2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

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Don’t know if it’s been posted yet (rate me late if so) but I saw a IDF spokesman claiming they have recordings of Hamas officials who did not know they were being listened to admitting it was a misfire from Gaza and discussing how to deflect blame. Said it’ll be posted soon.
Wonder if it’s legit. Don’t know if I trust anything posted exclusively by IDF or Hamas since they’re both just churning out nonstop propaganda, but would be interesting to see what they’ve supposedly got and hear how they supposedly got it.
 
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tiffanytwisted said:
Don’t know if it’s been posted yet (rate me late if so) but I saw a IDF spokesman claiming they have recordings of Hamas officials who did not know they were being listened to admitting it was a misfire from Gaza and discussing how to deflect blame. Said it’ll be posted soon.
Wonder if it’s legit. Don’t know if I trust anything posted exclusively by IDF or Hamas since they’re both just churning out nonstop propaganda, but would be interesting to see what they’ve supposedly got and hear how they supposedly got it.
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It's never confidence building when they say "dood I have this thing, just wait" rather than just being silent until they have the actual thing to post.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
There is a solution to the issue that hasn't been considered. Counter fire. The rocket going up would have revealed the launch site to Israeli Artillery. If Hamas launched the rocket close to the Hospital, all it would take is minor mathematical errors in the targeting solution or some counter fire radar operator fat fingering the wrong number to send the counter fire off course by 100 meters. Into the hospital instead of the launch site.
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Add to this theory that Hamas has long been known to use Hospitals, Schools and Mosques as ammo dumps and launch sites precisely because the Israeli's are reluctant to counter strike them. There were some claims earlier in the thread that the hospital received a warning from the IDF. Chances are they were targeting close to the hospital and missed the target in a very bad way. Not that anybody will ever admit to that. Shit happens during war. And this type of shit is rarely ever with deliberate intent.
 
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How is this different from the regular online journalism revenue model? Is it just the fact that any random asshole can exploit it now?
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For full details see the video. A colossal volume of false statements is being spewed on Xitter and it's also possible to game the community notes feature to fan the flames. For example, someone claiming to be a reporter posted "A source close to Elon Musk revealed he is close to taking his own life." A community note appeared below it saying just "True." Twitter makes it possible for people to spew torrents of lies and it strongly incentivizes it with revenue sharing.

A traditional news site posting articles is easier to debunk, you can archive and link to it and post refutations, like some posts on KF do. Xitter moves at a mile a minute and has little sense of history so the speed of debunking can be at most like 10% the speed at which people make up stories. It's also much easier to bullshit on X than it is to set up a news website, and websites have much more persistent reputations. If you really get called out for lying you can just make another account and keep tweeting. It's "a lie can travel around the world in the time it takes for the truth to put on its shoes" but amplified to the nth degree. Xitter is paying people for engagement which means that the most inflammatory content will make the most money. There's no reward for being truthful and huge rewards for lying as much and as brazenly as possible.
 
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quackrock said:
Would archive but .is isn't working for me right now.
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quackrock said:
Thread from a New York Times Visual Investigations reporter (aka the closest thing to a real journalist at NYT) on the Hamas paraglider training camp. Seems it was known to the IDF, they bombed it back in 2014 and 2021:
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CNN piece on the base which goes into more detail:
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tiffanytwisted said:
Don’t know if it’s been posted yet (rate me late if so) but I saw a IDF spokesman claiming they have recordings of Hamas officials who did not know they were being listened to admitting it was a misfire from Gaza and discussing how to deflect blame. Said it’ll be posted soon.
Wonder if it’s legit. Don’t know if I trust anything posted exclusively by IDF or Hamas since they’re both just churning out nonstop propaganda, but would be interesting to see what they’ve supposedly got and hear how they supposedly got it.
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Don't want to sound biased but such an "oopsie doopsie, they caught us saying we're innocent" leak doesn't seem particularly trustworthy.
 
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It's never confidence building when they say "dood I have this thing, just wait" rather than just being silent until they have the actual thing to post.
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Very true. Though it does sound like they want their official response to be a long video compiling all of the evidence they have together in one place to try to prove their point. He says they’re adding several videos from multiple angles as well as the alleged tape of the Hamas confession and other undisclosed “evidence”. I’d assume that editing it all together and adding translation captions and stuff would take at least a little bit of time and wouldn’t be an instant thing. But with their size of their staff and propaganda teams, I’ll be pretty suspicious if they can’t get it out within 1-2 hours at the most.

Here’s one of the clips where the supposed tape is discussed: https://youtu.be/GnQ33ZnArTU?si=K3Ppp1y9cXhp92Vl
 
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mindlessobserver said:
There is a solution to the issue that hasn't been considered. Counter fire. The rocket going up would have revealed the launch site to Israeli Artillery. If Hamas launched the rocket close to the Hospital, all it would take is minor mathematical errors in the targeting solution or some counter fire radar operator fat fingering the wrong number to send the counter fire off course by 100 meters. Into the hospital instead of the launch site.
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That boom's still too big for an artillery shell. Is rocket artillery used for this type of counter fire? Israel operates a variety of tracked and truck-mounted systems. Could explain why Israel's air-based forces denied involvement, i.e. if it really wasn't them but a ground-to-ground missile
 
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RodgerDodger said:
Add to this theory that Hamas has long been known to use Hospitals, Schools and Mosques as ammo dumps and launch sites precisely because the Israeli's are reluctant to counter strike them. There were some claims earlier in the thread that the hospital received a warning from the IDF. Chances are they were targeting close to the hospital and missed the target in a very bad way. Not that anybody will ever admit to that. Shit happens during war. And this type of shit is rarely ever with deliberate intent.
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This is plausible as well. In reality, no one should give a shit that a hospital was hit unless it was provably deliberate and not in the aim of a military objective. Unfortunately, muslims and leftists need an excuse to go rabid at Israel and as it goes this is perfect.
 
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RodgerDodger said:
Add to this theory that Hamas has long been known to use Hospitals, Schools and Mosques as ammo dumps and launch sites precisely because the Israeli's are reluctant to counter strike them. There were some claims earlier in the thread that the hospital received a warning from the IDF. Chances are they were targeting close to the hospital and missed the target in a very bad way. Not that anybody will ever admit to that. Shit happens during war. And this type of shit is rarely ever with deliberate intent.
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Not to mention that the flyers mentioned a ground op, not an airstrike.
 
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