2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

Sir Baz the Intolerant said:
There's a few reasons why most of the Arab world gave up on trying to destroy Israel, and the full blown niggerish behaviour of the Palestinians was a definite factor. While I'm not an expert, I am very familiar with the history of the region and this conflict in particular, and since this shit started in 1947 the Palestinians have treated their Arab allies with nothing short of open contempt and hostility.

Just one example is Jordan, which opened it's borders to millions of Palestianian refugees after the first Arab-Israeli War, it housed them, fed them, employed them, and they thanked their literal saviours by;
  • Using their citizens as meat-shields against IDF retaliations to PLO raids
  • Assassinating King Abdullah I in 1951
  • Attempting to seize control over the entire country during the Black September coup in 1970/71.
And that was just in one country, which after they found themselves expelled from they immediately went and started shit to various degrees in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, and Tunisia. Basically, if you ever took in Palestinians at any point and you didn't do exactly what they wanted you to do regarding Israel 100% of the time, they'd chimp the fuck out and start killing people in the street. Jews might be No.1 on every Arabs 'to genocide' list, but you can bet Palestinians are right behind them at No.2.
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Palestinians sound an awful lot like Ukrainians.
 
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Revuelto said:
Seeing Jews and Arabs fight is funny because both sides are utter shit in warfare.
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Arabs and Jews are good at guerilla and counter terrorism. It's just the back and forth nature forces both sides into a back and fourth fighting and escalation tactic.
The only reason we don't hear about them being good fighters is because we live in a modern age and no country in the middle east can sustain a proper modern army minus 3 nations Turkieye, Iran, and Egypt. The first two are power players in the middle east the latter is in decline.
 
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Current (very much debatable due to sheer chaos on the ground) map of territorial control.
 

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I have only one thing to say in reaction to all of this.

I think there is a resurgence of anti-palestinianism because at this point in time Isreal has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think Hamas is going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Israel is not going to be the monolithic society they once were in the last 70 years. Hamas is going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Israel to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Hamas will be resented because of their leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Israel will not survive.
 
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cybertoaster said:
Are you retarded? drinking lead paint? I was saying that's what real rape looks like, that woman is broken and traumatized, or what you think that time you got drunk and fucked some guy at the bar even compares to what that woman just went thru?

Fucking femcels...
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Dude you made a rape by a pack of sand nogs into a gotya. Actually disgusting. Seek help.
Peaches the Wonder Cat said:
I wonder what the trannies are up to, pt 2


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This right here just shows the leftist in their natural habitat. They relish needless violence by people barely out of the stone age. They sound like /pol/, just different flags.
 
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Vaclav said:
I see another connection here with the Ukraine war. In Ukraine the combatants, particularly Ukrainians, have been celebrating the horrors of war, posting around lots of pics of mangled enemy troops on forums and in groups like NAFO. Now Hamas is doing the same and we'll see if Israeli forces can hold back from doing it (they've already released that corpse pissing video).

Part of it could be because the Internet is eroding the boundaries between external and internal messaging - in the old days, soldiers might swap photos of mangled enemies with their buddies who had been fighting the same people. Recall the photo ops with corpses from Full Metal Jacket. But now the private is more public than ever. And it's been pointed out many times how social media contributes to black-and-white thinking and a lack of empathy.

It seems like very much a new thing. I can't think of any conflicts before these recent ones where there was high-profile celebration of the most gruesome aspects of war. Most governments fighting wars, even the most brutal ones,normally try to downplay that and say they're acting for the greater good. Even the Taliban had an on-point PR initiative when they took over Afghanistan. It makes me wonder if we're seeing a general moral collapse across many different societies.
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One of the things about modernity is since there is no privacy now were going to see what it's like to see humanity at its ugliest. Is it really one group is just that bad or is it just one bad day you can never tell sometimes with cameras are able to catch the best and worst of everyone.

