Homosexuality is evil.

[The Last Stand]

Outright going out your way to HATE homosexuality I feel is as annoying as making homosexuality your own personality.

 

[SwanSwanson]

You sound mad.

Spoiler: An example of a healthy same sex relationship.

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Same sex relationships has been around since the 20th century at least, hence this Dietrich/Piaf image from 1950. How on Earth does THAT make you upset other than sheer jealousy?

You talk about this as if its not ruining society in this present moment.

Outright going out your way to HATE homosexuality I feel is as annoying as making homosexuality your own personality.

Yes, I will go out of my way to hate evil.

 

[The Last Stand]

You literally get all sorts of horrible diseases from committing it.

You can get STDs with straight sex as well.

I personally fail to see how being attracted to your same sex is evil in and of itself. I know you're going to bring up child molestation, trans mutilation, HIV+ rates, forced diversity, public sexual deviancy, forced diversity. You wouldn't be wrong with the LGBTQ+ enabling this behavior; that crosses another can of worms that goes beyond mere same sex attraction.

I don't care enough to go out my way against same sex attraction in principle.

 

[SwanSwanson]

You can get STDs with straight sex as well.

I personally fail to see how being attracted to your same sex is evil in and of itself. I know you're going to bring up child molestation, trans mutilation, HIV+ rates, forced diversity, public sexual deviancy, forced diversity. You wouldn't be wrong with the LGBTQ+ enabling this behavior; that crosses another can of worms that goes beyond mere same sex attraction.

I don't care enough to go out my way against same sex attraction in principle.

Homosexual people have way higher rates of STDs than straight people. It's not comparable.

 

[Deogracias]

Let's say for the sake of argument that you are completely right.

And? What's the takeaway? What's next? Do you want to make homosexuality illegal? If so, how would you enforce that? Outside of turning entire countries into police states with 24/7 monitoring, I don't see how you can prevent people from sleeping with who they want to behind closed doors.

We can't even agree on what causes homosexuality to begin with! I've heard it all: it's genetic, it's caused by childhood trauma (usually being raped), it's a social contagion, it's caused by Satan. I've even heard one guy claim it's caused by the mother getting sick during pregnancy! So if we can't even agree on what causes homosexuality, I'm not sure it's something that can really be prevented or "cured", if that's what your end goal is. I feel like you've only spoken half of your mind and I don't want to be uncharitable and just assume what your goal is.

Of course, that's assuming you had a goal in mind other than pissing people off. If this was just a way to troll people, 10/10 bait, mate.

 

[Mothra1988]

Homosexual people have way higher rates of STDs than straight people. It's not comparable.

You sound really scared of getting STDs from gay people. Gee, I wonder why that is. Do you think you could lessen you risks by not taking cocks into your asshole? Just an idea.

 

[maddox]

...if you really want it up the ass that bad, you just have to say so. No need for all this masquerade.

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Homosexual desires stem from demonic temptation. If you give in to them, you can get an iniquity of perversion, allowing a demon to inhabit your body and tempt you even more. Because "perversion" is a broad category, becoming a homosexual opens you up to more and even worse demonic sexual temptations. Once you give in to them enough, they get enough influence over your mind that they can start to read your thoughts and respond, as well as control your physiological arousal. In this way, they can brainwash you into thinking that you really do deep down want to do the things that they are tempting you with. They can also do other things like give you sex dreams. But it really is all fake. Once they are embedded to that extent, it's hard to get rid of them, but it can be done.

But you really don't want to encourage people to embrace demonic sexualities like homosexuality, because they will gradually become possessed as their demon gets more and more control over them, and it will cause them to do other evil things as well. Society shouldn't tolerate it, but it is a curable spiritual sickness. Love the sinner and hate the sin.

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[Patrick Bait-man]

OP and @Catler would make a great couple.

