Sony hate thread

In Japan, the PS5 is getting another price INCREASE with those new models:
  • PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-ray disc drive – 66,980 JPY (includes tax)
  • PS5 Digital Edition – 59,980 JPY (includes tax)

For comparison, the previous price hike of last year was like this:
  • PS5 – ¥60,478 yen (was ¥54,978 )
  • PS5 Digital – ¥49,478 yen (was ¥43,978 )
And to add:


It's like Playstation wants to be even less relevant in the Japanese market.
That's about what I'd expect tbh. The yen is down almost 15% vs USD just since January of this year. Prices for pretty much everything are fucked in Japan right now.

And I don't think Sony has seen Japan as a primary market for more than a decade at this point. Remember that the PS4 actually launched in Japan four months after it did in the US (Nov 2013 vs Feb 2014). And it's pretty obvious why when you look at data on Japanese consumer spending:
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Japanese consumption hit its peak in 2010 and still hasn't recovered. The fact that per capita consumption spending has remained steady means that we're actively seeing Japanese population decline erode Japan's status as a primary market for consumer goods. Even for Japanese-made consumer goods, Japan alone is not enough.
 

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I'm going to be honest; I'm quite baffled in Nintendo's interest in the franchise. The only thing I can think of is that Nintendo supported the second game because they were desperate for titles for the Wii U, and they figured a surprise announcement of a Bayo game would get to buy consoles.

There's your answer.

They wanted to bring in the hardcore crowd after the disasters like Wii Music.
 
Well, they can't be excited for the new games.
From their PR statement

"We are ten days away from the launch of Marvel’s Spider-Man 2, with additional games including Alan Wake 2 and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 launching shortly after. With these fantastic games coming, in addition to recent releases such as EA Sports FC 24, Assassin’s Creed: Mirage, and Baldur’s Gate 3, there’s plenty for gamers to play on PS5 this holiday season."

They can literally list only one exclusive out of games to play
 
Prices of the PS5 peripherals were also increased in Japan only (for now):
There was no mention of price increases on the PlayStation Blog in Europe or the US, but we’ve asked Sony for confirmation.
  • DualSense wireless controller (White and Midnight Black): 9,480 yen tax included (currently 7,678 yen tax included)
  • DualSense Wireless Controller (Cosmic Red, Nova Pink, Galactic Purple, Starlight Blue and Gray Camouflage): 9,980 yen tax included (currently 8,228 yen tax included)
  • Pusle 3D wireless headset: 12,980 yen tax included (currently 10,978 yen tax included)
  • HD camera: 7,980 yen tax included (currently 6,578 yen tax included)
  • Media remote control: 3,980 yen tax included (currently 3,278 yen tax included)

That's about what I'd expect tbh. The yen is down almost 15% vs USD just since January of this year. Prices for pretty much everything are fucked in Japan right now.

And I don't think Sony has seen Japan as a primary market for more than a decade at this point. Remember that the PS4 actually launched in Japan four months after it did in the US (Nov 2013 vs Feb 2014). And it's pretty obvious why when you look at data on Japanese consumer spending:

Japanese consumption hit its peak in 2010 and still hasn't recovered. The fact that per capita consumption spending has remained steady means that we're actively seeing Japanese population decline erode Japan's status as a primary market for consumer goods. Even for Japanese-made consumer goods, Japan alone is not enough.
I preferably refer to Famitsu (and Media Create) archived data in order to obtain a more detailed idea on how the Japanese vidya console market looks like over the years, even if it's limited to retail sales (which still make up the majority of game sales there nonetheless):
Said data proves that the size of the Japanese market is still strikingly large for a single country, it's just solely the fault of AAA japanese publishers & SIE for neglecting the home market to such degree. Meanwhile Nintendo and a burgeoning PC market (once again proved during the TGS 2023) are currently reaping the benefits of such mistakes.
Even the fresh new talents for the next generation of japanese developers prefer to work on their games for the Nintendo Switch and PC/Steam as it's been demonstrated by the CEO of CyberConnect2 earlier this year (and people in the comments mocked him because he believed the japanese game industry was doomed for good that way).

Also it doesn't matter if SIE doesn't see Japan as an important market, no matter how stupid and self-destructive of a business behavior it actually is.
Playstation is heavily dependent on third-parties as the brand built a large part of its success thanks to them, which includes the japanese third-parties too.

But Sony has done virtually nothing to help these publishers out in recent years, because aside from making money, the second most important job for a platform holder is to make that platform accessible and successful for other game softwares. Playstation especially went from having a near de-facto monopoly on Japanese third-party content, have it most of it stolen by Nintendo, and now reduced at simply sharing a market of AAA Japanese third-parties with Steam and Xbox. Thus tremendously melting off Playstation's identity as a result. And it may be only a matter of time before Nintendo releases its next hardware soon enough, and get the support of said japanese AAA titles, if the rumors are proven to be true.

Remember a few years ago where you could see people saying in full confidence that Playstation had Persona 5, EDF, Ys, Nier, Vanillaware, etc. on lockdown and they would never be released on a Nintendo hardware? Good times.

