US Inside the secretive melting of the Civil War monument Robert E. Lee - Melted down in secret, the divisive monument will be turned into a new piece of public art.

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SOMEWHERE IN THE U.S. SOUTH — It was a choice to melt down Robert E. Lee. But it would have been a choice to keep him intact, too.

So the statue of the Confederate general that once stood in Charlottesville — the one that prompted the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in 2017 — was now being cut into fragments and dropped into a furnace, dissolving into a sludge of glowing bronze.

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The Washington Post spent a day watching foundry workers cut up parts of Charlottesville’s statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, including the head and sword, and melt those in a furnace. Post journalists were allowed to join on the condition they did not identify the foundry’s location and state or record the workers’ faces to protect them and the facility.

Six years ago, groups with ties to the Confederacy had sued to stop the monument from being taken down. Torch-bearing white nationalists descended on the Virginia college town to protest its removal, and one man drove his car through a crowd of counterprotesters, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring 35 others.

The statue’s defenders more recently sought to block the city from handing Lee over to Charlottesville’s Black history museum, which proposed a plan to repurpose the metal. In a lawsuit, those plaintiffs suggested the century-old monument should remain intact or be turned into Civil War-style cannons.

But on Saturday the museum went ahead with its plan in secret at this small Southern foundry outside Virginia, in a town and state The Washington Post agreed not to name because of participants’ fears of violence.

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The Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville was the focal point of the deadly Unite the Right rally in 2017. (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)

“Well, they can’t put Humpty Dumpty back together again,” said Andrea Douglas, the museum’s executive director, as she watched pieces of oxidized metal descend into the furnace. “There will be no tape for that.”

“No cannons,” added Jalane Schmidt, a University of Virginia religious studies professor standing beside her.

Swords Into Plowshares, a project led by the two women, will turn bronze ingots made from molten Lee into a new piece of public artwork to be displayed in Charlottesville. They made arrangements for Lee to be melted down while they started collecting ideas from city residents for that new sculpture.

Given past threats to the project and worries about legal action, Douglas, Schmidt and other organizers who traveled to this foundry in the American South took great pains to keep this part of the process under wraps. Only a few dozen people, including some who had housed or transported the dismembered figure of Lee, were invited to watch alongside them in secret. They announced the feat at a news conference Thursday afternoon in Charlottesville.

As dozens of Confederate monuments have been toppled around the country, most others have been left to sit in storage or put up on Civil War battlefields that venerate the Lost Cause. A few have been exhibited in museums, where historians can add necessary context. But this might be the first Confederate monument to be melted, and each person witnessing the scene on Saturday had a different view of what it meant.

Some said the statue was being destroyed. Others called it a restoration. Depending on whom you asked, the bronze was being reclaimed, disrupted, or redeemed to a higher purpose. It was a grim act of justice and a celebration all in one.

Schmidt, who directs the Memory Project at U-Va.’s Karsh Institute of Democracy, said she felt like she was preparing for an execution of sorts — “like if there’s a rabid dog in the neighborhood that’s been hurting people, and it needs to be euthanized,” she said.

Still, that dark feeling was better than carting Charlottesville’s “white supremacist toxic waste” away to some other community. The statue would still be taking up space. Someone would still be paying for it to stand there.

“We are taking the moral risk associated with melting it down,” she added, “in the hope of creating something new.”

After the city took the statue down in July 2021, officials left it in a bus depot until voting to hand it over to the Jefferson School African American Heritage Center. In the two years since, the museum was forced to relocate Lee “on more than one occasion” because of safety concerns, Douglas said.

That happened under sometimes-urgent deadlines, amid security concerns and the logistical challenges of handling about 6,000 pounds of bronze. The metal requires a forklift to be moved even just a few yards, much less out of Virginia.

After the museum received the statue from the city but before it reached the foundry, Lee was cut down into nine pieces — although museum leaders declined to say where or when. The general’s head was removed from his body and his horse, Traveller, but it needed to be broken down further to fit into the small furnace here.

With a flash of bluish-white light and orange sparks, a trio of foundry workers carved seven long gashes into Lee’s severed head.

“It’s a better sculpture right now than it’s ever been,” said one of the metal-casters, who along with other foundry workers spoke to The Post on the condition of anonymity because of concerns about potential retaliation. “We’re taking away what it meant for some people and transforming it.”

All of this could have happened as early as January 2022. But once the lawsuit was filed to block the meltdown, the museum waited until a judge agreed to dismiss the case. A 30-day window for plaintiffs to appeal that decision expired Thursday afternoon.

