2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

Victory Leo said:
Pretty shocked at just how blatantly incompetent the IDF has been during this whole thing. I know its run by complete retards, I saw that first hand during my mandatory service, but how the fuck do you just let people walk up through the border and start shooting people in Sderot?
anyway I'm thankfully not going to see much of this besides the usual missile barrages, both of my brothers got called to come in as reserve forces but I doubt they'll see much action.
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Its genuinely baffling.

The sound of the explosions blowing open the fence should have been enough to put the sentries on alert and radio their bases that something is up.
Then they destroy two tanks in quick succession and apparently still nothing as 50+ hamas fighters where able to basically walk up to the base without any resistance
Even after explosions and fighting broke out on the base you had quite a few IDF killed/captured with no kit on at all

Only thing I can think as someone with military experience is their posture is radically different than that of a US combat outpost.
 
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Otterly said:
Only got to about page forty…
1. Why now? Specific trigger point?
2. Chances of similar activations/events in Europe?
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1. You’re expecting rationality from men who really want to die in combat so Allah will give them a bunch of virgins in the afterlife. Iran probably planned this but more than likely to fuck things up regionally and not expect it to go this well for Hamas. Israel can take their gloves off now and no one will really care.
2. Some of our “new Europeans” will get a little excited so expect a bunch of attacks in Jewish neighbourhoods to not get mentioned in the news, and if they do not to have a description of the attack and retards to blame white nationalism. Security services will be working overtime in case any remnant of ISIS want to use this for Jihad 2.0.
 
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Otterly said:
Only got to about page forty…
1. Why now? Specific trigger point?
2. Chances of similar activations/events in Europe?
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this could very well be the last stand for muslims to retake and claim gaza and such
this is only gonna ramp shit up based on the optics and how its framed on both sides.
 
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LMlurker said:
I don't think it would work. There are 2 million people living in Gaza and 9 million in Israel. You can't displace or genocide a nation 1/5 the size of yours. The problem is really intractable; probably the jews are hoping to outbreed the Palestinians and wear them down by attrition. There's no military solution for the Jews unless a foreign power was down to sponsor a genocide.
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Couldn't they just flatten all the infrastructure (especially hospitals, fields and water treatment) ramp up the blockade, and wait for famine and disease to do the job?
 
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74164978231 said:
Its genuinely baffling.

The sound of the explosions blowing open the fence should have been enough to put the sentries on alert and radio their bases that something is up.
Then they destroy two tanks in quick succession and apparently still nothing as 50+ hamas fighters where able to basically walk up to the base without any resistance
Even after explosions and fighting broke out on the base you had quite a few IDF killed/captured with no kit on at all

Only thing I can think as someone with military experience is their posture is radically different than that of a US combat outpost.
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Shhhh don't think to hard on it. One of the most powerful spy agencies in the world totally had no idea of this attack being planned for months on end and was caught totally with their pants down on the 50th anniversary of a major event. Totally happens.
Flamin Park said:
Couldn't they just flatten all the infrastructure (especially hospitals, fields and water treatment) ramp up the blockade, and wait for famine and disease to do the job?
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I believe that is their intent. Israel is going forward with a flat plan for gaza.
Where they flatten everything to ground level in gaza.
 
