Margaret Pless / idlediletante / Stan - Official Kiwi Farms Advertiser and Enthusiast Who Has Proudly Eaten Ass. Now Posting Her Tits to Own the Troons!

Most places don't have a safe space for Holocaust denial content, for example. This is I guess part of the dubious (?) charm of the farms, but... do we really need to give holocaust deniers and trannies and flat earth people the same place in the marketplace of ideas as mainstream doctrine?
It's essential to allow fringe and extreme views in the marketplace of ideas, because if you don't, you'll just cause people who hold those views to segregate themselves in echo chambers where nobody is going to challenge their beliefs because everyone already thinks the same thing.

Take Holocaust denial for example. Anyone who thinks that the Holocaust didn't happen is a retard, full stop. I've been to Auschwitz, I've seen testimony by both the victims and some of the perpetrators, and there is an ample amount of physical evidence that the Holocaust did in fact happen in largely the way that it is described by historians today. So why allow discussion of Holocaust denial here, or in any other space? Because people need to be able to see for themselves that those who deny the reality of the Holocaust have nothing to back up their arguments. Prohibiting open and free discussion of the Holocaust, or any other topic only lends undeserved credence to the idea that maybe the fringe view has some merit, otherwise why wouldn't debate be allowed?

The same goes for flat Earthers, 9/11 truthers, or any other "conspiracy theory". Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Twenty years ago, before corporate consolidation destroyed the internet, there were plenty of communities one could find where you could discuss anything you wanted, and if people thought your ideas were retarded, you would get ridiculed. Sound familiar?

Moreover, I actually do believe passionately in free speech. In the US, there have been common sense prohibitions on speech for decades, such as on violent threats, falsely yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, defamation, etc. Those restrictions are all sensible, and I support them without reservation. But the new standard that the Big Tech Mullahs seek to enforce is a ban on any speech that is considered "offensive". That I absolutely do not support, because protecting offensive speech is the most important thing if you want to have a free democracy.

And let's not forget about the thorny issue of who gets to decide what is considered "offensive"... As it stands, the arbiters of what is offensive are unelected corporate officers and board members whose priority is not ensuring a healthy democracy but rather ensuring that they will be able to continue to enrich themselves by not offending their real customers, the advertisers. The fact that nearly all of these people are of a particular political persuasion isn't immaterial either. They are seeking to enforce the supremacy of their views by prohibiting discussion of any ideas that violate their political orthodoxy.

Let's think about the trans issue... Until Elon Musk bought Twitter, one would have been forgiven for thinking that there was a broad social consensus around transing kids, letting males destroy female sports, putting males into women's prisons, and all of the other utter nonsense that the trans cult has tried to force on society over the last five or so years. The fact is that if you try to point out the obvious ridiculousness and genuine harm of these policies on any platform other than Twitter, you will be censored, and as I said previously, subjected to a torrent of abuse that violates both the letter and the spirit of those platforms content moderation policies.

The fact is that vast majorities in both the US, the UK, and most of the other Western world do not think that any of those things should be happening. Public opinion surveys have shown as much. And what's really insidious is that because of the forced teaming of LGB with the TQ+ crowd, people are beginning to have much more negative attitudes toward gay people, most of whom did absolutely nothing to encourage this bullshit. Two decades of increasingly positive attitudes toward homosexuals have been erased because a bunch of TRA tech bros have decided that their view is the only acceptable view, and they will censor anyone who dares posit an opinion to the contrary.

They have been very effective in creating an illusion of consensus, but as I've alluded to, their tactics don't eliminate opposing ideas, they just drive them to spaces where people can say what they think, that indeed, is what the majority thinks, without fear of being cancelled. This is why Kiwi Farms exists, quite simply, on "mainstream" platforms, you are severely curtailed in what you are allowed to express without fearing for your livelihood or reputation. If part of the bargain is allowing retards who think the Earth is flat or that the Holocaust didn't happen to express their ideas, it's a small price to pay.

TL;DR - Censorship is almost always a bad thing. Kiwi Farms is just about the last place that doesn't engage in it.
 