The general’s head was hollow, save for a few traces of wax mold and some dirt and rust buildup inside. “I hope it doesn’t convey a message of hate on hate. It’s not that,” one of the foundrymen said. Below his face shield, he wore a black “Don’t Tread on Me” cap.

The foundry workers put the statue fragments into a metal cage, covered them in a blanket and then used a forklift to move them from the indoor workshop to the yard outside, where the small crowd started filling in to watch the action.

Douglas paid tribute to the nearly 15,000 enslaved people who lived in Charlottesville at the start of the Civil War and made up a majority of the town’s population. Schmidt spoke about the “moral risk” of keeping Confederate statues intact.

The Rev. Isaac Collins, a United Methodist minister who at one point helped transport the broken-apart statue, followed with a sermon over the jet-engine whir of the furnace. He and Schmidt had organized Bible studies suggesting that celebrating the Lost Cause through public statues was a sin, and he made a similar case as he cited Bible verses and told of Charlottesville’s history of cross-burnings and Jim Crow.

“There’s a different story about the South to be told, and to do that, we have to get rid of all these myths,” he told the group.

A tank of propane gas mixed with forced air from a blower to reach a scalding 2,250 degrees Fahrenheit in the furnace. Working in batches, the foundry workers put fragments of the Lee statue on top of the equipment to preheat them and remove any moisture.

One of them compared the process of melting bronze to cooking: Any water can cause a small explosion, and you don’t want hot metal bursting out of the machine. But the preheating was not a bad excuse to add some dramatic flair, as they set up the glow of the fire to reflect off the inside of Lee’s cracked, severed face.

In the five-year debate over whether it could be toppled, the monument had been “patrolled” by armed vigilante groups and vandalized with paint and graffiti by protesters. Residents fought over whether it should be shrouded in black cloth, and politicians on the campaign trail cited the statue as a symbol of either heritage or hatred.

In some ways, organizers said, that history only made this haunted spectacle feel more real. “Oh, my gosh. It’s like a Halloween movie back here,” Schmidt said as she walked around to view the face from the back. “That is creepy.”

Finding a foundry to take on a project like this one was hardly an easy task. Plenty of people said no. But the owner of this foundry, a Black man, said he didn’t feel like he had a choice.

“The risk is being targeted by people of hate, having my business damaged, having threats to family and friends,” he said. Yet, “when you are approached with such an honor, especially to destroy hate, you have to do it.”

To him, melting the statue down meant the trauma will be gone when Black people pass squares where Confederate statues once stood. “It is time to dismantle this hate, this infection that has plagued our beautiful country,” he said. “It is time to rid these icons of hate.”

Hours later into the night, he and another metal-caster used a set of lifting tongs to pick up the crucible, a ceramic container that holds the bronze inside the furnace. They used a new one to avoid contaminating the metal with other materials. The crowd gathered to watch, oohing and aahing at the glowing barrel as it was lifted up.

If you took away the off-duty police officers brought on to guard the property, or the plastic tarp hiding it all from the street, it all started to feel something like a backyard bonfire.

There were toddlers eating pizza, parents in “Swords Into Plowshares” shirts sitting on lawn chairs, and old friends sipping from paper cups filled with champagne and bourbon. Some were reuniting after previously helping with the project, and many brought their families along to witness this small moment in history.

All of them, though, had been instructed to disable the location on their phones. Charlottesville activists have faced online attacks and had tiki torches planted in their front yards, and the organizers didn’t want a repeat incident here.

The foundry workers poured the crucible into custom-made iron molds, which are meant to leave the Swords Into Plowshares logo etched onto the ingots.

The furnace was hot enough that it should have easily turned the bronze into liquid. But the molten metal got thick and clumpy unusually fast, and the workers wondered whether there was something else — maybe some tin or lead? — corrupting the century-old material.

The metal had been cast while Charlottesville and the South were ruled by segregation and dedicated days after the Ku Klux Klan marched through town. Philanthropist Paul G. McIntire, whose prosperous enslaver father had been financially crippled by the Civil War, commissioned and donated the monument to the city.

“This metal has a lot of bad juju stuck in it,” the foundry owner said, studying the lumpy bronze. “It’s cursed.”

After the molds cooled, the foundry workers flipped them onto a pool of sand and banged on them so the ingots would fall out. They were streaked in different shades of brown, some of the engravings a little hard to see.

To Schmidt, it did not seem to particularly matter. The ingots were something to work with — something that took up a different kind of space in the world — and could allow them to imagine what form the metal might take on next.

This was merely the “end of the middle.” They had already faced lawsuits and protests, fought neo-Nazis and monument defenders, fended off attacks and worked in secret to get the bronze to this state. Now came the very public process of taking something ugly and making something beautiful: picking an artist, meeting with residents and imagining what might happen next.

