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That is a very fair interpretation. Emperor’s pool boy is pretty much exactly how the less intelligent of the officer class felt about Vader. That’s what separates a smart officer like Tarkin from retards. In A New Hope Tarkin is officially in charge over Vader in regards to the Death Star. But you’ll notice he either defers to, or requests Vader’s input on pretty much everything because he respected Vader and his abilities and station in the Empire.
Contrast with Motti who canonically is a fucking moron and well, you saw how that worked out.
 
One thing I've noticed is that Ray Stevenson's departure really did hurt Disney's chances. If he were still alive, this lukewarm series finale to Ahsoka could have easily been remedied in eight words. Star Wars: The Book of Baylan Skoll. Have a new show that gets into the head of this new, fan-favorite character, explore his beliefs, his ideology, his past, and why he became who he was in the Ahsoka show, while leaning on Ray Stevenson's acting and performance to carry a narrative. He certainly was more beloved than Ahsoka in her own show, so giving him his own show would've allowed Disney to shrug off the fact that Ahsoka's Season Finale felt like Diet Narnia, and given them a good footing to make something that would make people forget about Andor.

But as it is right now? They're stuck between a rock and a hard place; they have to recast Baylan Skoll while at the same time, dealing with the fact that people outside of the TCW faithful didn't really like that ending.

That is a very fair interpretation. Emperor’s pool boy is pretty much exactly how the less intelligent of the officer class felt about Vader. That’s what separates a smart officer like Tarkin from retards. In A New Hope Tarkin is officially in charge over Vader in regards to the Death Star. But you’ll notice he either defers to, or requests Vader’s input on pretty much everything because he respected Vader and his abilities and station in the Empire.
Contrast with Motti who canonically is a fucking moron and well, you saw how that worked out.
Exactly. One can also surmise that most of Vader's competitors in Palpatine's power structure died onboard the Death Star and were replaced by people who aren't too keen on standing up against him.
 
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They'll be back when the Acolyte comes out.
 

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Star Wars -- at least pre-JJ -- seems to be more realistic than Star Trek, despite both being "soft science fiction". Less made-up particles and materials, no transporters, not as much time travel (if any), and while there's "The Force" in Star Wars, "psionics" and "energy beings" like the Q are a thing in Star Trek.

Also while not having heat radiators to get rid of excess heat seems unrealistic, ships in Star Wars could dump excess heat out with the exhaust from those ubiquitous rocket-y engines somehow. There's even "thermal exhaust port" on the Death Star. Meanwhile, Federation starships of Star Trek seem to lack even that.

Aside from the "reactionless drive" thing visiting alien spacecraft are said to have, another thing making me skeptical of UFO lore is their lack of heat radiators. In vacuum, excess heat can only be released via radiation: convection and conduction do not work.

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Star Wars -- at least pre-JJ -- seems to be more realistic than Star Trek, despite both being "soft science fiction". Less made-up particles and materials, no transporters, not as much time travel (if any), and while there's "The Force" in Star Wars, "psionics" and "energy beings" like the Q are a thing in Star Trek.
That, and you can kill the Force-users in Star Wars even if you were a muggle. Order 66 was basically one giant case of that. Whereas the energy beings in Trek might as well be the fucking Fairy Godmother because their power fluctuates according to the plot. In TNG, Q was practically Picard's Fairy Godfather. A quick-thinking soldier, rent-a-cop, or space cowboy can give the Jedi the slip if they use their brains.

Also while not having heat radiators to get rid of excess heat seems unrealistic, ships in Star Wars could dump excess heat out with the exhaust from those ubiquitous rocket-y engines somehow. There's even "thermal exhaust port" on the Death Star. Meanwhile, Federation starships of Star Trek seem to lack even that.
That's because Trek technology is practically magic under a different name, whereas Star Wars, especially in its early days, tried to be military sci-fi with a small dash of psychic energy.
 
That's because Trek technology is practically magic under a different name, whereas Star Wars, especially in its early days, tried to be military sci-fi with a small dash of psychic energy.
Despite all the "magic" in Star Trek, it seems that (pre-JJ) Star Trek tries to appear as "hard science fiction", which is ironic as Star Wars was never presented as such.
 
Despite all the "magic" in Star Trek, it seems that (pre-JJ) Star Trek tries to appear as "hard science fiction", which is ironic as Star Wars was never presented as such.
Trek is about as Hard Sci-Fi as fucking Dragon Ball Z. Compare Trek tech to SW tech, SW has detailed tech manuals because they don't rely on BS Treknobabble. You know what an Ion Cannon does, what a Hyperdrive does, what a Lightsaber does. There's no confusing things.
 
That season finale was... really something

Did Titus Pullo die before they finished it? Is that why he's in it for like ten seconds as he follows the journey of the not-Fellowship of the Ring down the not-Anduin to the not-Gates of Argonath? At least not-Minas Tirith got destroyed

Who gives a shit about his heroin chic dangerhair apprentice going back to her new bandit frens?