 

[RybenZ999]

That being said, i heard that what separates incest from homosexuality is the chance for abuse and grooming in incest? There's even an article about this.
https://slate.com/technology/2010/12/the-david-epstein-incest-case-if-homosexuality-is-ok-why-is-incest-wrong.html
Perhaps there's a refute for this that proves that incest can be compared to homosexuality but I don't know what it is. Perhaps @The Foxtrot or @Norbert the Tiger could provide an argument against that article?

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

That being said, i heard that what separates incest from homosexuality is the chance for abuse and grooming in incest? There's even an article about this.
https://slate.com/technology/2010/12/the-david-epstein-incest-case-if-homosexuality-is-ok-why-is-incest-wrong.html
Perhaps there's a refute for this that proves that incest can be compared to homosexuality but I don't know what it is. Perhaps @The Foxtrot or @Norbert the Tiger could provide an argument against that article?

Hi @RybenZ999, thanks for the mention. Concerning homosexuality, grooming, and really the degree to which homosexuality can be an immutable characteristic as opposed to something that is induced from personal experience or cultural milieu, one must understand that the institutions are ideologically corrupted. No social sciences or psychology department would dare do a study on these matters that does not manipulate variables to prove the desired conclusion that homosexuality is an immutable characteristic, as opposed to something that is influenced by a multitude of factors (which seems so obvious as to be beyond debate). So we are left with things like anecdotal experience. In my anecdotal experience, many male homosexuals had experiences in early adolescence of before that would suggest something happened to affect their wiring.
I believe I posted this video from bitchute before. I recommend it:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/HGk3NuualMW8/

Concerning incest, again things are anecdotal. Various twitter accounts have exposed coom-brained redditors and others of similar ilk say things like, "provided people are of age and participants ensure no child results (ostensibly using abortion as birth control is okay with them). then no one is harmed and there should not be a problem." Again, institutions, principally universities, are so compromised you would never see a reputable study to ascertain whether incidents of incest have increased with ubiquity of porn, mainstreaming of homosexuality, etc, but it is more than plausible.

If you have read the introduction to Slouching Towards Gomorrah and its discussion of how normalization of what was once fringe places what was once firmly taboo on the fringe of the universe of deviant but quasi tolerated behavior, one can predict that things like incest or bestiality are next if transgenderism somehow goes fairly mainstream, because what would be next?

 

[RybenZ999]

@Norbert the Tiger

I believe I posted this video from bitchute before. I recommend it:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HGk3NuualMW8/

Hmm that was actually kinda interesting. Youtube would definitely scrub that kind of stuff off. Tbh I don't care much about stuff like a 17 year old dating a 22 year old, but a 14 year old and a middle aged man is definitely messed up. All that being said though, how do you know that this applies gays in general though? Like, these could just be handpicked examples. There maybe like 50 more who he interviewed yet didn't manage to dig up any dirt on. That being said, all these do confirm my suspicion that childhood sexual abuse could roll people that way.

 

[gang weeder]

You can get STDs with straight sex as well.

I personally fail to see how being attracted to your same sex is evil in and of itself. I know you're going to bring up child molestation, trans mutilation, HIV+ rates, forced diversity, public sexual deviancy, forced diversity. You wouldn't be wrong with the LGBTQ+ enabling this behavior; that crosses another can of worms that goes beyond mere same sex attraction.

I don't care enough to go out my way against same sex attraction in principle.

The most generous view would be that it's a disorder/handicap since you are completely failing at the most basic evolutionary function (reproduction).

The more holistic view is to realize that sexual deviancy is bad because it destroys society at the most fundamental level. As current times are proving right in front of our eyes.

And? What's the takeaway? What's next? Do you want to make homosexuality illegal? If so, how would you enforce that? Outside of turning entire countries into police states with 24/7 monitoring, I don't see how you can prevent people from sleeping with who they want to behind closed doors.

If we can make it illegal to say the N word, we can obviously make it illegal to have butt sex. Low effort, bad faith.

