Feminism discussion thread

[AmberHeardSupporter]

It's obviously something that bothers you quite a bit, so my point is, why don't you just ignore it? All your posts give me the impression that your only motivator is spite. Sad, really. Maybe if you took these posts as seriously as I take your "kill all men" shtick you wouldn't hate men so much.

Because I literally can’t I just told you. And yes dummy I already said that I’m motivated by anger are you slow? No I’m not gonna read men’s genuine accounts of why women are inferior and take it lightly like you want me to. I’m not going to go to lalaland and pretend that when men are saying that disgusting things to us they’re just joking. I’m not gonna do that at all. When men tell me what they are I’m gonna listen to them

This has piqued my interest. What’s the specific compromise you’re looking for between the sexes?

For example:
Men get:
-Women lower their dating standards
-No abortion

Women get:
-No rape or murder of women
-No absentee fathers

What would you like to see women compromise on and what are you willing to give up to get it?

Please tell me this nigga is not anti abortion….

 

[AgendaPoster]

This has piqued my interest. What’s the specific compromise you’re looking for between the sexes?

For example:
Men get:
-Women lower their dating standards
-No abortion

Women get:
-No rape or murder of women
-No absentee fathers

What would you like to see women compromise on and what are you willing to give up to get it?

Good questions. Also difficult.
What I want is of little relevance, because I am just one person with peculiar tastes.
What I would expect is a large scale debate, transparent, on mainstream media, where both sides agree to not cancel others and not try to retaliate.
I want biology to be the root of such debates, also statistical data. And I want large scale, democratic compromise, based on facts.
As you can see, it's impossible to predict with certainty how that might look like.
As for your suggestions, I want limits on abortion, but I also want it safe, free and accessible within those limits. You won't find me taking strict pro-life positions, but entering too much detail is for the abortion topic(s).
I also cannot and would not force women to "lower their standards". Women were always picky and chose the best genetic material they could get their hands on. While I am sympathetic to men who cannot find partners, it's important that women set high standards that push men into competing with each other for access. Basically it's a form of eugenics.
No rape or murder is not something you can bargain with, as they are illegal on 99% of the planet. Not doing evil, cruel things to women, even if they slight you, should be the norm. Don't ever be a low IQ grugg. You wanna take vengeance on some chick that betrayed you? There are other approaches than murder and rape, trust me.
No absentee fathers would be nice, but it would also require some sort of hyper-authoritarian structure to monitor families and keep those trying to run away in place. Not desirable IMO.
Policies should be incentive based, not top down authoritarian BS for no good reason. There are times you need authoritarian stuff, this is not one.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

Please tell me this nigga is not anti abortion….

I am legally required to tell you that I support abortion under imminent threat of the snib snib.

However, that post was purely a hypothetical thought-starter for @AgendaPoster to get a sense of what he means when he said compromise.

I once posed my full opinion on it in the abortion containment thread under my previous account @BULLY HUNTER_77 - bottom line is I support abortion in certain circumstances as long as society is consistent about its morals.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

I am legally required to tell you that I support abortion under imminent threat of the snib snib.

However, that post was purely a hypothetical thought-starter for @AgendaPoster to get a sense of what he means when he said compromise.

I once posed my full opinion on it in the abortion containment thread under my previous account @BULLY HUNTER_77 - bottom line is I support abortion in certain circumstances as long as society is consistent about its morals.

I wasnt talking about you I was talking about agendaposter it’s ok bullyhunter I know you’re one of the good ones

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

Policies should be incentive based, not top down authoritarian BS for no good reason.

Okay, I think I can summarize your post as follows:

Men get:
-Limits on abortion

Women get:
-Disincentivized rape and murder

Is this a fair representation of the incentivized compromise you’re looking for?

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Okay, I think I can summarize your post as follows:

Men get:
-Limits on abortion

Women get:
-Disincentivized rape and murder

Is this a fair representation of the incentivized compromise you’re looking for?

I'd say you forgot this, but I think you're avoiding it:

What I want is of little relevance, because I am just one person with peculiar tastes.
What I would expect is a large scale debate, transparent, on mainstream media, where both sides agree to not cancel others and not try to retaliate.
I want biology to be the root of such debates, also statistical data.

And I think this was the basis for a discussion, not a compromise item.