It's essential to allow fringe and extreme views in the marketplace of ideas, because if you don't, you'll just cause people who hold those views to segregate themselves in echo chambers where nobody is going to challenge their beliefs because everyone already thinks the same thing.
I agree and yet there is certainly a political tendency on the Farms to lean right, even hard-right. Some broadly offensive content is very normalized here (eg racism, sexism) whereas other radical/extreme/out there kind of stuff doesn’t have much purchase. For example, there isn’t a Crystal Healing thread afaik. There's one Man-hate thread in BP and the men barge in to shit it up constantly, because they feel threatened by any sort of feminist activity on the Farms.

So it isn't just that there are some ideas I feel are false and misleading, but that given room to "question" the holocaust you end up with a Nazi larp thread. And this isn't purely an intellectual exercise in bigotry tolerance, because if that was true, we might also have a "based Jew" thread or a radfem consciousness-raising thread. But these opinions tend to get shouted down at the farms, and that has a cooling effect on speech.

Ironically the Farms has to be moderated to allow the free speech to continue. That's a complicated and nuanced topic that requires an actual human at the controls figuring out what's permissible and what isn't.

One reason I stuck around here after having my identity unmasked was that I felt if there weren't a particularly hardy breed of center-left people to colonize the Farms then it would just devolve into a boy's club for wannabe klansmen.
Oh no, now you've done it. They're here :(

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Theyll call you a Holocaust denier for questioning anything, even the numbers. Auschwitz admitted they were off by 2.5 million.

The Holocaust is an attempted genocide and ethnic cleansing. The Shoah doesn't need embellishment, but human skin lampshades and a rounding error of 2.5 million have somehow made it in. It needs an audit.

No one should be called a Holocaust denier for subjecting to scrutiny anything asserted as fact, including the Holocaust Narrative TM. Who are we to demand someone have an opinion on the Holocaust, and why shouldn't everyone people expect their genocide be given the same spotlight.
I can't tell which is worse: being a gay Orthdox Jewish holocaust revisionist, or pretending to be one in the Internet to own the libs.
 
I can't tell which is worse: being a gay Orthdox Jewish holocaust revisionist, or pretending to be one in the Internet to own the libs.
Wow, you called him a meany poopoo head. Epic rebuttal. I'm sure you convinced him with all those great facts.
This is just like when you got BTFO in the Holocaust thread, over and over. You are pathetic.
"Ooh I don't know what's worse!" Your ugliness and fatness is worse. Did that make you consider my opinion? It probably made you consider food didn't it you fat nigger.
 
I'm unsettled with the fact I bulked out to the extent I have,

I can't tell which is worse: being a gay Orthdox Jewish holocaust revisionist, or pretending to be one in the Internet to own the libs.
Thanks for your opinion on the Holocaust, Gentile. I'm sure you've given it a lot of thought.

Liberal insults make no sense. All historical records need revision.

"Say, let's correct some of these errors!" "REVISIONIST!"
 
What shocks me more than anything is the content on A&H. Most places don't have a safe space for Holocaust denial content, for example. This is I guess part of the dubious (?) charm of the farms, but... do we really need to give holocaust deniers and trannies and flat earth people the same place in the marketplace of ideas as mainstream doctrine?
Most places don't have a "safe space" for people who still acknowledge there's only two genders either, so maybe you should not consider that most places being intolerant of certain ideas is somehow a good thing to emulate. Maybe you should just not give a fuck if people question the Holocaust, or better yet, educate them with the facts if you can (doubtful, you probably just parrot whatever the ADL says with no proof).

A&N is the best part of the site because it's one of the few places which permits the wrongthink you hate so much, like citing FBI crime statistics inconvenient to black supremacists such as yourself.
 
Wow, you called him a meany poopoo head. Epic rebuttal. I'm sure you convinced him with all those great facts.
This is just like when you got BTFO in the Holocaust thread, over and over. You are pathetic.
"Ooh I don't know what's worse!" Your ugliness and fatness is worse. Did that make you consider my opinion? It probably made you consider food didn't it you fat nigger.
Jesus Christ you’re tiresome.
 
