I listened to the whole thing, which is almost four hours long. At first I was thinking about putting my main thoughts on it in the Hasan thread since he's the more contentious and high-profile person, but on second thought (not to mean Second Thought), I'll just put it here since this podcast technically belongs to Ethan.
In summary, to those who don't like Hasan, there are some interesting things to draw from this podcast about him, ranging from his total lack of empathy towards dead and terrorized Israelis to his struggling defense for blatant supporters of Hamas terrorism. There certainly will be such clips made from this to be disseminated and discussed. For those who wanted to see a big fight and dramatic schism between Ethan and Hasan, however, they will be disappointed. Right at the start, Ethan warns excited viewers to set their expectations low, and though there are a some moments of tension, by the end it's clear that Hasan was always going to come out as the winner in the Hasanverse because Ethan, obviously cowed by his commie audience and peers, made it his goal to acquiesce and forgive Hasan at every moment while Hasan gave nothing in return. This is exemplified the most when the podcast closes with
Ethan apologizing to fr0gan even though he's totally in the right to be disgusted with her.
The first two hours are a big blur of general discussion between Ethan and Hasan. It's difficult to parse out point by point, but the whole thing can be condensed to this description: Ethan, a quintessential bleeding-heart liberal, expresses great dismay over death and terror on both sides of the conflict and begs over and over for Hasan to show empathy towards the Israeli side without caveat, but Hasan won't have any of it and sticks to his script saying that Palestinians are always good victims and Israelis are always bad oppressors (and Americans are bad too). Any fault of Palestinians (e.g., Hamas' weekend murder rampage) is actually the fault of genocidal Israelis who made them that way. Hasan uses a "nice voice" in comparison to his usually tone when streaming on his own, but it's still the same rhetoric.
During this block, both Ethan and Hasan have their own moment in which they cry openly, Ethan's being early and Hasan's being later. Some call it performative, but I do not doubt both of their sincerity and passion that would bring them to tears. What I find most interesting to mention out of this is what they cry about. Ethan cries about seeing new video of a Gazan holding a dead baby amidst rubble, showing the empathy he feels towards the Palestinians that are "other" to him. Hasan cries about the "assassination" and funeral of American-Palestinian Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Aqleh last year (and there's more to the story than he lets on), showing the empathy he feels towards... the Palestinians he has always felt allegiance towards. It's a demonstrated of just how one-sided Hasan is.
After the two hour mark, discussion is framed around a series of media clips and commentary from outside of the conflict. Here's where you'll find more sheer entertainment value as Hasan struggles and ties himself into knots to defend figures who nakedly support Hamas terrorism,
including Hasan's own friend Second Thought. Hasan's main argument is that such figures have no influence and are too small to matter, and bringing attention to them is only giving ammo to the big bad Rightwingers. What was most spicy was when Ethan presented last a stream clip of Hasan himself claiming that Israel has a "well documented" system of raping Palestinian prisoners. Ethan took it upon himself to research and found there to be nothing but
an empty, anonymous accusation by CAIR. Flustered, Hasan responds not by admitting that he was spouting bullshit, but by promising that he'll come back to Ethan later with more information. (He won't.) Throughout all of this, however, I did not find Ethan to be as pressing and skeptical towards Hasan as he was during the China talk. Instead he constantly allows with a shrug for Hasan to weasel out of scrutiny, and Ethan even makes sure to always add the disclaimer that all of the disturbing shit he's talked about seeing from Leftists over the past week does not include Hasan himself. The podcast then closes with Ethan solidifying his cuck status by apologizing to fr0gan, saying that her expressed feelings were warranted and that his reaction to her was out of line.
So yeah, so much for Ethan having a turn to the light. He'd rather just curl up in silence and hope that the leopards he surrounded himself with don't eat his face anymore.
Maybe I'll figure out how to do video clips so I can highlight a few parts I found to be particularly amusing and don't believe will be covered by others.