“This is a relief,” she sighed. “This feels good to have material created. … It’s got to go forward.”

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Talk radio personalities are too busy sucking circumcised dick, reminiscing about Reagan or America saving the day during WWII, and pull "Democrats are the real racists" instead of making a stand on American history being erased. They just sit behind their microphones offering no solution and get offended when a caller doesn't agree with them 100% and calls out their inactivity.
To be fair to them they are forced into being milquetoast and only parroting approved messaging.

Alex Jones did nothing but host a goofy radio show, I can't speak for anyone but myself but I always felt Alex was just being a character, The conspiracy theories were just that, outlandish claims being backed up by political sci-fi. And now he has a insane $1.5 Billion dollar judgement that'd be impossible to pay. All because he claimed Sandy Hook was a hoax.

Then you've got Gavin McInnes, who was even more of just a shock jock. Had he not gotten out of his Proud Boys gang he'd likely be behind bars. And even then he didn't commit any actions. He just talked shit a few hours every day. He got off relatively easy compared to Jones but who knows how many people pay for his dumb entertainment site.

Making even a semblance of a stand is putting yourself in peril.
 
"It’s a better sculpture right now than it’s ever been," one of the metal-casters said. "We’re taking away what it meant for some people and transforming it."
The Washington Post did not name the owner of the foundry, but suggested, "To him, melting the statue down meant the trauma will be gone when Black people pass squares where Confederate statues once stood."
Nice job letting them quote you.

I'd call that enthusiastic collaboration rather than workaday drudgery personally...
 
Talk radio personalities are too busy sucking circumcised dick, reminiscing about Reagan or America saving the day during WWII, and pull "Democrats are the real racists" instead of making a stand on American history being erased. They just sit behind their microphones offering no solution and get offended when a caller doesn't agree with them 100% and calls out their inactivity.
I've seen that first hand while in the car myself. I remember once hearing them shame a guy who was angry and calling for certain measures of these events. Personally I think most of the right wing speakers are more or less trying to use these events for political clout (basically letting it happen to garner more votes or their candidate of choice for whatever position) It's really gross, even worse when looking at France, and even UK they understand what the actual solution to these kind of actions (or their own countries ailments are) actually is. The French of all people have made that realization before most of the other western nations, sure they haven't carried them out, but actualization is the second step to solution.Realization-->Actualization--->?--->Profit.

Then again a large majority of the right these days are fence sitters pushed out from the center (or other groups) into the right wing, so that might explain the larger issue with the right. Should have gate kept their party instead of being welcoming to pacifist tards..

Making even a semblance of a stand is putting yourself in peril.
I agree for the most part, but if the speakers were to push for revolution and overhaul of the society and the right were to carry such a concept out [not fed posting just theorymonning] then they would not be in peril. It's just hard to tell if this view from the right comes from top-down or down-top. It's self-defeating either way when people like Alex often used Subtle pushes in the right direction.
 
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I’ve come around a bit. I used to be dyed in the wool Confederate lover, but I realize that it’s pretty gay tbh. Supporting Southern “revisionism” is bad; we’re the USA, you should only be flying flags from our Nation. Public monuments shouldn’t be of traitors and criminals. But, each southern state should have a sort of Arlington, where they memorialize the men who stood by them even when they were wrong and lost. One location, not scattered across the state in general. It’s important to respect and remember, but we shouldn’t be idolizing them.

That said, fuck this gay shit. Lee is a national icon, and of all southern figures, he should be considered the only one who deserves to be immortalized across the country. Grant didn’t do it alone.
 
People are acting like this is unprecedented.

Do y'all know any history at all? That in ancient times the idols of defeated cities were tossed into trash heaps? The Assyrians who ground up the gravestones of conquered subjects.

To the Islamic conquests, and the burning of Tenochtitlan.

People are complacent because life is comfortable, despite the problems and they seem to think just because no big 20th century wars have happened, history has stopped.

Well it hasn't. Its still ongoing now, in every racial struggle, in every migrant moving to Texas and every Antifa let off by a sympathetic DA.

Stop being passive and reactive, or become the slaves and corpses your enemies work day and night for you to be.
 
I’ve come around a bit. I used to be dyed in the wool Confederate lover, but I realize that it’s pretty gay tbh. Supporting Southern “revisionism” is bad; we’re the USA, you should only be flying flags from our Nation. Public monuments shouldn’t be of traitors and criminals. But, each southern state should have a sort of Arlington, where they memorialize the men who stood by them even when they were wrong and lost. One location, not scattered across the state in general. It’s important to respect and remember, but we shouldn’t be idolizing them.

