TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

[Boston Brand]

There's no way in hell Nebula is actually worth $150 million. Simply none.

ESPECIALLY when so many of those companies that specialized in wrangling talented YouTubers are bleeding money.

If the corpos couldn't make money off of Rooster Teeth, Smosh or College Humor, there's no way in hell a bunch of breadtubers are worth amywhere near that much dough.

Hell, the fact that Curiousity Stream is bleeding cash and hasn't sold its stake in Nebula means one of two things:

Either the situation at CS isn't that desperate yet, or its not worth enough to bother selling. At the very least, it doesn't appear to be worth buying more of... which if it was worth $150 million, it clearly would be.

Oh, and should Nebula/CD collapse, I do think its an ego blow to Lindsay.

She could write off Chez Apocalypse failing because she fell into being one of Breadtuber's B-listers.

To go back to where she started damn near 15 years ago - making YouTube videos while pushing 40? Not a lot of ways you can spin that as a win.

 

[Random Internet Person]

To go back to where she started damn near 15 years ago - making YouTube videos while pushing 40? Not a lot of ways you can spin that as a win.

Don't forget a book trilogy with no adaptation news to speak of. These days, it seems that the rights to a book get sold the minute it hits the NYT bestseller's list.

 

[mlanguishi]

All this Nebula talk reminds me of the only breadtuber I've really seen push it, Joe Scott. I can't imagine ANYONE paying for that guy. He's always bitching about losing subs and money, and he really looks like shit lately. Like aged 10 years in the last 2. I've noticed that in a lot of Youtubers, they hit like 35-40 and absolutely age like shit. I imagine there's a lot of weed and drinking going on with these types. And Joe has the most punchable smug look all the time too. Lindsay was looking like Titanic-era Kathy Bates the last time I saw her from all her boozing.

I've never understood why anyone would go out of their way to pay subs for the exact same creators that are free on Youtube. I guess the whole paypig mentality is strong. I did Patreons for a few years on like 3 creators way back, but noticed it's always just the same shit and most of the perks were 'early release' videos. Like being behind on their schedule by a week ever matters.

 

[grapeshark77]

Nebula has very little bonus content on it either - recently there's been a big PR push for that and another service called Dropout (which is the remains of CollegeHumor) but I understand the point of that one because it's all original material. Every single creator I've seen has the same "discount" which is $5 a month.

People are cutting out streamers left and right these days, the idea that this super-niche thing which has 99% percent free content is rolling in money = hard to believe. The CEO pushing it makes me suspicious.

 

[Boston Brand]

Nebula has very little bonus content on it either - recently there's been a big PR push for that and another service called Dropout (which is the remains of CollegeHumor) but I understand the point of that one because it's all original material. Every single creator I've seen has the same "discount" which is $5 a month.

People are cutting out streamers left and right these days, the idea that this super-niche thing which has 99% percent free content is rolling in money = hard to believe. The CEO pushing it makes me suspicious.

Dropout is another one I have no idea how its solvent. Hell, I have no idea how College Humor is still around.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Don't forget a book trilogy with no adaptation news to speak of. These days, it seems that the rights to a book get sold the minute it hits the NYT bestseller's list.

I wonder if Lindsay would insist on directing it herself. She's said in multiple videos that she doesn't believe the original author having a hand in the adaptation is a good thing (Citing Andrew Lloyd Webber having creative power for the Phantom movie with Gerard Butler as her main example) but she's the type of egotist who would see herself as an exception, and it would finally allow her into Hollywood.

But she's already wary about being criticized, and a film would give way more people the opportunity to say she's less than perfect, so I can see her agreeing to sign over the director's chair to someone else.

 

[AskeDead]

An internal valuation of that amount is just laughable.

 

[The_Bladder_Splatter]

she's the type of egotist who would see herself as an exception, and it would finally allow her into Hollywood.

Still chasing after that channel awesome dream eh?, It seems old habits die hard

 

[Ninon42]

Join Lindsay as she self-identifies as a sci-fi writer again (link)

 

[Boston Brand]

Join Lindsay as she self-identifies as a sci-fi writer again (link)
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You know she's nervous about book three if she's working with SFWA to ingratiate herself.

The funny thing about that? They HATE Lindsay. They view her as an interloper, an upjumped YouTuber who entry into the genre is trading a piece of thier pie so Lindsay can pretend she's legitimate artist. One she only persued as a last resort when her film career stalled and no old media jobs came knocking.

The last thing SFWA wants is a bunch of YouTubers and influencers taking what book deals remain the way they did YA Lit. So they've been cheering her failures every step of the way.

I don't know if she or her people still trawl the forum, but if they do:

You know how I know they hate you Lindsay, and hope you fail?

Who do you think keeps feeding me all the intel about her book deals, and spilling the tea about your publisher hating you?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You know she's nervous about book three if she's working with SFWA to ingratiate herself.