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I'm sorry you didn't die in the bunker then
Yes, anyone--or rather any white person--who wants to preserve his posterity, make sure his phenotype does not wind up relegated in a fucking museum is as bad as Hitler and deserves to die. And you wonder why myself and others give you so much shit.
Incidentally, I am very pro-Nazi, pro-Wehrmacht, and hardcore, unabashed Wehraboo through and through, but I am most averse to Hitler. It is just that my aversion to Hitler is not of the conventional sort urged by the ADL or Jonathan Greenblatt or Steven Spielberg. My aversion to Hitler is of the very sort harbored by his best generals and officers. A somewhat unusual take, but one that demonstrates I am capable of original, unique thought.
I almost want to be honest with you and share a 1,200 word essay I wrote titled "I want to give you money", a treatise on the merits of giving nominal sums of cash to buskers and beggars.
Well we all dodged a bull there, for once.
But I think it's too good for you. I'll speak to a more enlightened prottie male about it, I do it IRL every time I shop for groceries (utilize the charity bin, plebs!)
I am sure each and every one is THRILLED with your unsolicited ramblings and condescension.
One of the things that will constantly bedevil the free speech forum is just gratuitous offensive speech (e.g. ASCII n-word) or gratutious hate speech content against [name what you don't like here].
Oh NO! NOT hate speech. Anything but HATE SPEECH!!!!!!!
What shocks me more than anything is the content on A&H. Most places don't have a safe space for Holocaust denial content, for example.
It shocks her, everybody. HA!
This whole rambling screed is absolutely unintelligible. Just jaw dropping
I think it's reasonable for me to say that my detractors are unreasonably focused on my waistline and/or my personal life course
YOU choose to divulge your pictures well after this thread was created, even as much as a week ago. You chose to larp as some Regina George type, telling myself, @m1ddl3m4rch, so many others how much better your life is, how you are better educated (without knowing Mid's academic credentials). And then you shriek out when called out and ridiculed for your tiresome antics.
the men who demand total chastity prior to marriage are terrible in bed. Also he's stanning so hard for a self-hating Jewish faggot that I want to tell them to get a room already.
As your other scurrilous accusation is utterly without merit and has already been addressed, I will address this. Do you think I am a bible-thumper? I'm not. I actually believe there needs to be a balance between unreasonable prudery and the sort of wanton profligacy and degeneracy that abounds today. But you would not know what. As usual, you carry on, blithering about half-cocked not knowing what you are talking about or who you are dealing with.
I was programmed from early childhood onwards to feel shame towards my size, despite whatever strength it affords me.
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Beyond that, perhaps you were not shamed or enough, or may just not given the best parental advice and support to set you up for success.
I'm somewhere between OK and unsettled with the fact I bulked out to the extent I have
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and yet there is certainly a political tendency on the Farms to lean right, even hard-right.
Oh NO! Not that, leaning not just right, but HARD-RIGHT! You do not need to threaten me with a good time, because I have already been having one. Hard-line, radical right-wingery, right-wing extremism is the ONLY way.
Some broadly offensive content is very normalized here (eg racism, sexism)
Consider such content is not offensive to many but we live in a repressed society not unlike the GDR under die Stasi. Perhaps it should not be offensive. Perhaps we as Americans (and Europeans who exist in American satellite states) have not only bene taught lies, but have been taught lies as truth. Truth is racist, and it is also sexist. Humans are sexually dimorphic. Men and women have their own unique strengths and weaknesses, making division of labor sensible.
There's one Man-hate thread in BP and the men barge in to shit it up constantly, because they feel threatened by any sort of feminist activity on the Farms.
Another statement against one's interest (yours). Thank you for conceding that feminism is what anti-feminists have long-asserted, hatred of men.
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One reason I stuck around here after having my identity unmasked was that I felt if there weren't a particularly hardy breed of center-left people to colonize the Farms then it would just devolve into a boy's club for wannabe klansmen.
By all accounts your efforts to "colonize the Farms" are going swimmingly. You have alienated no one, made lots of friends, and converted lots of people. The allusion to klansmen is not at all ridiculous and shows just how in touch you are with the world today.
The Holocaust is an attempted genocide and ethnic cleansing. The Shoah doesn't need embellishment, but human skin lampshades and a rounding error of 2.5 million have somehow made it in. It needs an audit.
This is pretty much my position, Auschwitz went from 3.5 to 4 million victoms, down to 1.5 Where do they make up that missing two million?
Another article about 90 something Ukrainians who served in the Waffen SS, there was an admission that a Canadian state inquiry found Simon Wiesenthal full of shit on some matter or another. Only Ukrainian war frenzy has inspired a desire to make such a bold statement. Begs the question what else he is full of shit about.