That said, fuck this gay shit. Lee is a national icon, and of all southern figures, he should be considered the only one who deserves to be immortalized across the country. Grant didn’t do it alone.
He helped heal the nation. Shame his citizenship request was stolen by some guy who wanted a souvenir.
 
Talk radio personalities are too busy sucking circumcised dick, reminiscing about Reagan or America saving the day during WWII, and pull "Democrats are the real racists" instead of making a stand on American history being erased. They just sit behind their microphones offering no solution and get offended when a caller doesn't agree with them 100% and calls out their inactivity.

Controlled opposition. They keep telling you that you can vote your way out, and mysteriously everything keeps going in one direction.
 

What happened to people recognizing that the confederacy was retarded, but that people gave their lives to fight for a cause they were misled into defending by rich people?
Having empathy for "the wrong people" and trying to understand them and what it would be like is seen as a moral failure now.
 
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Can't wait to see what sort of abomination will be put in its place. A nameless pregnant black lady, a hair pick, what looks like a pair of arms holding a giant turd... whatever it is, I know it'll be "Black Art," and thus probably retarded.
I'm desperately hoping for a bronze Broken Buck statue.
 
What happened to people recognizing that the confederacy was retarded, but that people gave their lives to fight for a cause they were misled into defending by rich people?
Having empathy for "the wrong people" and trying to understand them and what it would be like is seen as a moral failure now.
The truth escaped from the total propaganda bubble.
That's what happened.
 
People are acting like this is unprecedented.

Do y'all know any history at all? That in ancient times the idols of defeated cities were tossed into trash heaps? The Assyrians who ground up the gravestones of conquered subjects.

To the Islamic conquests, and the burning of Tenochtitlan.

People are complacent because life is comfortable, despite the problems and they seem to think just because no big 20th century wars have happened, history has stopped.

Well it hasn't. Its still ongoing now, in every racial struggle, in every migrant moving to Texas and every Antifa let off by a sympathetic DA.

Stop being passive and reactive, or become the slaves and corpses your enemies work day and night for you to be.
America and ever other Western nation has been conquered for a long time. This is just a victory lap, looking forward to seeing more statues getting toppled down and melted away just to see how long it's going to take for anyone to take a real stand(spoiler: it will be all of them)
 
The act of myth-making that has occurred around Robert E. Lee, removing his face is emblematic of the kind of removal of that kind of myth," Douglas noted.
What this fucking doorknob, and most of these Orwellian ideologues refuse to admit, or are too stupid to realize, is that General Lee was alot more than the evil Confederate boogeyman they portray him to be. If you really want to watch their heads explode, tell them the undeniable truth that before the Civil War, Lee was not only a respected US War hero, he also was the Superintendent of West Point, and before Virginia seceded from the US, he was offered command of the US military for the impending war. Even pozzed Wikipedia begrudgingly lays out these facts.
Another point to all of this is, after the war, both Lee and Ulysses Grant both were advocates for reconciliation between the north and south. So much so that in 1868, President Andrew Johnson formally pardoned all Confederate veterans. Also, despite all of the mealy-mouthed workarounds and "whataboutisms" U.S. Public Law 85-425, Section 410 from 1958 gave defacto US veteran status to all Confederate veterans.

Also, to make the revisionists seeth even more, Arlington National Cemetery has a Confederate Memorial section.

Leftists sure have to do lots of shit in secret. Which makes no sense when you consider how proud they claim to be over what they are doing.
Notice that they only ever brag about it AFTER  the fact. They actively bleat out meaningless words like "concerned about safety" as their excuse for hiding their misdeeds, going all covert psyops with tarps, NDAs, and phone location turned off, as it they’re fucking Seal Team 6... 🙄 It's the very fucking definition of cowardice. And then they have the audacity to brag about it afterwards as if they actually accomplished something. Yup, you really got one over on everyone, what with the secret court orders, NDAs, limited audiences and all that!!!!!
I will say, although I hate them, I admire the Left for acting on their conviction. There is very little that is comparable in opposition, there is no right-wing in this country, and certainly nothing that would melt their statues or burn their books.
Fuck that, there is nothing admirable about these literal scumbag subhumans. They infiltrate all the institutions on false pretenses and infect them with their ideological nonsense, and slowly tale over the power structures of government. You CANNOT admire people who can merely act with impunity without fear of repercussions for their actions. When a nigger can hold a pregnant woman at gunpoint and later be anointed as a saint because a cop knelt on him a little too hard, or a thrice convicted sex pest is exhaulted as "stunning and brave" the minute he puts on a wig and dress, but you can literally lose your career, livelihood, personal reputation and friends/family for calling them out, that is no degree of bravery, IMO.
Oh these fuckers are defintely coming for the actual battlefields next and are going to use this excuse too. Expect every mention of Confederate positions or where a CSA officer or army camp was to be obliterated next.
They're already doing it, look at all of the US military bases, schools and other institutions that are constantly being renamed, usually for some "heroic" unknown nigger that nobody has ever heard of.