Jesus how much plot armor are Asuker, Ezra, and femboi dangerhair gonna get? Attacked by 50 stormtroopers but only 4-5 of them fire at the same time, later femboi dangerhair turns her back to 4 zombie stormtroopers 20 feet away and none of them fire until she turns around again, Asuker is surrounded by zombies and new nightsister and doesn't get shot from 20 different directions at once, femboi dangerhair and Asuker are running to the edge of the platform with 30 zombies chasing them but the zombies again only fire 3-4 shots and they all miss, TIE fighters have a perfect head to head attack run ambush on the Jedi shuttle and only hit one shot then get merked by the shuttle literally fucking ramming them LOLOLOL (why didn't the TIE fighters attack from behind the second time, instead of going the whole way around to attack head to head again?), the Chimaera's turbolaser batteries completely miss the heroes at point blank range two different times...

Real Thrawn would never accept such sheer incompetence smdh
 
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Trek is about as Hard Sci-Fi as fucking Dragon Ball Z.
Also it seems aliens in Star Trek are almost always "Earthlings with funny bumps"* or "energy beings", except in the animated series. In Star Wars they're more varied.

* There was that one TNG episode that tried to explain it with those humanoids tampering with alien DNA though.
 
And not having heat radiators to get rid of excess heat seems unrealistic, ships in Star Wars could dump excess heat out with the exhaust from those ubiquitous rocket-y engines somehow. There's even "thermal exhaust port" on the Death Star. Meanwhile, Federation starships of Star Trek seem to lack even that.
Star Wars canon not just the EU will strongly disagree on this as waste heat and needing to continuously dissipate it all the time is the one design element on almost everything that generates heat like ships. The X-Wing and B-Wing s-foils are a noticeable examples of it.
 
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This is just stupid writers trying and failing to write a smart character.

Tie Fighter is a 30 year old game, so I can spoiler it. Thrawn tricks a mutinying admiral into taking a super stealth experimental ship. Than he forces him to flee in it. It is the invisible escape ship.

Of course, the ship is experimental. It can't cloak and hyperdrive. So when Zaarin tries to escape he blows himself up.

Thrawn does his keiaku smirk.

Filoni's fools just think smart means -doing nonsense but it just works!-

Without any thought as to why it would work.
They learned well from the capeshit school of writing smart characters.

That is 90% of Batman plots, and they just use random McGuffins to explain it.
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Also it seems aliens in Star Trek are almost always "Earthlings with funny bumps"* or "energy beings", except in the animated series. In Star Wars they're more varied.

Feature films have larger budgets and longer production times than TV shows. Original Trek was so cash-strapped that they went dumpster-diving for set material.
 
Like I said before I think Filoni's worst tendency is his inability to let his characters go or to go through any serious kind of setback. He can't bring himself to let them die. I can understand this, since I'm a writer (not screenplays, granted, but it's the same whether it's prose or stage), but at a certain point if the plot necessitates it or if it's simply getting to be too ridiculous, you've got to cut the cord. But the bigger thing is really that he can't seem to let them struggle or lose. It's just not possible for Ahsoka to lose, in fact she really hasn't ever. All of her "struggles" and "setbacks" aren't really that, since 9 times out of 10 it's wrapped up within an episode. This goes back to the Clone Wars.

I get not wanting the character to die in the Purge, so he wrote her out via leaving the Order. It's compelling, even if the execution was thoroughly flawed. But not allowing her to die by Vader's hand, when it would've not only made sense but added another nail into Vader's proverbial coffin, was a sin that he can't recover from.

Not like it matters anyway. Ahsoka wasn't even the main character in her own self-titled show.
 
The old Battlegrounds game by coincidence made sense after the prequels.

Before Ep3, we didn't know how Palps killed the Jedi.

But EP3 clearly shows how Anakin leads a whole ton of clones in to the temple in a proper military operation.

So the moffs would know. Its not like the clones were all mind wiped by Grey Knights after it, their gear or at least gunship must have a camera.

Star Trek and Dr Who ironically was always the US/UK magical pair to the more grounded SW/40K.

SW/40k just admitted they aren't hard sci fi but fantasy with tech.
You pretty much know how a lightsaber, blaster, bolter or teleporter work in the general sense and what it consistently does. Like how a DND crossbow works.

With Trek, just a phaser can be a mini nuke, a regular gun, a stun ray and a welder ... somehow. And no you can't use the pocket death star setting in a firefigth unless the plot needy you to.

Every tech is just a plot device that does and can't do what the plot needs it to.

Sure there are some inconsistencies, but general mechanics are there. That's why TLJs arching turbolasers and dropped bombs made fans angry. Because proton bombs and turbolasers had a defined way of acting. With a quantum torpedo, you can just say that it suddenly can't fly because of the pozitronic invertion flux getting interference from the tachyon carburator matrix's oscillating reosnance with the local moon's deerpium deposits.

ST and DW just pretended to be super science by technobabble and had very little internal consistency save for the DS9 war arc. But they throw physics words, car part words and all that at the viewer. Lampooned by both Futurama and Rick and Morty.
 