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AgendaPoster said:
Not really support, but I wouldn't shed any tears.
Europe is where Europeans belong. And Europeans need to learn to acknowledge their identity and band together. Might take some sort of disaster event for people living in highly multicultural, safe countries to wake up.
Don't blame me, fix your stuff so it doesn't happen.
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I get what you're saying but if for example, I was born on this land, my Father was born on this land, his Father was born on this land, going back a couple hundred years, theoretical me has just as good a claim to it as the savages that used to live on it hundreds of years ago and were too weak to hold onto it.
The Lakota and whatever other tribe weren't these peaceful Earth Children living in harmony with nature, the Native tribes were butchering, and in some cases eating, each other, with one tribe trading places with another, for millenia before Europeans arrived, and after each successive tribe had lived on the land for a couple of generations they claimed and believed it was their ancestral homeland, and they all had just as good a claim as each other.
Ultimately this shit is and always has been decided by force.
Who is strong enough to hold onto it.
If you think everyone should go back to their ancient ancestral homeland, how far back do you want to go with the lunacy?
Should all the various offshoots of the ancient Indo-Aryan migrations all move back to the shores of the Caspian?
The foothills of the Himalayas?
It's a debate that followed to its logical conclusion ends up ridiculous, and probably outside the scope of this thread
That's the worst thing about this situation. Both sides are in the right and both sides are wrong.
If someone is born somewhere that's what they consider home. It's doesn't matter to them what the Balfour Declaration says or what Hadrian did two thousand years ago.
Both these groups believe this is their homeland, and they're both right, and neither is willing to compromise to the extent the other side wants.
That's why this situation is unfixable by outside mediators.
It won't stop till one side wipes the other one out.
 
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74164978231 said:
Its genuinely baffling.

The sound of the explosions blowing open the fence should have been enough to put the sentries on alert and radio their bases that something is up.
Then they destroy two tanks in quick succession and apparently still nothing as 50+ hamas fighters where able to basically walk up to the base without any resistance
Even after explosions and fighting broke out on the base you had quite a few IDF killed/captured with no kit on at all

Only thing I can think as someone with military experience is their posture is radically different than that of a US combat outpost.
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My only guess is a good majority was off duty at home since it was both a Saturday and Sukot, usually during holidays they only keep the bare minimum troops in most bases. but still the response even after that has been so slow and weak.
 
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lolcow yoghurt said:
Turkish government has supported Israel for a long time. Unlikely.
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Turkey for nearly a decade has poor relations with Israel. Mind though that Turkey does not have a stable foreign policy and acts extremely opportunistic. However, all this fits with Erdogan's Islamicist and Ottomanist rhetoric, which show his desire to restore Turkey as the leader of the Islamic world. Also, do not forget the issue regarding the oil of Cyprus and the desire of Turkey to partake in its extraction through Northern Cyprus.
Victory Leo said:
My only guess is a good majority was off duty at home since it was both a Saturday and Sukot, usually during holidays they only keep the bare minimum troops in most bases. but still the response even after that has been so slow and weak.
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17 years of peace can ruin a military which relies in the initiative of lower officers. Simply they grew soft and responded to Islamic shenanigans by just bombing them.
 
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TrainWreckWatcher said:
Shhhh don't think to hard on it. One of the most powerful spy agencies in the world totally had no idea of this attack being planned for months on end and was caught totally with their pants down on the 50th anniversary of a major event. Totally happens.
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This isnt even about the failure of intelligence. Its how where so many caught with their pants down no pun intended. Numerous dead soldiers in just their underwear.

I cant comprehend that considering I slept 3 feet away from my body armor and rifle. What the hell where they doing as soon as it became painfully obvious hamas was inside the wire?
 
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Why the fuck is that absolute whore became the poster child of victims when there are footage of children being kidnapped?

Adolphin said:
Turkey for nearly a decade has poor relations with Israel. Mind though that Turkey does not have a stable foreign policy and acts extremely opportunistic. However, all this fits with Erdogan's Islamicist and Ottomanist rhetoric, which show his desire to restore Turkey as the leader of the Islamic world. Also, do not forget the issue regarding the oil of Cyprus and the desire of Turkey to partake in its extraction through Northern Cyprus.

17 years of peace can ruin a military which relies in the initiative of lower officers. Simply they grew soft and responded to Islamic shenanigans by just bombing them.
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Sadly, unlike its brother Azerbaijan, Turkey likes to worship Arabs. They will definitely condemn the attacks on Gaza soon despite staying silent all this time.
 
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Adolphin said:
17 years of peace can ruin a military which relies in the initiative of lower officers. Simply they grew soft and responded to Islamic shenanigans by just bombing them.
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17 years is really pushing it, we have a micro war like every 3 years, this one's just been more extreme.
but yeah we do just solve most of our problems with bombings. maybe we should just bomb tel aviv ourselves before hamas can, that'll show em.
 
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