will be spending very little time actually having sex. With the women actually rushing you and asking "are you close/did you finish?" almost immediately and it starting to become rare to get another shot if you do finish too quickly. a lot of anon sex workers social media is about coming up with strategies for trying to get the most buck for the least bang with stuff like forcing cigarette breaks or covid tests or pre-sex showers in order to burn multiple minutes before actually doing the deed. At least back before the normalization of sex work, the people providing it at least seemed like they enjoyed the sex to the point where multiple rounds were expected especially if asked for multiple hours. Mind you if you do ask these sex workers especially on social media attached to them they'll lie and say the usual crap about enjoying the job or the clients and how they enjoy it more than anything in the world.
Now why would a sex worker have a social media account when they're doing something illegal and even show their face/body on such an account? Its a roundabout way for verification besides review boards in order to prove they aren't a scammer/police. so say a client saw an ad, by them looking up a corresponding social media account they can see your general vibe and recent photos you might have. you'd be surprised but plenty of women that look good either use old photos or have mental problems or are just rude in a way that can take them to a sure thing to someone you'd get a restraining order on. a lot of sex worker social media is mainly them posting really whatever to keep their algorithms up because their clients might see it from the whore replying to other whores or liking their posts. think about it like when you're expected to comment on discussion topics back in college, so its a lot of positive nonsense and hyping each other up very rarely will you see these women lambasting each other. They use anon accounts for that.
As for why a sex worker would have an anon account? its to have a place to vent and show their true nature, meaning they hate their lives and themselves. besides shittalking other providers and clients and cry about how broke and desperate they are, they give each other tips and strategies to help make the experience less awful, ways to help warp the experience because most of these women don't really enjoy the sex work part of sex work. Which is why so much time is spent breaking the ice or cuddling or showering vs having sex. Thats one of the more hilarious parts of the pro-SW feminists, and feminist SWs, they know deep down that its uniquely exploitative and its completely false to say "sex work is work" so they do everything in their power to try to make it not about sex.
You see the same thing on OF, where almost none of these whores are cranking out fuck scenes, especially at the rate pornstars in mainstream porn do, and most OF content is racy photos, on par with what women in the myspace days would post for free. All those top earning OF accounts you see, like Bella Thorne or Bhad Barbie, almost never have the woman doing any sexual intercourse, its all naked photos or masturbation and nude videos like you'd see on HBO a decade ago. just in general there's way more money in being a soft core sex worker like a pin up model or page 3 girl than actually having sex. Also people keep repeating that factoid about the average OF account, which i find odd because especially once you narrow it down to females only. a woman on Twitch will make triple the amount of money on average vs an OF thot. of course a lot of that is barrier of entry and a lack of normalization and the TOS meaning you really have to show off a personality to make that money vs taking the easy way out of getting naked. But still despite almost all of history showing it, a woman that can pretend to have a good personality will go way further than one that is willing to be a slut. You don't even have to take my or anon accounts word for it. almost every porn star or former porn star admits to making way more money on twitch or on youtube vs having sex on camera, the only good part of Sex Work at least for women is the attention it gives, which they can then parley into something else like shilling things on instagram or getting a streaming career or other internet career going. Its a quick way to train the skills that they can later use in better more respectable fields. A woman that is used to asking guys for a table dance can use the same confidence and lack of care in rejection to sell cars or pharmaceuticals and make way more and have a job they can be proud of. Thats not even me bullshitting, you'd be surprised especially if you follow/get to know sex workers how many will end up in a different form of commission based sales once they feel too old for sex work, hell some of them already do that. That same woman that offers to come to your house to cut your hair might also come to your house to fuck if you know the number.
TL;DR sex work is so demoralizing and evil that the top performers usually are scam artists or try their best to do as little sex as possible.
Now whats a deposit? its you giving them money up front so they won't get screwed over when you don't show up. its common place now but again, pre-reccession women would take it on the chin, or have it be a small percentage like 10% of what you'll pay. its less about the money than creating a reason for the client to actually be invested in showing up and having it so they aren't losing money with those hours blocked out for no reason. In womens mind, men are notoriously flakey and unresponsive especially when it comes to the things they said in lust. A man making an appointment only to come to his senses and not show up once his pipes are clean is fairly common in their world. Now to book time you can expect to pay anything from a quarter to half of the agreed upon amount up front. Of course the question is "whats stopping them from taking the money and running?" in theory its that they'd lose what might become a regular client so its in their best interest not to. in reality nothing. say they stiff two johns, suddenly they got 100% of their money without having to do the sex. Sure you might be able to spread the words shes a scam artist but probably not. And even if you did they can just change their name or location and do it again.
