2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

Why, yes. After working in American higher education I learned that Saudis can get 100% tuition coverage overseas from their government so I met a lot of them. I soon realized they were some of the dumbest people ever, with all of them having to take remedial community college math (remember how Arabs invented algebra?!!?!?). I also noticed many of them had borderline microcephaly, so I looked into a reason as to why. Then I found the reason:
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Yeah, I have encountered this exact experience second hand from friends and colleagues over the years who had to directly interact with saudis in education or the workforce. Saudis seem to have a universal reputation for being literally retarded hicks who think they are untouchable because muh oil money even more than the rest of the petro-states in the region.

I know you guys have a massive hateboner for Ben Shapiro, but this is a really good take down of a dumb British Mudslime cunt:
Pretty neatly encapsulates the whole situation. Ben Shapiro may be Ben Shapiro but the other side is the absolute fucking nadir of currentyear troonified "muh decolonializm, muh imperialism, muh raysism" bullshit that despite being so utterly fucking ignorant is still loudly shrieking about how initiating and sustaining violence against innocent people is stunning and brave
 
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So perhaps a bit of a stupid question, but do we think this represents a bit of a crossing the Rubicon in Western politics?

I'm not particularly invested in what side anyone is on if you think there's sides to be taken (shades of grey etc). We've had Palestinians going door to door murdering Jews, and we've had Jews declaring they want Total Palestinian Death.

The Jews (from anti-zionist British Jews to Zionist Israelis) I've spoken to feel mostly that they're being treated like Israel = Jews and wants to wipe them out and they want to respond accordingly, and anyone who keeps banging on about Palestine hates them, so they must secure the existence for their people and a future for Jewish children.

The Arabs/Muslims (including non-Arab Muslims and atheist gay British Palestinians) I've spoken to feel mostly that they're being treated like Arabs/Muslims = Hamas and Israel wants to wipe them out and they want to respond accordingly, and anyone who sides with Israel hates them, and they must secure the existence for their people and a future for Arab children.

There's notable exceptions on both sides. And it's not quite boiling over right now. But I feel like while Israel/Palestine was always a "hohoho let's not go there" issue, it's increasingly an issue you're supposed to have a stance on? Could just be the circles I mix with and the fact it's London (vs somewhere with no Jews or Muslims) but I feel this sort of "everyone say love" politics that was already dying off a bit is going to collapse the same way the post war consensus did.

(Both mainstream political parties in the UK are not calling for a ceasefire, which has caused much seething, but this better not become a single issue voting dynamic. Had enough of that with Brexit)
 
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So perhaps a bit of a stupid question, but do we think this represents a bit of a crossing the Rubicon in Western politics?

I'm not particularly invested in what side anyone is on if you think there's sides to be taken (shades of grey etc). We've had Palestinians going door to door murdering Jews, and we've had Jews declaring they want Total Palestinian Death.

The Jews (from anti-zionist British Jews to Zionist Israelis) I've spoken to feel mostly that they're being treated like Israel = Jews and wants to wipe them out and they want to respond accordingly, and anyone who keeps banging on about Palestine hates them, so they must secure the existence for their people and a future for Jewish children.

The Arabs/Muslims (including non-Arab Muslims and atheist gay British Palestinians) I've spoken to feel mostly that they're being treated like Arabs/Muslims = Hamas and Israel wants to wipe them out and they want to respond accordingly, and anyone who sides with Israel hates them, and they must secure the existence for their people and a future for Arab children.

There's notable exceptions on both sides. And it's not quite boiling over right now. But I feel like while Israel/Palestine was always a "hohoho let's not go there" issue, it's increasingly an issue you're supposed to have a stance on? Could just be the circles I mix with and the fact it's London (vs somewhere with no Jews or Muslims) but I feel this sort of "everyone say love" politics that was already dying off a bit is going to collapse the same way the post war consensus did.

(Both mainstream political parties in the UK are not calling for a ceasefire, which has caused much seething, but this better not become a single issue voting dynamic. Had enough of that with Brexit)
nothing big in my opinion
mudshits screaming KILL THE JEWS in the streets is a bit of an embarassment for liberal leftists because they base so much of their propaganda in "oy vey remember the holocaust!" but in the long term their monopoly on media control will just let them sweep it under the rug and have people forget about this little episode
 
Pretty neatly encapsulates the whole situation. Ben Shapiro may be Ben Shapiro but the other side is the absolute fucking nadir of currentyear troonified "muh decolonializm, muh imperialism, muh raysism" bullshit that despite being so utterly fucking ignorant is still loudly shrieking about how initiating and sustaining violence against innocent people is stunning and brave
I'm just enjoying watch jews eat shit over accusations of racism and colonialism that they have libeled my people over for decades. Doesn't feel too good huh?
 
The arabs never get together to destroy "das juden". A lot the jew(Israel) hate was political for regimes to stay in power. None liked nor cared about palestine back then.
True. King Abdullah I of Jordan met with Israel‘s nascent government & worked out an agreement to annex the 1947 arab partition and leave the rest for independent Jewlandia. This would have made the Hashemites, who were deposed as the stewards of Mecca, back in charge of another holy capital. He had to walk it back when other Arab states hungry for their piece declared war, but if he had accomplished that a lot of death & destruction would’ve been prevented. That willingness to work with Israel is what got him assassinated, much like Anwar Sadat.
China apparently has removed Israel from their maps

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Not sure what that specifically means but wouldn't it be funny if in turn other countries would announce "Taiwan is a real country" making China look like idiots?
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Wow, Hamas' ground game has really fallen off. They came out strong over running all those bases and out posts, but now they can't even IED a gaggle of reservists.
A lot easier ambushing unsuspecting motorists and kibbutzim than it is engaging trained soldiers. That’s always been the Pally way though...to paraphrase an early PLO commander “Better to kill a jew miles away from the battlefield than to kill 100 IDF on the battlefield.”

Here's a theory.

If this was directed at Israel, this would be needless bluster. Israel and Egypt are not going to war over Gaza.

This talk isn't directed at Israel. It's directed at the Gazans. Egypt does not want two million violent Palestinians in Egypt. They've used poison gas and intentionally flooded tunnels going into Egypt. They've kept the border closed to Gazans.
Hopefully, because Egypt’s military power is nothing to laugh at. Egypt gets like $4B/year to keep the peace with Israel, but the capital of the muslim mob can be irresistible. If that leak about Israel‘s strategy is true (completely displacing Gazans to the Sinai), it’s smart but a risky gambit. Nobody really gave a shit when Jordan slaughtered Palestinians by the train-loads, when Kuwait deported 400,000 Palestinians, etc...but that was before social media & high-speed internet.

🆕 In other news, Hezbollah associates are talking trash about Hamas leaders crying into their Qatari jacuzzis that Hezbollah isn’t doing enough.
 
I think three weeks to move 10 miles was a long enough evacuation window.
The civilians left in Gaza City and north got leaftlets and phone calls telling them to GTFO weeks ago. They could have crawled to safety by now.

If they want to hang out in shitty apartments over Hamas tunnels and stacks of explosives...well, OK.
I don't know how reliable this is, but people are saying that the Jabaliya bomb hit a tunnel that had ammo? and stuff in it, and the fucking ground opened up while exploding, swallowing people and buildings like a michael bay transformers film.
One of the Jabaliya craters left by a collapsed apartment building was way, way too deep to be anything other than sunken ground over a mess of Hamas underground infrustructure.

This is also close to a hospital that the IDF says has command structures and ammo storage under the main hospital buildings, so the Jabaliya tunnels would sprout out from that hospital (underground).
 
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