 

[Freya]

This has piqued my interest. What’s the specific compromise you’re looking for between the sexes?

For example:
Men get:
-Women lower their dating standards
-No abortion

Women get:
-No rape or murder of women
-No absentee fathers

What would you like to see women compromise on and what are you willing to give up to get it?

what i do with my body is not up for compromise

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

I'd say you forgot this, but I think you're avoiding it:

And I think this was the basis for a discussion, not a compromise item.

I disagree that what he wants is of little relevance because I’m obviously asking him about it. He’s obviously not a representative of all males everywhere so the opinion I’m trying to gather is his and his alone. Simple.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

what i do with my body is not up for compromise

What a doctor can do for your body can be regulated. You can still find a coathanger and roll the dice.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Okay, I think I can summarize your post as follows:

Men get:
-Limits on abortion

Women get:
-Disincentivized rape and murder

Is this a fair representation of the incentivized compromise you’re looking for?

Nope, cause that's incredibly limited in scope.
What I (personally) want above all else is an official recognition of the ample biological differences between the sexes, and more research on that.
Also a lot of talking. As you can see, people tend to have difficulty talking to the opposite sex these days.
No talking, no diplomacy, hardening of extremes, and general bad stuff
Talk more

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

Nope, cause that's incredibly limited in scope.
What I (personally) want above all else is an official recognition of the ample biological differences between the sexes, and more research on that.
Also a lot of talking. As you can see, people tend to have difficulty talking to the opposite sex these days.
No talking, no diplomacy, hardening of extremes, and general bad stuff
Talk more

For the increased dialogue portion of what you want, what are your thoughts on what’s going on in this thread? Is this thread not a dialogue between the genders?

Regarding the official recognition of biological differences between the genders, could you expand on that? When you bring it up, my brain jumps to banning troons from women’s sports. Is that what you had in mind?

 

[Ealen]

Because I literally can’t I just told you

Yes you can. Log off, touch grass, etc. No one is forcing you to look at it.

I already said that I’m motivated by anger

Right, but what you don't seem to get is that your rageposting makes you just as pathetic as incels who rant about raping women on sluthate all day. No one's impressed by it, you just appear unhinged.

I’m not going to go to lalaland and pretend that when men are saying that disgusting things to us they’re just joking. I’m not gonna do that at all. When men tell me what they are I’m gonna listen to them

This says it all really, and to a large degree I understand how stuff like this develops. Being on this side of the internet naturally exposes you to a lot of misogynist content, but also feedback loops of examples of pathological female behavior. If you're unable to recognize that these examples are not necessarily indicative of a broader trend, you start to go off the deep end. The difference is that there are women in my life I care about and respect. If you can't relate to that with men, then I'm sincerely sorry to hear that but your experience is far from universal.

Whatever events may have transpired that make you feel this way are not your fault, but taking it out on men in this fashion is counterproductive and unhealthy.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Regarding the official recognition of biological differences between the genders, could you expand on that? When you bring it up, my brain jumps to banning troons from women’s sports. Is that what you had in mind?

Thread is generally OK but the women should post more, seems a lot of the ladies prefer to just mock Anisa and Chantal instead. Mass negrating people, celebrating death and atrocities is pretty much guaranteed to just rile up the "other side" and kill all discussion and create needless hostility.
As for biological differences, it's just a great place to start as they are measurable and undeniable. Denying them makes you a retard basically.
Liberalism and feminism are pursuits of equality, basically, and inherently attempt to diminish such differences, or to overcome them, like through affirmative action. Acknowledging biology means an acknowledgement of difference, hence inequality. Inequality generates hierarchy. Hierarchy generates order from chaos.
You draw your own conclusions

 

[Stan]

What I (personally) want above all else is an official recognition of the ample biological differences between the sexes, and more research on that.
Also a lot of talking. As you can see, people tend to have difficulty talking to the opposite sex these days.

As for biological differences, it's just a great place to start as they are measurable and undeniable. Denying them makes you a retard basically.

OK but wtf are you actually getting at when you make these biological assertions?

Acknowledging biology means an acknowledgement of difference, hence inequality. Inequality generates hierarchy. Hierarchy generates order from chaos.

Why are you talking like a Sith Lord?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Why are you talking like a Sith Lord?