The left will never stop making non events into big moments that can fit their narrative. Unite the right has to be a deadly sign of white surpremacy and not people trying to upset an angry beast.
Just like the "Deadly January 6th Insurrection™️" that was touted as "worse than 9/11"... until video proof showed that it was little more than a sanctioned tour and meet-and-greet that got a bit out of hand due to  glowniggers agent provocateurs "MAGA extremists".
This is what happens when the left actively fights on the streets and makes power plays within the government, and the right is...crying on the internet, trying to "be the better side", and posting pepes on /pol/ instead of doing anything.
The true "right" doesn't have the fucking time to whine and protest over every perceived injustice and systematic "-ism" at the drop of a hat. They're too busy trying to make a living for themselves and/or their families to get involved with the next big globohomo agenda or US funded war in some brown shithole.
This is gross, in the way it was handled and the smug mentality of the people in charge of it. Hope they get doxxed.
Uggh.... fine... there's alot of UVA and VT faculty who happen to be mentioned in the article. And VT coincidentally happens to have a metal foundry and testing facility. Now my few minutes of non-professional looking should be taken with a grain of salt, but the background in a few pictures from the VT foundry...Screenshot_20231029_035942_Samsung Internet.jpgScreenshot_20231029_035853_Samsung Internet.jpg... look awfully similar to the background posted in articles from them gloating about the statue melting...webRNS-Charlottesville-Statue3-102623-1536x1024.jpg maybe I'm wrong, but the whole " Black owned small foundry in a non-descript location in the south" could be a red-herring to throw off the scent from all the "white-supremacist, Alt-right Nazi MAGA extremists"? 🤔 Also.... how fucking pathetic do the foundry operators look standing triumphantly back there, bravely covering there entire bodies?! Just like everything else about this whole situation, they're all pathetic, wholesale cowards.
Can someone do this to a Saint Floyd statue?
Right..... as if the minute that happens the poor soul wouldn't be locked up for trumped up "hate crimes" for offending the pee-oh-cees. Just like the people who get chastised and shamed for doing burnouts on the streets after some faggots paint a fag mural in a crosswalk. In the end, they're only asking for it because the make it too easy to do.
 
Right..... as if the minute that happens the poor soul wouldn't be locked up for trumped up "hate crimes" for offending the pee-oh-cees. Just like the people who get chastised and shamed for doing burnouts on the streets after some faggots paint a fag mural in a crosswalk. In the end, they're only asking for it because the make it too easy to do.
I guess it's up to Mother Nature to do the job just like she did with that George Floyd mural.
 
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Then again a large majority of the right these days are fence sitters pushed out from the center (or other groups) into the right wing, so that might explain the larger issue with the right. Should have gate kept their party instead of being welcoming to pacifist tards..
But if the pacifist herds are gate kept out we wouldn't be getting their shekels when it's time to pass right-wing collection plate.
 

For now. See the earlier remark about the Assyrians grinding up the gravestones of their enemies.

Fuck that, there is nothing admirable about these literal scumbag subhumans. They infiltrate all the institutions on false pretenses and infect them with their ideological nonsense, and slowly tale over the power structures of government. You CANNOT admire people who can merely act with impunity without fear of repercussions for their actions. When a nigger can hold a pregnant woman at gunpoint and later be anointed as a saint because a cop knelt on him a little too hard, or a thrice convicted sex pest is exhaulted as "stunning and brave" the minute he puts on a wig and dress, but you can literally lose your career, livelihood, personal reputation and friends/family for calling them out, that is no degree of bravery, IMO.

The right is the cowardly side. It's the right, not the left, who crumples into a quivering mess at the slightest disapproval, begging our enemies to forgive us, any time they accuse us of being mean. Every single advance of the left proceeds the same way - they announce they're going to defile some new aspect of public life, we ask them to please not do that, they tell us we're mean, and we start rolling around on the ground in sackcloth and ashes, begging them to please say anything, do anything, but please don't accuse us of being mean.
 
Put together by white people no doubt. It's always hilarious how leftards think they're helping but they always come off as more racist than the fucking KKK.
The left in the west is at this core belief. Whatever gives the educated elite more power and control over society is considered progress.
 
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