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Also it seems aliens in Star Trek are almost always "Earthlings with funny bumps"* or "energy beings", except in the animated series. In Star Wars they're more varied.

* There was that one TNG episode that tried to explain it with those humanoids tampering with alien DNA though.
They should've just explained it as human colonists instead of aliens. Maybe they were some human explorers whose ship got lost in a more primitive time, and they had to make do with lesser tech, so when the Enterprise comes along, it's far more advanced than anything they've seen. That way, you won't need to buy goofy-looking forhead bumps that are about as convincing as a cheap Halloween costume. I remember in the Tales of the Jedi comics, the Republic made contact with the Onderon civilization, and the Onderonians were humans, but they lost contact with the Republic and had more primitive technology compared to the Republic, which, even back in 4000 BBY, had fucking jet troopers.

The old Battlegrounds game by coincidence made sense after the prequels.

Before Ep3, we didn't know how Palps killed the Jedi.

But EP3 clearly shows how Anakin leads a whole ton of clones in to the temple in a proper military operation.

So the moffs would know. Its not like the clones were all mind wiped by Grey Knights after it, their gear or at least gunship must have a camera.
Exactly. Tarkin even stated that the rumors about Vader's identity started with the 501st, so the 501st obviously saw Anakin being referred to as Lord Vader, they have helmet cam footage of him killing Jedi, and the older generation of Moffs and upper-class Imperial military, most of whom were already army officers before Order 66, would have access to that shit.

Star Trek and Dr Who ironically was always the US/UK magical pair to the more grounded SW/40K.

SW/40k just admitted they aren't hard sci fi but fantasy with tech.
You pretty much know how a lightsaber, blaster, bolter or teleporter work in the general sense and what it consistently does. Like how a DND crossbow works.
Exactly. Each piece of tech has its own use. You don't see people using blasters or bolters as welders, each piece of tech has one use, and it makes sense in context.

With Trek, just a phaser can be a mini nuke, a regular gun, a stun ray and a welder ... somehow. And no you can't use the pocket death star setting in a firefigth unless the plot needy you to.

Every tech is just a plot device that does and can't do what the plot needs it to.
Which again, makes Trek tech be more like capeshit. It is ridiculous that people actually see Trek as more science-based than Star Wars, when Trek tech is basically magic with Treknobabble.

Sure there are some inconsistencies, but general mechanics are there. That's why TLJs arching turbolasers and dropped bombs made fans angry. Because proton bombs and turbolasers had a defined way of acting. With a quantum torpedo, you can just say that it suddenly can't fly because of the pozitronic invertion flux getting interference from the tachyon carburator matrix's oscillating reosnance with the local moon's deerpium deposits.
SW fans are more angry about tech inconsistencies than Trek fans are. Go figure. If the dreaded Holdo Maneuver happened in Star Trek, your average Trekkie would've just accepted it and moved on. They would actually be proud of that shit and use that to flex on SW fans in VS debates.

ST and DW just pretended to be super science by technobabble and had very little internal consistency save for the DS9 war arc. But they throw physics words, car part words and all that at the viewer. Lampooned by both Futurama and Rick and Morty.
That's why you have the word "Treknobabble". It literally is a Trek tradition that you just use science-babble instead of actually having a consistent tech base. Again, this is why I can't accept people saying that Star Trek is more scientific than Star Wars. Anyone who says that clearly didn't do well in science class, let alone studied how Trek uses its "science".
 
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Original Trek was so cash-strapped that they went dumpster-diving for set material.
What if they went with the animated series from the start?

Also while that was the case with TAS, TNG continued that tradition even if they had a bigger budget.

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"Treknobabble"
"If we reverse polarity of the tachyon stream and channel it through the main deflector, we may be able to phase through the anomaly without much damage to the ship!"

Also Doctor Who tries to pass itself off as "hard SF" too?
 
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What if they went with the animated series from the start?

Also while that was the case with TAS, TNG continued that tradition even if TNG had a bigger budget.
Yep. I remember an early TNG episode where there was an entire species of tribal African people who kidnap Tasha Yar.

"If we reverse polarity of the tachyon stream and channel it through the main deflector, we may be able to phase through the anomaly without much damage to the ship!"
Every time Star Trek does that, I bust a gut over the many morons on the web who still claim that Trek is far more "scientific" than Star Wars.
 
TMP era is still where its at.

To be fair, It's not hard to be more scientific than Filoniwars. Even Sonichu is more scientific if we're going by disneywars logic where bows + melee > guns and most military maneuvers involve marching out in the open with no cover in an empty field and the soldiers are retarded enough to WALK UP TO THE JEDI during order 66 with ranged weapons. :roll:
 
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TMP era is still where its at.

To be fair, It's not hard to be more scientific than Filoniwars. Even Sonichu is more scientific if we're going by disneywars logic where bows + melee > guns and most military maneuvers involve marching out in the open with no cover in an empty field and the soldiers are retarded enough to WALK UP TO THE JEDI during order 66 with ranged weapons. :roll:
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Sorry but these uniforms are the most kino in sci-fi, beat only by the Imperial officers in Star Wars.
 
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