Quite the unfair treatment they got in Star Wars isn't it?
After all, the Sith are just more honest, and a bit autistic and cruel, but in the end the Jedi sought order out of chaos and created hierarchies (strict ones) too.
Might be something unavoidable?

 

[Lemmingwiser]

I think it's hilarious that the feminism thread was birthed by the man-hate thread and also that the thread isn't in deep thought. This thread is exactly where it belongs.

It's also cosmic comedy that the first order of business was a woman who's lied about the kiwifarms and has said that it should be shut down, asked a man who managed to keep this website in the air against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, to keep other men out. The fact that women can't do such things for themselves is why we need feminism, and also why we'll always need feminism, because by and large, women do not get the same blessings of independence.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Yes you can. Log off, touch grass, etc. No one is forcing you to look at it.

it’s like this in real life too

Right, but what you don't seem to get is that your rageposting makes you just as pathetic as incels who rant about raping women on sluthate all day. No one's impressed by it, you just appear unhinged.

Lol I’m not trying to impress anyone I’m just venting whenever I want to just like men do

This says it all really, and to a large degree I understand how stuff like this develops. Being on this side of the internet naturally exposes you to a lot of misogynist content,

obviously

but also feedback loops of examples of pathological female behavior. If you're unable to recognize that these examples are not necessarily indicative of a broader trend, you start to go off the deep end. The difference is that there are women in my life I care about and respect. If you can't relate to that with men, then I'm sincerely sorry to hear that but your experience is far from universal.

I don’t care if my experience isn’t universal it’s my experience lol I don’t care if others don’t relate. I used to believe that it wasn’t all men until I heard men say it in real life. Now I don’t care

Whatever events may have transpired that make you feel this way are not your fault, but taking it out on men in this fashion is counterproductive and unhealthy.

Yeah it is but someone has to do it

I think it's hilarious that the feminism thread was birthed by the man-hate thread and also that the thread isn't in deep thought. This thread is exactly where it belongs.

It's also cosmic comedy that the first order of business was a woman who's lied about the kiwifarms and has said that it should be shut down, asked a man who managed to keep this website in the air against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, to keep other men out. The fact that women can't do such things for themselves is why we need feminism, and also why we'll always need feminism, because by and large, women do not get the same blessings of independence.

Now let’s see all the men that like posts calling for “equality and love between the genders and to stop hating each other” like this obviously misogynistic post

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

Sorry for slightly derailing but something I have noticed is that a few radfems who are antiporn (they have their reasons, not criticizing) tend to accidentally expose themselves as degens. Why am I saying this?
"Porn is so fucking degrading, men get off to women being slapped and choked[...]"

Like, sister... Your average perception of porn is hardcore shit that involves beating and choking, something that is very niche in nature and cannot being found this easily. Specially nowadays that most porn is made on Onlyfans.
It's more probable for a guy to crank his hog to Sonic the Hedgehog porn than something like that.
It's almost feels as if they look at these types of content themselves, dislike it and feels ashamed, and then projects it onto others.
I know this is purely anecdotal but I have seen two cases of radfem types sperging about porn being exposed as extreme degenerates themselves. Don't know how frequent it is but I just wanted to share just to see if it's common or just me.

 

[Lurker]

Sorry for slightly derailing but something I have noticed is that a few radfems who are antiporn (they have their reasons, not criticizing) tend to accidentally expose themselves as degens. Why am I saying this?
"Porn is so fucking degrading, men get off to women being slapped and choked[...]"

Like, sister... Your average perception of porn is hardcore shit that involves beating and choking, something that is very niche in nature and cannot being found this easily. Specially nowadays that most porn is made on Onlyfans.
It's more probable for a guy to crank his hog to Sonic the Hedgehog porn than something like that.
It's almost feels as if they look at these types of content themselves, dislike it and feels ashamed, and then projects it onto others.
I know this is purely anecdotal but I have seen two cases of radfem types sperging about porn being exposed as extreme degenerates themselves. Don't know how frequent it is but I just wanted to share just to see if it's common or just me.

men proudly admit they're into that shit, though.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

men proudly admit they're into that shit, though.

Never once have I seen anyone male admiting liking choking or beating, just cringy mommy shit or whatever. Anyways, it's all anecdotal.