We can't even agree on what causes homosexuality to begin with! I've heard it all: it's genetic, it's caused by childhood trauma (usually being raped), it's a social contagion, it's caused by Satan. I've even heard one guy claim it's caused by the mother getting sick during pregnancy! So if we can't even agree on what causes homosexuality, I'm not sure it's something that can really be prevented or "cured", if that's what your end goal is. I feel like you've only spoken half of your mind and I don't want to be uncharitable and just assume what your goal is.

It doesn't really matter what "causes" it. It's all but certain that genetics plays a large role in determining who will be a violent criminal. Does that mean we can't or shouldn't punish murderers, rapists, and thieves?

 

[The Last Stand]

The more holistic view is to realize that sexual deviancy is bad because it destroys society at the most fundamental level. As current times are proving right in front of our eyes.

No argument there. Unfortunately, it so happens that the majority of sexual deviancy is coming from under the LGBTQ+ umbrella because they're making it a point to have sexuality depraved with no awareness or common public decency.

 

[Deogracias]

@gang weeder

For some reason, I can neither reply nor quote you, so this will have to do.

First off, never, ever say I'm speaking in "bad faith"; I have no patience or time for mind games, let alone start them myself, so I always speak honestly and always in good faith. As for low effort, in what way? Did you want an entire one-page essay from me or did you mean something else? Much like the OP, I feel like you're only speaking half of your mind here.

So if you did make homosexuality illegal, again, you have to answer how do we enforce such a law? Do we monitor people? Perform regular medical examinations to make sure people aren't engaging in same-sex buggery? You can declare anything illegal that you want but if you don't enforce the law, it does little to no good. You call me "Low effort, bad faith." but you yourself did not explain how to enforce that law and how to force people to not be gay.

And you're missing the point on why most people don't care to make homosexuality illegal. Even if you think it's wrong, at the very least, most cases are consensual; they're agreeing to the act. If said act causes them harm, that's on them. The reason we should still punish murderers, raptists, and thieves, as you pointed out, is there is no consent in those acts. No (sane) person wants to be killed, you can't consent to rape (the moment you agree to sex, it's no longer rape), and no one wants their stuff stolen. By contrast, people can at the very least consent to having sex with each other.

Let's get one thing straight; there are a lot of things that I believe are wrong: sex outside of marriage, affairs, being a lazy piece of shit, etc. And technically, yes, I don't believe in homosexuality either. But you can't force people to be good; the best you can do is explain why you think you are right and hope for the best. Virtue has to come from within; forcing people to pay lip service to any specific creed isn't to work long-term. If anything, they're still going to commit whatever acts they want when no one is looking. It's only when people choose to be good out of their own volition that you get the long-term benefits of virtue.

Unless you're trying to tell me we should engage in mass brainwashing, which is a step too dystopian for my tastes. They already try that in dictatorships, I don't see how doing that ourselves is any better just because we're in "the right". Evil acts committed in an attempt to get good results are still evil acts.

 

[gang weeder]

For some reason, I can neither reply nor quote you, so this will have to do.

If a post is too long you can't use the reply button at the bottom. You have to highlight specific segments then hit the "reply" that pops up, like I'm doing here.

As for low effort, in what way? Did you want an entire one-page essay from me or did you mean something else? Much like the OP, I feel like you're only speaking half of your mind here.

I repeat, if we can outlaw racism, we can certainly outlaw being gay. Just like how in the past it was literally illegal to be gay and not illegal to be racist. I don't really know what to tell you, saying that you can't make homosex illegal is like saying that guns can't kill people, or that you won't drown if you jump into the middle of the ocean. It's dumb and wrong on such a basic and obvious level that it becomes difficult to respond to in more detail than that.

So if you did make homosexuality illegal, again, you have to answer how do we enforce such a law? Do we monitor people?

Well gee I don't know, how is racism sanctioned under the current regime? Sure if you are in your house by yourself or with other people that don't care you can say nigger and nothing will happen to you. But through top-down state enforcement and indoctrination, the vast majority of normies have been trained to believe that saying nigger is the greatest most cardinal sin, and they will never do it even if they know they are in a situation where they could get away with it. So again it's just beyond absurd to suggest that effective state sanctions against particular behaviors are impossible or somehow can't exist.

