2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

Kane lives in death said:
If you are gonna participate in an endless cycle of violence with your mortal enemy race for a century, you should at least have a win condition.
But hamas doesnt, they dont have the army, the population, the nukes, even the international support, they only have religious fanatism.
This is not about who is right or wrong, this is about the fact that if the cycle continues israel will end up destroying gaza.
I mean they might do it the following days.

edit: Armenia just learned this year the hard way that they cant defeat their longstanding enemy, and are now trying to deescalate for long term peace, it might work it might not, but to keep fighting the enemy is national suicide, which is literally what hamas is doing, both cases are so similar its uncanny tbh.
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It's not really fair to compare Armenia and Hamas, the only thing they really share in common is both being on the back foot. One is definitely in a worse position then the other.

Hamas is basically a insurgent group whose best chance of winning anything for the Palestinians realistically vanished 50-75 years ago which is before they even existed. They can't match the military might of Israel no matter what they do generally. The Israelis will not stop expanding either so what can they do against a foe they are consistently outmatched by in terms of firepower and numbers. Every deal a Muslim country makes to normalize relations with their enemy weakens them. Their efforts from a Realpolitik perspective have a good chance of being ultimately ineffective in the long-term.

Armenia on the other hand is a country backed into a corner due to a lack of viable allies and support in part due to their old conflict mediator being off busy doing other things and also not having the oil to keep countries on side like their rival does. A rival who funnily enough is supported by Israel because of geopolitical reasons.

The Armenians at the very least have the hope of Azerbaijan not going any further after after Nagorno-Karabakh, Hamas by comparison isn't exactly a good group in their conduct and actions but they are forced to respond because Israel will not halt settler programs and has a history of refusing to cease them.
 
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74164978231 said:
Uhh theyve probably killed 20-30 soldiers at a minimum and taken 10-15 as hostages from what ive seen so far in various videos.
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We will probably only get the final count in a couple of weeks. But even those numbers aren't really high compared to prior wars in the region between the IDF and the Palestinians.
 
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if you are living on stolen land, and those that you stole it from still live a few miles away, don't be surprised if they seek retribution.
I'm sad to see the civilians being slaughtered, but this is definitely a "fuck around and find out" moment, albeit one 50 years in the making. Blame their government for encouraging their expansion and their religious leaders for giving them the moral or spiritual justification.

No sympathy for the soldiers, I'm sorry to say, as you're an occupying force complicit in the soft genocide of your enemies, that makes you a legitimate target.
 
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Via its official medias, the Al-Qassam Brigades (Hamas Military wing) published a footage showing the moments when its fighters raided and seized control over the Nahal Oz Kibbutz, a Jewish Settlement located 1 KM East of Gaza Tactical border

On the video, following clashes, it's possible to see the corpses of various IDF soldiers and border guards lying bleeding dead on ground as the fighters advance into the central area of the Kibbutz

Source: https://t.me/qassambrigades/28339


 
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Breadbassket said:
Armenia at the very least has the hope of Azerbaijan not going any further after after Nagorno-Karabakh, Hamas by comparison isn't exactly a good group in their conduct and actions but they are forced to respond because Israel will not halt settler programs and has a history of refusing to cease them.
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i mean to me the difference is that Armenia deescalated the moment it was obvious they woudnt win, hamas has kept stirring shit decades after it was obvious they cant win.
I dont know if its possible to stop jew settlement by diplomacy or by international mediation or by playing the pity party, but what im sure is that to keep throwing rockets for years and what was done today will only make it worse.
Maybe im being too nice to the israelis and shit but again, if you cant win by force dont even bother trying force, even if it feels good to stick it to the jew.
 
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Richard Freeman said:
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ive seen this video before, it does not seem to belong to the recent events. i'll try to find it in its origional context

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ive seen this video before, it does not seem to belong to the recent events. i'll try to find it in its origional context

found it:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-57114168

its from 2021
 
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This will only get the Jews to rally around Netanyahu. Right when they were on a path towards civil war. I don’t like that they’re attacking the whole country.

I’d feel different if they were laser focused on the worst settlements.

Oh well, hope they get a decent score before the inevitable onslaught of airstrikes and child murders.
 
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we got a confirmation on the captured IDF gen
 
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Whistlin Troopie said:
Warning: Graphic Content

Via its official medias, the Al-Qassam Brigades (Hamas Military wing) published a footage showing the moments when its fighters raided and seized control over the Nahal Oz Kibbutz, a Jewish Settlement located 1 KM East of Gaza Tactical border

On the video, following clashes, it's possible to see the corpses of various IDF soldiers and border guards lying bleeding dead on ground as the fighters advance into the central area of the Kibbutz

Source: https://t.me/qassambrigades/28339


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:roll: I wonder how the people in this article are doing. I feel very sorry for them. They should have left.

 
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VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
Considering it was first massively implemented in Armenia/Azerbaijan a few years ago yeah, it's not a gimmick and not exclusively Ukraine focused either.
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I am honestly surprised anyone calls the largest change in (conventional) warfare in decades. This is arguably the only thing everyone agrees on in Ukraine that drones fundamentally changed war.

The IDF knows that too but what are you going to do? Nobody has found a fool proof counter yet.
 
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