My position on the Holocaust is that it probably happened, but I really don't care that much. When that issue comes up I bring u things like Finkelstein's Holocaust Industry, and how Jewish groups have used to commit literal extortion, and as a bludgeoning tool to silence dissent.
Beyond that, as Ernst Nolte and others teach us, Stalin killed far more many people before Hitler ever came to power. But all we ever hear about is Hitler. And we rarely hear of his barbarism to gentile Poles or other Slavs, nor are most interested in things like von Manstein's infamous chapter from Lost Victories about the criminal disregard for the lives of his own, or what he planned to do to the German populace in the last days of the war, if Albert Speer did not refuse to do it. It is only ever about Jews. Maybe the Allies colluded with Stalin not because he was less of a despot and tyrant, he was much worse. It was because Stalin, at least at the time, was conducive to Jewish interests and Hitler was not.
One last thing, Richard J Evans and other historians assert that Hitler did not intend to carry through the Final Solution in the beginning. He did really intend to expatriate them. But when he correctly saw International Jewry pushing for the war to escalate, he decided well, if Germany is going to put in such a close call or even a war she cannot win (this latter description is the correct one, although in small part because of Hitler's megalomania that allowed him to get in a war with three peer powers simultaneously), then I am taking these Jews in occuped territory. Evans describes it as the greatest hostage situation in history.

In this way, Hitler is a figure not unlike MacBeth, who was put in a position of existential doom due to not just his war-mongering but the war-mongering of that alcoholic Judeophile absurdly regarded by many as the greatest Briton who ever lived. In that existential doom that Churchill and others insisted on, he made the decision to take others with him. Britain of course could have--and should have--just walked away after Dunkirk, if not declining to declare war at all given Germany's legitimate territorial claims on Danzig.
 
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Bit puzzled about Marge's thread being here.
"Rat Kings are members of the LGBTQ community who use their position, influence, and connections for personal gain. While they are almost always transgender, it is not a requirement."
She might be a sneaky influence and connections scheming enjoyer, but she's a married mother, yes? So not a fag🌈
The subforum was originally made for a bunch of (mostly) LGBT people who were all connected to each other in some way, or at least around three particular cows (ADF, Laurelai, and Nora Reed). The connections were the important part. That being said, I have found a new home for this thread.
I’d love to have my thread moved to BP.
Oh, um, about that...
 
Fuck off Anton, you said you wouldn’t tell.
Why would I continue to keep your secret when you were unwilling to stop misrepresenting things that I said?

Besides, I think you kinda like this, or you would have just left this account behind and start a new anonymous one. It lets you feel like you're doing a brave thing, doing your small little part in civilizing the unkempt kiwifarms, the barbarians that have the wrong view on judaism and feminism. You're like a jewish missionary. But the truth is you're home here more than in places like reddit and it kinda gnaws at you. You want to roll in the mud with the other pigs, but at the same time imagine you're better and would vote to close the pigsty if given the chance.

And then you'd miss it when it does close.
 
@Stan , since you’re apparently not banned, answer my question: Why did you come here and dox yourself, when you aspire to be some form of journoscum? Are you just that retarded? Or is there some master plan at work? I just can’t believe someone that works in the public sector would just shoot themselves in the foot for zero reason. You didn’t post anything substantive, save for your comment about hating trannies that got deleted by the rollback.
 