And you're missing the point on why most people don't care to make homosexuality illegal. Even if you think it's wrong, at the very least, most cases are consensual; they're agreeing to the act.

Do you support legalizing pedophilia, necrophilia, bestality, or viewing of child pornography?

But you can't force people to be good; the best you can do is explain why you think you are right and hope for the best. Virtue has to come from within; forcing people to pay lip service to any specific creed isn't to work long-term.

Again, obviously proven false by the tiniest most cursory glance at how much state action has moved the needle on attitudes about race, gender, etc. People respond to power and their behavior can clearly be shaped accordingly. Not with 100% perfection, in the sense that making murder illegal doesn't prevent any murders from ever happening at all, but it sure does lower the amount of them.

Unless you're trying to tell me we should engage in mass brainwashing, which is a step too dystopian for my tastes. They already try that in dictatorships, I don't see how doing that ourselves is any better just because we're in "the right". Evil acts committed in an attempt to get good results are still evil acts.

Moral neutrality doesn't exist and there will be a moral standard one way or the other. If you aren't the one perpetrating it, it will just be someone else, quite possibly someone worse than you.

 

[Deogracias]

Do you support legalizing pedophilia, necrophilia, bestality, or viewing of child pornography?

No, of course not, and if you actually read my previous post, you would know that each of those violates the concept of consent.

Please don't make me explain that again.

Do you always accuse everyone who disagrees with you of vile shit all the time or should I feel special?

So again it's just beyond absurd to suggest that effective state sanctions against particular behaviors are impossible or somehow can't exist.

People respond to power and their behavior can clearly be shaped accordingly.

Moral neutrality doesn't exist and there will be a moral standard one way or the other. If you aren't the one perpetrating it, it will just be someone else, quite possibly someone worse than you.

That sounds way too close to "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". Maybe you think you could handle that kind of power, or maybe you have someone else in mind for that kind of job, but I don't want to live in a world with that much top-down enforcement. I already think governments everywhere interfere with the average person too much as it is, I don't think just because people I agree with are in charge would make such a system any better in the long term.

 

[gang weeder]

No, of course not, and if you actually read my previous post, you would know that each of those violates the concept of consent.

Please don't make me explain that again.

I don't see where your post touched on any of those. Feel free to try and quote what I'm missing.

Do you always accuse everyone who disagrees with you of vile shit all the time or should I feel special?

You're the one who wants to go the route of "consent is literally the only value that ever exists or matters." You asked for it.

That sounds way too close to "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". Maybe you think you could handle that kind of power, or maybe you have someone else in mind for that kind of job, but I don't want to live in a world with that much top-down enforcement. I already think governments everywhere interfere with the average person too much as it is, I don't think just because people I agree with are in charge would make such a system any better in the long term.

No one can really "handle that power" in the sense that no one is perfect. That's why most modern countries at least try to have some sort of division of powers so that it's not only a single dictator who has it all. But the fact remains that, clearly, there is a set of people and institutions who have power, and they do enforce it at the barrel of a gun. And there is no evidence that any other arrangement of human affairs is possible at all. Every country of even minor note all over the world has this in common, on every continent across every culture. It's baked into human nature. So someone is going to have that government gun, and if it's not you, it will be someone else.

 

[The Last Stand]

Do you support legalizing pedophilia, necrophilia, bestality, or viewing of child pornography?

Where are you getting this from? Nobody in their right (sound of) mind would support those for obvious reasons.

I repeat, if we can outlaw racism, we can certainly outlaw being gay.

Citation please. Where is racism "outlawed"? If you're talking about platforms with CoC, that's clearly written within their guidelines upon using the products. For DEI initiatives, in practice, that just creates more racism. Both arguments and positions are invalid.

 

[Whatevermancer]

Based.
Once we outlaw homosexuality, we can prepare the normies to the idea that fornication and sex for fun are evil. Then we can ban condoms and other contraceptives.

 

[Dr Cruel]

This is what comes from allowing socialism to exist.