Speaking of a change, i'm not going to say they might change their name or location because they exhausted all the people where they were originally located. but its almost always true, its also why you always seem them stepping down location wise, from NYC to Baltimore for example. The whores couldn't compete with the whores where they lived anymore so they're going to a place where there is much less competition. Also because they're going to usually a high COL area to a lower COL area they can also pretend they're lowering their rates because of entering a new market and not because they've gone from High end to a fast casual establishment.
As for the rates themselves, because of the lack of normalization up until pretty recently especially with OF, they were pretty set in stone, everyone knew the exact cost of a pornstar vs a regular whore vs one thats college aged vs a black one. whether it was 2010 vs 2018 the prices were nearly the exact same, maybe $100 more at the very most. The hobby itself had so few players on both sides that it wasn't optimized very well AKA it was a client's market not a provider. Having said that. the prices have roughly doubled from 5 years ago everywhere. its very much a whore's market. Maybe not the same whore, but the provider side is reaping all the benefits. Whereas it used to be semi-normal in the 2010s to have specials and multi-hour discounts and pretty much take whomever you can get. Now its no more multihour discounts or specials and they're asking for linkedin profiles, old pay stubs, references, Vax records, etc. just to get an appointment. as for the fun time itself, Its a lot closer to a job interview that also has a few minutes of sex involved vs what we all imagine "paying for the hour" should mean.
In modern day whoredom its seen as a faux pas to even take your clothes off until at least a half hour in, because you're supposed to catch up or get to know each other during that time. I'm serious, despite "paying for the hour" at least half of that is about doing what your provider wants to do which is pretend its a date. asking about likes and dislikes and hobbies and being forced to pay at least $10/min to do the exact stuff you thought you were avoiding by paying for a hooker. You think thats obscene, its required to take your provider out to dinner beforehand if the time booked is 3 hours or more. Now i've never done this sort of thing, but i assume these women don't just want burger king, they are more likely expecting somewhere with appetizers and a wine selection. Which then leads to the obvious question of "what if you spend all your time on the dinner and you run out of time to do what you're literally paying these whores to do?" the answer is you have to leave not even being able to have sex with the hooker you just paid thousands of dollars to take out on a date, and yes this is an infrequent thing to happen. but its common enough that i've seen it talked about on anon accounts for both providers and clients.
In fact from what i've seen on both sides, while you might be paying for the hour, (although its starting to become standard to pay for two hours because then you can spend more time talking) you will be spending very little time actually having sex. With the women actually rushing you and asking "are you close/did you finish?" almost immediately and it starting to become rare to get another shot if you do finish too quickly. a lot of anon sex workers social media is about coming up with strategies for trying to get the most buck for the least bang with stuff like forcing cigarette breaks or covid tests or pre-sex showers in order to burn multiple minutes before actually doing the deed. At least back before the normalization of sex work, the people providing it at least seemed like they enjoyed the sex to the point where multiple rounds were expected especially if asked for multiple hours. Mind you if you do ask these sex workers especially on social media attached to them they'll lie and say the usual crap about enjoying the job or the clients and how they enjoy it more than anything in the world.
Now why would a sex worker have a social media account when they're doing something illegal and even show their face/body on such an account? Its a roundabout way for verification besides review boards in order to prove they aren't a scammer/police. so say a client saw an ad, by them looking up a corresponding social media account they can see your general vibe and recent photos you might have. you'd be surprised but plenty of women that look good either use old photos or have mental problems or are just rude in a way that can take them to a sure thing to someone you'd get a restraining order on. a lot of sex worker social media is mainly them posting really whatever to keep their algorithms up because their clients might see it from the whore replying to other whores or liking their posts. think about it like when you're expected to comment on discussion topics back in college, so its a lot of positive nonsense and hyping each other up very rarely will you see these women lambasting each other. They use anon accounts for that.
As for why a sex worker would have an anon account? its to have a place to vent and show their true nature, meaning they hate their lives and themselves. besides shittalking other providers and clients and cry about how broke and desperate they are, they give each other tips and strategies to help make the experience less awful, ways to help warp the experience because most of these women don't really enjoy the sex work part of sex work. Which is why so much time is spent breaking the ice or cuddling or showering vs having sex. Thats one of the more hilarious parts of the pro-SW feminists, and feminist SWs, they know deep down that its uniquely exploitative and its completely false to say "sex work is work" so they do everything in their power to try to make it not about sex.
