2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

draggs said:
It is your fucking God-given RIGHT and OBLIGATION as a fucking white middle class American male to give your opinion on everything so the coloreds of all varieties know what the correct opinion on any matter is
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Dear goatfuckers, if you are reading this you have survived "Operation Fuck around and find out", good for you! We are gearing up for our next project, "Operation Fuck around and find out 2-Electric Boogaloo", which is all about blowing up infrastructure suspected of being Hamas tactical targets, if you are not ready to meet those 72 virgins please kindly head south.





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TheGuntinator said:
Is it plausible that had we left them alone long enough like the Christians had to sort their own faith out, they may have dedicated that kind of radicalism into a moderate islam reform? But instead due to outside pressure by larger forces that kind of radicalism was pushed outwards and embraced as a way to insulate the faith from changing while turning what would've been its revolutionaries into warriors to protect the nation from outside influence?

Could also be the people of Africa were a terrible bed for organized religion, which prevented Islam from spreading as far south as Christianity did north. Which meant that Islam ended up more concentrated and forming breakaway sects was harder to do with less territory?

I will always wonder where Islam could have faced a great reform, because it seems like that chance has long passed.
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I don't think there was much of a possibility of the rise of Jihadism not happening, even without Western interference. People usually fail to realise that the US just bank rolled what happened, the actual factors that contributed to the rise of extremism were primarily:

  1. The failure of secular governments to stabalise the Middle East after the Ottomans, then later British and French, left the region. Nation states were an entirely new concept to the Mid East before then, and the rampant corruption and economic/military failures of the monarchies, and later dictatorships, that followed soured a lot of people to the idea entirely, particularly by the 1960's.

  2. The independent role that Saudi Arabia played, which was probably the most important in the development of modern Jihadism. While most militant are not technically Wahhabi/Salafi, the ideological root of the movement is very explicitly found in the Saudi Arabian Salafist school of Islam, which was then developed into modern Jihadism in Egypt by scholars like Sayyid Qutb. The Saudis then began exporting the ideology by spnsoring the building of Salafist mosques and sending radical preachers across the world. They also sent fighters, Bin Laden is the most famous but you'd be surprised how many of the 'Iraqi' militants that fought against allied forces there were actually Saudi citizens.

So yeah between the two I don't think there was much chance of radical Islam not getting this bad even without Western money backing it.

And as far as factionalism within Islam, that's mainly a result of a couple of the religion's quirks. Firstly it's very 'legalistic' and by that I mean it is based on the literal word of God, and thus not open to a lot of interpretation, and secondly seperation of church and state is a completely foreign concept, as in they're literally the same thing. This led to historical situations whereby disputes over the tenets of the faith, and disputes over political leadership were essentially the same, the most famous being the Sunni/Shia split which literally occurred over a succession dispute after Muhammad's death between Ali and Abu Bakr.
 
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MMS-China said:
The Arabs have been using the Palestinians as a doorstop. But remove them, and then you'd likely get claims of the Biblical Israeli borders.
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I mentioned this previously, but I've spoken to multiple Israelis that feel that Jordan as a country has no legitimacy, it's a fake country invented by the British and ruled by foreigners, and what needs to happen is Israel should get all of Jordan too and the Arabs there should go somewhere else because they were nomadic bedouins with no claim to the land anyway. They've even got a song about it, "Two Banks Of The River Jordan". (For balance I've also spoken to multiple Israelis who at least were supportive of a two-state solution and of Israel pulling out of the West Bank).
Ghostse said:
His son is an attack helicopter pilot in the Jordanian airforce. For a royal line founded by a literal Schitzo, they have somehow lucked out and got the only functional Middle Eastern government.
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The King's mother is English (literally she was a secretary working on a film that the King's father took a shine to) so I guess he grew up with a heavy Western influence.
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SpergioLeonne said:
Imagine a desperate Chinese dude watching the banks fail around him as the CCP cracks down on moving money out of the country, being assmad about how come his country is so fucked and hating America for only being partially fucked, bringing up the temporary internment of Japanese Americans during world war 2.
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Really odd that a Chinese person would show sympathy for the Japs, considering all that Nanking business.
 
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