People in the middle ages were so used to seeing death and destruction from disease, war and poverty that people had a very vulgar and grim Outlook on life. We go through periods of disgust responses to either nature or modernity throughout history even in the history of England there's history of the English going back and forth between cities and countryside depending on the era.
Catch The Rainbow said:
The 2023 IDF is nowhere close to the prime 67 IDF that was prepared.


Hamas and Hezbollah stated that Iran helped them do this
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I mean never underestimate an Arab generals ability to fuck up a war. In 1973 Egypt had nearly every single advantage they almost defeated the western Israeli defense forces in the Sinai. Egypt went on a fuck you rampage onto Egyptian forces in the later half of the yom Kippur war and started going into Egypt only stopping because they started getting bogged down in urban combat.
Peaches the Wonder Cat said:
I wonder what the trannies are up to, pt 2


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Again the mentally ill are sadly out in force on Twitter but then again your average troon is a Midwit at best.
 
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Ashkenazi Porn Actress said:
but because they've been primed by decades of anticolonialist and antinationalist rhetoric
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Absolutely, I have seen many lefty retards I still have added so I can see what they post politically. It’s literally this exact talking point, they are all pro tranny and yet somehow anti zionist. All because of colonialism and occupied territory buzzwords. I mean it’s true, but it’s not like they know that.
 
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TheGoyimKnow said:
listen, I was in the IDF and I can solidly tell you that none of those people were shot with a "butterfly bullet" they were shot with a 50 Cal(more like a 0.336 bullet) Bullet from an HTR-2000 also known as Barak, how do I know? A sniper that did rookie training with me literally shot at 44 knees with those, a butterfly bullet "explodes" the impact from a 50 cal just vaporizes the leg basically
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Even if they did use expanding bullets it's only against international law to use in war. Typically when one conventional army fights another conventional army. As long as you label your use of them as a "police action" and that the targets were "protestors" then it's not breaking any rules. Police forces all over the world use hollow points and other expanding bullets. Is it cruel to shoot protestors with expanding bullets? Yes. Is it a war crime? No. A lot of things that most people would consider war are labeled as police action or civil unrest for the purpose of using weapons banned in armed conflict
 
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Jhonny Jhon said:
I have only one thing to say in reaction to all of this.

I think there is a resurgence of anti-palestinianism because at this point in time Isreal has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think Hamas is going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Israel is not going to be the monolithic society they once were in the last 70 years. Hamas is going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Israel to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Hamas will be resented because of their leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Israel will not survive.
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I agree. Whether there be one state or a two state, no one would be happy. Both the Palestinians and Israelis would have to find away to peace or else this will continue indefinitely until one side is completely annihilated.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
You have to understand that Islamic groups like Hamas don't think in terms of greco-roman logic. They think in term of Islamic dialectic. The Muslims actually held a very big "synod" for want of a better term, on whether the Greek concept of Reason (like Aristotle etc) should be applied to the Koran and Sharia Law. The Christians and the Jews both accepted the ideas in their religious projects, but the Muslims decided that no, there was no place for reason and logic. The Koran is divinely revealed perfection and there is only one way to interpret it. The way God says so.

This entire cosmology of thought trickles down to EVERYTHING Muslim countries and organizations do. It is a weird combination of fatalism and nihilism in which nothing happens without Gods permission and will, and if it is Gods Will that every person in Gaza get killed by Israel then that is what will happen. Counter point however, God also demands that the Infidel be driven from his holy places, and thus every effort must be applied to this purpose, and failing to do so will also be against gods will. Caught in the paradox, Hamas must do as they must. Attack Israel without mercy, and Trust in God.
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Agree, and also to add a bit. The Koran is fundamentally different from the Old and New Testaments in that the former was written by people that already found themselves in power and therefore had specific ways to run a state, including matters of economy, society, and justice. At best, the Bible gives some moral lessons but most cases are wholly subject to interpretation.
 
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