The funny thing about that? They HATE Lindsay. They view her as an interloper, an upjumped YouTuber who entry into the genre is trading a piece of thier pie so Lindsay can pretend she's legitimate artist. One she only persued as a last resort when her film career stalled and no old media jobs came knocking.

The last thing SFWA wants is a bunch of YouTubers and influencers taking what book deals remain the way they did YA Lit. So they've been cheering her failures every step of the way.

I don't know if she or her people still trawl the forum, but if they do:

You know how I know they hate you Lindsay, and hope you fail?

Who do you think keeps feeding me all the intel about her book deals, and spilling the tea about your publisher hating you?

So, she's working with people who hate her and have no interest in helping her, and would also see a benefit in sabotaging her...

In all honesty, it's not like she needed anyone's help screwing herself over. She was lazy, refused to make any attempts at getting her old audience to buy her book because she thought she'd outgrown them, and only promoted her 'literature' after the first book crashed and burned hard enough to fuck over the publisher.

Actually what would be funny is if Lindsay or her crew did see this post and declare misogyny because clearly the SFWA was behind her low sales because they hate women coming into their precious club. And not that Lindsay is a shitty writer.

 

[Boston Brand]

So, she's working with people who hate her and have no interest in helping her, and would also see a benefit in sabotaging her...

In all honesty, it's not like she needed anyone's help screwing herself over. She was lazy, refused to make any attempts at getting her old audience to buy her book because she thought she'd outgrown them, and only promoted her 'literature' after the first book crashed and burned hard enough to fuck over the publisher.

Actually what would be funny is if Lindsay or her crew did see this post and declare misogyny because clearly the SFWA was behind her low sales because they hate women coming into their precious club. And not that Lindsay is a shitty writer.

That's the best part - turning on SFWA wouldn't help Lindsay at all, as they've turned hacking disloyal white women members to bits into a science.

Lindsay has the same issue a lot of other lousy white women writers in that circle have: while the organization made a big push for women like her a decade ago, they've long since moved on to pushing non-white authors, queer authors, or ideally both.

Aside from a few old hands like Cat Rambo or Mary Robinette Kowel who are grandfathered in as senior leaders, Lindsay and those like her are too white and too straight for SFWA to do anything to help beyond a few pity appearances and spending thier dues to support other authors.

Hell, it's even worse for Lindsay than most white women. She's rich - most of SFWA would kill thier own mothers to have Lindsay's Patreon numbers. And thanks to her fetal alcohol baby, she's a breeder. There's nothing the SFWA cat ladies hate more than a woman married with kids.

Anyway, even with Lindsay doing some actual promo work for her third book, its too late to make a difference. Sales for book 2 peaked at around 10k, and copies of both her books have started migrating from clearance bins to dollar stores.

Taking bets for book 3's sales numbers? We saw a 67 percent drop in sales between the first book and second, so doing that again puts book 3 in the ballpark of 3k-5k sales.

 

[grapeshark77]

I'm going to bet 2.3k at best. The problem is that her fans, who claim to love everything she does, refuse to buy her books. Even the Patreon/Nebula ones have no interest in book three of a trilogy.

She's obviously going to try to promote it more but she's mostly "that former Youtuber who was unfairly cancelled" at best. She can do 100 interviews on YT and people will comment "I miss her!" - they don't even look up the fact that she occasionally does new content on a niche streaming service. They're not paying for a hardcover copy that they'll never read.

 

[LaughJoke2.0]

Hearing how Lindsay isn't enough of a "victim" for the SFWA reminds me of an exchange from All in the Family.

Archie's Lodge needs to add some token minorities or face legal issues. So Archie recommends a guy from work who would kill two birds with one stone it's Solomon Jackson a Black and a Jew or as Archie calls him "A Two Time Loser".

Edit: This is from when College Humor was actually somewhat funny.

https://youtu.be/mJgC9LEBTuQ?si=52-kRwheNZeDHoHx

"A Gay Jew Jesus Christ" gets me every time.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Put me down for 2,500 sales. It’s been years since book two and as @Boston Brand points out, she’s too white and straight for any kind of support network boosts in current year plus eight. She appears once in a great while at various events and is deliberately low key to avoid being completely canceled. I don’t think she really cares anymore as she knows her future as anything other than self-published novelist is toast. She also knows New York Magazine isn’t going to call her up to ask her to be their next film critic so her only remaining option is her cushy six figure income from her Patreon. Lindsay has always been lazy so she’s doing alright.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

Time flies by so fast. Almost two full years since Lindsay stopped uploading on YouTube and announced she was quitting because of the Raya controversy. It's fucking hilarious that her comments about Raya was what got her "cancelled" for being "racist". You know, that Disney goyslop which had clear Avatar: TLA inspirations and a Southeast Asian flare?

