2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

Jimjamflimflam said:
When you treat others like disposable meat vessels for your bidding, don't be surprised when it gets turned around on you. Its "not the best moral look" its fucking repugnant to sit on the side lines funding a war you aren't apart of and know nothing about because its in your politicians best interest.

Either suit up and go fight or fuck off.
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If a Ukrainian or Israeli being armed with American weapons means me or my loved ones don't have to get drafted, then I don't really care about moralfagging. It's precisely the reason why I don't have to suit up. I broke with family tradition by not enlisting in 2013 when I came of age. Not interested in doing it now.
 
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inception_state said:
The number of Indians simping for Israel has been crazy, and they are nuts. Here's a guy explaining the benefits of "Juahar", ritual self-immolation for women, with a helpful side by side video comparison. I think the one on the right is some Bollywood movie.
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To be fair, he is not fucking around. During the Partition, entire villages of Sikh and Hindu women would simply kill themselves (or kneel down and allow their male relatives to behead them) once they heard that Muslims were on their way to capture the village. There are some pretty horrible stories out there. There was one village where all the women and children just jumped into a well to drown themselves and the only survivors were the ones who jumped when the well had already filled up with bodies.
 
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SmugAutist said:
Jesus this thread has turned into what Null warned us about. I might as well sperg out as well.
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Gonna be honest with you, me or anyone else in this thread can't effect war decisions and we won't. If USA wants to send our men to war they will.
I am more worried about the propaganda that will be pressed on the people, we didn't learn shit and we are about to go into "war on terror" 2.0
 
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SmugAutist said:
If a Ukrainian or Israeli being armed with American weapons means me or my loved ones don't have to get drafted, then I don't really care about moralfagging. It's precisely the reason why I don't have to suit up. I broke with family tradition by not enlisting in 2013 when I came of age. Not interested in doing it now.
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This might be surprising to hear, but you wouldn't have to suit up to fight if America (supported by people like you) stopped sticking your dick in places where it doesn't believe. Infact, the more you fuck around, the more likely you are to find out.
 
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Jimjamflimflam said:
This might be surprising to hear, but you wouldn't have to suit up to fight if America (supported by people like you) stopped sticking your dick in places where it doesn't believe. Infact, the more you fuck around, the more likely you are to find out.
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All these foreign wars are a heavy burden on the American taxpayer and keep overflowing the Mexican border with more refugees and asylum seekers. It's a big mistake for America to be instigating and sustaining all these conflicts by propping up one side.
 
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Jimjamflimflam said:
This might be surprising to hear, but you wouldn't have to suit up to fight if America (supported by people like you) stopped sticking your dick in places where it doesn't believe. Infact, the more you fuck around, the more likely you are to find out.
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Hey, like that thing we tried in WW1 and WW2 and didn't really work out, hence the reason the US got into its current predicament?

Look, I'm not 100% on board with American foreign policy, and I do think that some retraction is needed, especially in Africa, the ME, and most of Asia, but at the same time we have an alliance network that has greatly benefitted us. Some promises do need to be kept for America's credibility to be maintained. There's no easy solution to things like Israel (a British project that America found itself saddled with after the fall of the Empire, not an American project) or Eastern Europe, or the ME as a whole.
 
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SmugAutist said:
Likewise, there's perfectly strategic reasons for the US wanting Israel to continue to exist as a country. Mainly that the US has precious few allies in the area, and even those in that short list are not exactly reliable (*cough* Pakistan *cough*). Second to that if there's one thing the Muslims hate more than Americans it's the Isrealis. Keeping their eye on Israel rather than in American interests is fairly useful. The last time Jerusalem was under Muslim control was when there was still a Caliphate, and those things are better off gone lest they turn their eye towards other places like Europe or Asia.

If Netanyahu could, he would glass Gaza and turn the West Bank into a massive concentration camp. He doesn't simply because he knows Israel exists at America's behest, not the other way around.
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This argument only really works if you think history started in 2005 or something.

First, the idea that Muslim countries hate America and the US needs Israel to act as a bigger lightning rod of hate is wrong. Going back to the 1950s, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Libya all had friendly relations with the US. Nasser's Egypt began to hate the US and go toward the Soviet sphere because of post-JFK America unilaterally siding with Israel in Arab-Israeli conflicts. Saddam's Iraq used to be allies with the US until Israel realized that heavily armed post Iran-Iraq War Saddam might be a threat to them and needed to be taken out. Gaddafi was in the process of normalizing relations with the US after 2003 before the US up and decided to kill him because of his support for Palestinians. Syria was trying to normalize relations with the US after the Lebanese Civil War until the US implemented Operation Timber Sycamore for the sake of Israel's land annexation aspirations. Notice a pattern? The US wouldn't need Israel as an ally to go against these Arab countries if the US didn't become enemies with these countries for Israel's sake in the first place.

Second, the idea that the US has few allies in the middle east and needs Israel's support doesn't square away. The US is allies with the governments of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Oman, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, and Turkey. The US controls the government they installed in Iraq and the Hadi government in Yemen. The only state actors the US is enemies with are Syria and Iran. In terms of usefulness, most of these allies provide oil and natural gas, some provide access to strategic waterways, and some provide military assistance when the US performs operations in the region. Israel's only real possible contribution is military, but Israel has never joined a US military coalition in the region. Instead, the US fights wars for Israel's benefit without Israeli assistance.

Third, Israel is a huge liability. On top of the fact that Israel jeopardizes US relations with other countries in the region, Israel also compromises the US's national security as well. For example, as shown here, here, and here, Israel has repeatedly sold US military secrets to the Chinese, and is arguably the reason the Chinese military has been able to make such leaps and bounds over the past few decades, and is now the US's premiere rival. Great ally to have, right? Throw in incidents like Operation Susannah, the USS Liberty, and suspicious Israeli activity surrounding 9/11, it could easily be argued that Israel actively threatens the US's safety for the sake of furthering Israel's own agenda.

TL;DR: The US-Israel relationship is completely one-sided to the point of being parasitic.
 
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SmugAutist said:
Hey, like that thing we tried in WW1 and WW2 and didn't really work out, hence the reason the US got into its current predicament?
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Not a scholar, but pretty sure its the "muh alliance network" that got us involved in those conflicts. If you keep this up, don't be suprised when you get 9/11'ed again and again. Infact it seems like the constantly happening theme is our politicians get us involved in this garbage, they make mad bank off it and reap the spoils of wars, the rest of us get fucked.

The average citizen gets nothing but a silver star and a casket filled with their loved one for helping.
 
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First attacks against the Zionist entity from Lebanon this morning. Against a Zionist radar installation for detecting missile launches.

(probably) not Hezbollah (yet)
 
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