I somehow expected a redesign. Not to double down on the ugly.
I argue to say there is nothing "slim" about these new PS5 models unlike, let's say, the PS2 iterations:
PS2 Fat vs PS2 Slim.jpg
Now THAT is slim, by trimming away all the plastic fat and be more compact.
 
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I argue to say there is nothing "slim" about these new PS5 models unlike, let's say, the PS2 iterations:
PS2 Fat vs PS2 Slim.jpg
Now THAT is slim, by trimming away all the plastic fat and be more compact.
The slim PS2 is my favorite looking console, it is literally the size of two DVD cases stacked on top of one another. There's almost no slack above the memory card slot and below the controller port.

Like I'll shit on Sony and the PS2 itself all day, but I cannot deny that the PS2 Slim is a masterpiece.
 
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Vertical stand sold separately and it costs just as much. I wonder if its still using that liquid metal for cooling that drips out when its sat vertically and thats why the stand isn't included.
To be fair, at least Sony made it modular with the Blu-Ray drive being a drop-in upgrade, meanwhile Microsoft is planning on doing a mid-gen XSX refresh that's digital only.

Then again both MS and Sony have so many issues they're equally fucked in their own ways. Soon the saving grace of console hardware being cheaper than PC hardware might evaporate too, by which the PC's will be the best option and Gabe Newell will become the sole God Emperor of gaming.
I argue to say there is nothing "slim" about these new PS5 models unlike, let's say, the PS2 iterations:
To be fair, between 2000 and 2004 processors were still getting better at a neck breaking pace, so packing a PS2 worth of power in an enclosure of that size was still fairly easy.

PS5 got released in 2020, and between 2020 and 2023 tech was in heavy stagnation, while also being pushed so hard that it's harder and harder to keep everything cool and quiet in smaller enclosures.

So really, I don't expect Sony engineers coming up with anything better given how modern and powerful PS5 is. PS2 Slim was a product of it's time. And the marketing department called it "Slim" because all the smaller revisions of their consoles were called that.
 
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The PS2 Slim was one of the best "slim" version consoles at there. Not only was it super light you would have no trouble taking it over to your bros house to play Guitar Hero or Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 all night while downing Dews and Pizza, but since it was a top loader it made using swap disc for playing foreign games or burned copies of games so much easier then the regular version.

On to the topic of the new "slim", it looks pretty lame, but it doesn't help that I never liked the original PS5 design anyway. So just that, kinda thinner and not much cheaper isn't really making me want to run out and re-buy a PS5, Snoy sisters.
 
You're better off following a mini ITX build guide than expecting a modern console maker to do anything "slim"
Of you're going to do that you should check out the Asus NUCs or Gigabyte Brix builds, as they have the best Intel has to offer. Not sure off the top of my head who's doing AMD APUs for their micro PCs, but they should be comparable to a mITX build in price while being smaller.
 
The slim PS2 is my favorite looking console, it is literally the size of two DVD cases stacked on top of one another. There's almost no slack above the memory card slot and below the controller port.

Like I'll shit on Sony and the PS2 itself all day, but I cannot deny that the PS2 Slim is a masterpiece.
Sony did a great job with the PS2 slim thanks to the removal of the 3.5in expansion bay on the fat version. It's literally a void of space that adds an extra 4in to the bottom. It also helps the AC adapter is external on the PS2 slim where it's integrated in the fat.

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Of you're going to do that you should check out the Asus NUCs or Gigabyte Brix builds, as they have the best Intel has to offer. Not sure off the top of my head who's doing AMD APUs for their micro PCs, but they should be comparable to a mITX build in price while being smaller.
Minisforum is the one I know off the top of my head that does the micro PC stuff with AMD APUs and is also not absolute garbage.

I disagree, the Xbox Series X can do the same thing and more.
Series X is dropping the disc drive starting in 2024. From what I understand, Microsoft is beginning their official deprecation of physical media on Xbox. Every time I've gone to a store that sells videogames in the past few years, the Xbox's retail space has been getting smaller and smaller so I think the relationship between MS and the brick-and-mortar retailers is not very good.

Sony did a great job with the PS2 slim thanks to the removal of the 3.5in expansion bay on the fat version. It's literally a void of space that adds an extra 4in to the bottom. It also helps the AC adapter is external on the PS2 slim where it's integrated in the fat.

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I'm going to go maximum contrarian and say that the version with a hard drive bay was the GOAT simply because you could easily mod it and toss a chonky drive in there to play the 100s of PS2 ISOs you got off usenet back in the day.
 
Series X is dropping the disc drive starting in 2024. From what I understand, Microsoft is beginning their official deprecation of physical media on Xbox. Every time I've gone to a store that sells videogames in the past few years, the Xbox's retail space has been getting smaller and smaller so I think the relationship between MS and the brick-and-mortar retailers is not very good.
I'm seeing Xbox Series Xs on sale with Amazon Prime. I'm tempted, but it's still a few hundred dollars of an expense.
 
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