Not defending her, but despite Americans thinking Azns are a monolithic "race" of Mongoloids from Far East Asia, actual Asians don't see themselves as a single "race". Just look at racisl tensions between Chinks and South Asians in Singapore. Even the "Stop Asian Hate" movement, which was around its peak when Raya came out, was only a problem for Yellow people aka East Asians. There's over 4 billion in Asia and over 50 or countries. Everything from Turkey to Israel to India to Japan is "Asian", whether they're brown or yellow, round eyes or slanted eyes. Why the (((media))) kept telling me that Raya was a win for "Asian" representation was weird since Asians are very nationalistic/xenophobic. In the Philippines, everyone who isn't pure Filipino counts as a foreigner or mixed-race. You can find similar sentiment in Japan and elsewhere in Asia.

The icing on the cake was that Raya and the Last Dragon flopped in all major Asian markets, whether that's Japan, India, or China. To them, SE Asians are just foreign brown people. There's no "pride" or sense of "representation" looking at short, brown-skinned SE Asians like there was for some SE Asian-Americans. Hell, the film had lots of critcism because there wasn't much Brown/SE Asian talent behind the film; it was mostly East Asian descendants. Yet this was the film that broke the camel's back.
Article on film flop.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Time flies by so fast. Almost two full years since Lindsay stopped uploading on YouTube and announced she was quitting because of the Raya controversy. It's fucking hilarious that her comments about Raya was what got her "cancelled" for being "racist". You know, that Disney goyslop which had clear Avatar: TLA inspirations and a Southeast Asian flare?

Not defending her, but despite Americans thinking Azns are a monolithic "race" of Mongoloids from Far East Asia, actual Asians don't see themselves as a single "race". Just look at racisl tensions between Chinks and South Asians in Singapore. Even the "Stop Asian Hate" movement, which was around its peak when Raya came out, was only a problem for Yellow people aka East Asians. There's over 4 billion in Asia and over 50 or countries. Everything from Turkey to Israel to India to Japan is "Asian", whether they're brown or yellow, round eyes or slanted eyes. Why the (((media))) kept telling me that Raya was a win for "Asian" representation was weird since Asians are very nationalistic/xenophobic. In the Philippines, everyone who isn't pure Filipino counts as a foreigner or mixed-race. You can find similar sentiment in Japan and elsewhere in Asia.

The icing on the cake was that Raya and the Last Dragon flopped in all major Asian markets, whether that's Japan, India, or China. To them, SE Asians are just foreign brown people. There's no "pride" or sense of "representation" looking at short, brown-skinned SE Asians like there was for some SE Asian-Americans. Hell, the film had lots of critcism because there wasn't much Brown/SE Asian talent behind the film; it was mostly East Asian descendants. Yet this was the film that broke the camel's back.
Article on film flop.
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There’s a guy I follow on Twitter named Oliver Jia, who’s basically an American living in Japan, and one thing he mentioned was that “American culture wars just don’t exist in Japan”. And that both fat sides of the spectrum like to pick and choose things about Japan to present it as a paradise for their platform, when that’s just not true.

I guess the Raya shit really showed just how little of an influence Lindsay had. And just how little she knew about the world. That or those words can be said about the circle she ran with.

 

[UnKillFill]

Time flies by so fast. Almost two full years since Lindsay stopped uploading on YouTube and announced she was quitting because of the Raya controversy. It's fucking hilarious that her comments about Raya was what got her "cancelled" for being "racist". You know, that Disney goyslop which had clear Avatar: TLA inspirations and a Southeast Asian flare?

Not defending her, but despite Americans thinking Azns are a monolithic "race" of Mongoloids from Far East Asia, actual Asians don't see themselves as a single "race". Just look at racisl tensions between Chinks and South Asians in Singapore. Even the "Stop Asian Hate" movement, which was around its peak when Raya came out, was only a problem for Yellow people aka East Asians. There's over 4 billion in Asia and over 50 or countries. Everything from Turkey to Israel to India to Japan is "Asian", whether they're brown or yellow, round eyes or slanted eyes. Why the (((media))) kept telling me that Raya was a win for "Asian" representation was weird since Asians are very nationalistic/xenophobic. In the Philippines, everyone who isn't pure Filipino counts as a foreigner or mixed-race. You can find similar sentiment in Japan and elsewhere in Asia.

The icing on the cake was that Raya and the Last Dragon flopped in all major Asian markets, whether that's Japan, India, or China. To them, SE Asians are just foreign brown people. There's no "pride" or sense of "representation" looking at short, brown-skinned SE Asians like there was for some SE Asian-Americans. Hell, the film had lots of critcism because there wasn't much Brown/SE Asian talent behind the film; it was mostly East Asian descendants. Yet this was the film that broke the camel's back.
Article on film flop.
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Yeah but if you squint you can almost see the representation...

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Lindsay had to effectively nuke her career just to avoid being canceled. It wasn’t going well anyway but she has to be low key for the foreseeable future. She still gets a comfortable six figures from her simps of course.

 

[Boston Brand]

Six figures from the simps, AND still hyped up like she matters by breadtube losers like Todd in the Shadows.