You see the same thing on OF, where almost none of these whores are cranking out fuck scenes, especially at the rate pornstars in mainstream porn do, and most OF content is racy photos, on par with what women in the myspace days would post for free. All those top earning OF accounts you see, like Bella Thorne or Bhad Barbie, almost never have the woman doing any sexual intercourse, its all naked photos or masturbation and nude videos like you'd see on HBO a decade ago. just in general there's way more money in being a soft core sex worker like a pin up model or page 3 girl than actually having sex. Also people keep repeating that factoid about the average OF account, which i find odd because especially once you narrow it down to females only. a woman on Twitch will make triple the amount of money on average vs an OF thot. of course a lot of that is barrier of entry and a lack of normalization and the TOS meaning you really have to show off a personality to make that money vs taking the easy way out of getting naked. But still despite almost all of history showing it, a woman that can pretend to have a good personality will go way further than one that is willing to be a slut. You don't even have to take my or anon accounts word for it. almost every porn star or former porn star admits to making way more money on twitch or on youtube vs having sex on camera, the only good part of Sex Work at least for women is the attention it gives, which they can then parley into something else like shilling things on instagram or getting a streaming career or other internet career going. Its a quick way to train the skills that they can later use in better more respectable fields. A woman that is used to asking guys for a table dance can use the same confidence and lack of care in rejection to sell cars or pharmaceuticals and make way more and have a job they can be proud of. Thats not even me bullshitting, you'd be surprised especially if you follow/get to know sex workers how many will end up in a different form of commission based sales once they feel too old for sex work, hell some of them already do that. That same woman that offers to come to your house to cut your hair might also come to your house to fuck if you know the number.
TL;DR sex work is so demoralizing and evil that the top performers usually are scam artists or try their best to do as little sex as possible.
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lol none of the above is even remotely true. It's well-understood among mongers never to pay a deposit (you'll lose it) and I've never once heard of a whore expecting your clothes to stay on more than ten seconds after entering the bedroom. If anything they're all too glad to get it done and over with as quickly as possible. The most common complaint is "I wasn't even there thirty minutes and I paid for the hour!" and I've never heard anyone say "I had to wait 30 minutes to even take off my clothes!"
As for the rest of these complaints -- two hour minimums, mandatory cigarette breaks, Covid tests, etc. -- women who pull that shit don't last long at all in the "hobby." Word gets around fast and mongers don't put up with that kind of shit anymore. Especially "two hour minimums" -- that just doesn't fly except for the most expensive whores who price themselves out of reach of most mongers anyway.
As for the rest of these complaints -- two hour minimums, mandatory cigarette breaks, Covid tests, etc. -- women who pull that shit don't last long at all in the "hobby." Word gets around fast and mongers don't put up with that kind of shit anymore. Especially "two hour minimums" -- that just doesn't fly except for the most expensive whores who price themselves out of reach of most mongers anyway.
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pretty much the same thing from the opposite angle. can you at least confirm the "3 hours means taking the whore out to dinner" aspect
you'd be surprised, just from what ads i've seen researching this shit, quite a few whores are dropping the hour and bumping up to 90 minutes or two hours for a minimum. especially when meeting for the first time.
maybe i'm just comparing old backpage to current tryst ads and taking that shit at face value but it seems quite a few of these cunts demand a deposit. it would be hilarious if those were just the starting rates and you are supposed to negotiate them down. I will admit most dudes are anti-deposit especially on the forums/subreddits/chans
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or you can pay 1300 bucks to creampie ryan fucking conner. actual prostitutes earn cash
grapeshark77
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It's fun to read those different forums where people share stories, it does seem like actual pornstars are better at the whole "porn" thing, what a surprise. The ones on Twitter with elaborate websites that require 100 forms of verification and act like they're doing performance art are hilarious, I'd love to know how much business they actually do.
That's another thing about those AdultDVDTalk boards - the mods delete posts where someone mention that a pornstar escorts, even if they publically say they do. There's a lot going on there.
That's another thing about those AdultDVDTalk boards - the mods delete posts where someone mention that a pornstar escorts, even if they publically say they do. There's a lot going on there.
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popnloch ness monster
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there was also the time she got hit with a hockey puck