Oh dear
OK Marge we worked a bit on that journalistic accuracy
Now it's really the time to work on the BMI part and show these nasty incels you can get back in the same shape you were in that early pic that got posted
That photo is from like ~2009. But yes, I am working on it.
@Stan , since you’re apparently not banned, answer my question: Why did you come here and dox yourself, when you aspire to be some form of journoscum? Are you just that retarded? Or is there some master plan at work? I just can’t believe someone that works in the public sector would just shoot themselves in the foot for zero reason. You didn’t post anything substantive, save for your comment about hating trannies that got deleted by the rollback.
This isn’t really by choice, some snitch ratted me out.
Basically I was intrigued by what motivates seemingly perceptive people like @Lemmingwiser to become holocaust denialists. His answer was unsatisfying, it was basically "well it doesn't feel right to me." (Feelings before facts lmao)

In an effort to encourage him to be forthcoming (because I really do want to understand why people who are otherwise compos mentis go for this Holocaust denial stuff) I let him contact me on my normal Discord. I didn't just do this with Anton, I also entrusted Chugger and Gabriel Aleph with these deets and they were able to handle it. I knew I'd fucked up when Anton started to make such a big fucking deal about it (omg! your dox! That's so unsafe!! I'll keep your secret tho lol")

Basically any time I disagreed with Anton thereafter he would threaten to dox me. When I tried to sympathize with his feelings he wrote back something like "Quiet little girl or I'll dox your university email address" I found this so tiresome after awhile that I called his bluff. So, like I said, Anton blames me for trusting the wrong man but doesn't blame himself for being that wrong man.

I don't re-anonymize because 1) this could just happen again, there's only so many Anglican evangelist women out here, 2) I don't want to pretend to be the normative Kiwi Farmer that the "Stan" persona was meant to represent for another 2-3 years of lurking, and 4) Only thing dumber than getting doxed on the Kiwi is getting doxed several times.
 
I found this so tiresome after awhile that I called his bluff
I don't bluff. It just seemed so monumentally stupid to continue to misrepresent things as you're doing now. That's why I gave a second warning instead of pulling the trigger right away. I guess you just can't help yourself, not even in your own interest.

I knew I'd fucked up when Anton started to make such a big fucking deal about it
Then why were you disappointed when I told you I didn't want to keep in contact on discord?

Reading your account of how things went is like 50% of what happened and 50% re-imagination in hindsight.
 
Basically I was intrigued by what motivates seemingly perceptive people like @Lemmingwiser to become holocaust denialists.
If that’s the case, you’re even more retarded lmao. I’m not even a ‘holocaust denialist’, but I’ve seen more than enough of their evidence on /pol/ and here that I can think ‘ah, I see, the smokestacks and the logistical nightmare of baking 6 million cookies. Got it’. Why you thought this was such a puzzling mystery that you had to ask the very people that write threads about you is what I’m not getting. Why not just go to /pol/?

I kinda don’t buy it. I think there’s something more to you wanting to be here. There are a million antisemitic websites that have no clue who you are. I think that you agree with us, you just can’t get past the yucky antisemites. But just know that there’s not an underlying ethos here, we don’t all believe the same things. People of gender can even exist here in harmony with the rest of us. But you, trying to exist here in a fence sitter position where you don’t say anything too naughty, is not gonna save you from your SJW friends when they find out.

Edit, as I’d hate to double: Marge, do you still stand by your defensive of that retard srhbutts? And did you ever explain why your email was the same name as that pedophile forum? Seems pretty coincidental :)
 
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I don't bluff. It just seemed so monumentally stupid to continue to misrepresent things as you're doing now. That's why I gave a second warning instead of pulling the trigger right away. I guess you just can't help yourself, not even in your own interest.


Then why were you disappointed when I told you I didn't want to keep in contact on discord?
It was because I thought you were an interesting person. Maybe I even liked you a little bit. Maybe I thought your holocaust denial was somewhat less shallow than "eh, I don't think that's believeable". That's long gone now, btw, gtfo you Holocaust Revisionist, Great-Replacement believing, slut.
Reading your account of how things went is like 50% of what happened and 50% re-imagination in hindsight.
OH really. Because you know, I have the receipts of our conversation. Unlike you.
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And did you ever explain why your email was the same name as that pedophile forum? Seems pretty coincidental
I'm not sure what you're referring to.

But you know what? Yeah, I still stand by what I said about srhbutts. It was fucked up of Milo to run underage nude photos of her in Breitbart, let alone to do it as part of a 3-part article series. And since you guys have such a hard-on for free speech and lowering the age of consent to 14 or younger, then I can't imagine what your problem would be with her, either.
 
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