2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

Shroom King said:
Can the below be confirmed by Americans that they have family missing in Israel? This just looks like a typical "just trust me, bro" in order to get American boots on the ground.

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Wouldn't be surprised, to be honest. So far I've seen official comments from France and UK regarding citizens who are being held hostage.
I wonder how the affected countries will interfere in the conflict.

TheClappening said:
The relatives that were visiting Israel had their flight out of Ben Gurion/TLV airport canceled. Said that they're trying to get out to Jordan, then back to the US.
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Hope they manage to get out safe and asap.
 
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Shroom King said:
Can the below be confirmed by Americans that they have family missing in Israel? This just looks like a typical "just trust me, bro" in order to get American boots on the ground.

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Its important to remember in this context that most Israeli's are dual nationals. Take any claims of "X Countries citizens" were involved in the fighting with copious amounts of salt.
 
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Shroom King said:
Can the below be confirmed by Americans that they have family missing in Israel? This just looks like a typical "just trust me, bro" in order to get American boots on the ground.

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A lot of Israelis have dual citizenship with somewhere else. Israel wants to grab eyes and sympathy from a world that mostly doesn't care what happens outside of their own kind, so they neglect to mention the Israeli citizen part. They've done it before, same as everyone else.

Edit: @mindlessobserver types faster.
 
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Shroom King said:
Can the below be confirmed by Americans that they have family missing in Israel? This just looks like a typical "just trust me, bro" in order to get American boots on the ground.

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Lots of Israeli Americans near the border region, there's an Anglo community there I think. Regarding recovery of the hostages, I'm wondering how Israel will recover them. Might have to impose a new Hannibal directive but with civilian israelis.
 
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TheClappening said:
The relatives that were visiting Israel had their flight out of Ben Gurion/TLV airport canceled. Said that they're trying to get out to Jordan, then back to the US.
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Lmao good luck going to Jordan. Lot of Palestinians moved to Jordan after being forcibly removed from their homeland.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I have to disagree. As others pointed out earlier, America and the EU are the reason why Israel doesn't commit war crimes even though Israel knows Hamas are an existential threat to them. At its core, the two-state solution just isn't a solution. Palestine has no interest in building an economy despite the natural advantage of bordering on the Mediterranean, so these attacks just keep happening. Taking the Gaza Strip over is the only permanent solution to their security problems.
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I'm sorry but I'm kinda retarded so I have to ask, what is it you're disagreeing about?

I mostly feel like it's notable that a bunch of people are treating a bunch of kidnappings and rapes as only natural because they view Israelis as the oppressors or evil Jews. It seems like there's just an issue of a ton of people being too obnoxious to step back a moment and say "hey maybe this woman being raped makes the rapists the bad guys here".

People are often too obstinate to put away their personal politics and look at the situation like a sane person so I figure not much will really change in the grand scheme of things about the general perception of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
 
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EyeGuy said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is good in the long run for Israel. I'm not going to pretend that this is isn't a humiliation, but considering that we were taken by surprise, it could have been much worse. 200 killed + hostages taken is a severe blow, but nothing compared to the obvious parallel, the Yom Kippur war. This will force the government and defense establishment to reevaluate the complacent policies that led to this situation, and they will obviously be applying lessons learned to other fronts, most importantly the border with Lebanon.

Contrary to some of the wilder sperging in the thread, Iron Dome is operating as normal (no system ever has a 100% success rate), Bibi has not been taken to the hospital, and most importantly the population of Israel is now unified - we've been shocked into remembering who our real enemies are, and what they are capable of. We will almost certainly get a unity government for the duration of the conflict, and maybe even longer.

There are only two things I'm personally concerned about: a) the government cucking out due to the hostages taken into Gaza and b) third party involvement. I think that the first is unlikely, and while the second is obviously Hamas's goal in the larger conflict, the IDF is now on full wartime footing. Hezbollah has to know that it will be annihilated if it tries to go on the offensive now.

EDIT: The Israeli defense minister has stated that Israel intends to topple the Hamas government in the strip. The only way this is is happening is a full scale ground invasion and re-occupation. I would not be surprised to see if voices on the right call for reestablishment of some of the settlements dismantled in 2005, and while I don't think that will happen, the chance is not entirely negligible.
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What are the chances of getting sane gun law reforms? Because as they are now, it's not even a matter of basic rights but real world threat/danger.
 
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The family of a Gazan "journalist" by the name of Nagal Aluhidi is claiming he was captured by Israel (no word on what sort of "reporting" this resulted from):
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King George III said:
Oh shit, oh fuck, oh shit, oh fuck, oh shit, oh fuck.
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I’m concerned more Palestinians will try flooding into the west because of this war. I wonder if we’re going to get more involved. I doubt it though and I’d rather not put boots on the ground.
TheClappening said:
The relatives that were visiting Israel had their flight out of Ben Gurion/TLV airport canceled. Said that they're trying to get out to Jordan, then back to the US.
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There’s no way that some American citizens weren’t killed or captured by the Palestinians. And I’m not just referring to dual citizens but various tourists.
IKOL said:
It's time for Yankees to have another good spanking from sandniggers. Oy vey, halal!
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I’d only support getting involved if it involves sinking boats, carpet bombing, and/or the use of chemical weapons. I don’t want to occupy anything in the Middle East. The current admin is too soft and weak though.
 
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