2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[AgendaPoster]

Gaza is internationally recognized territory of Israel. A UN member State. However, it has been set aside, by Israel, to serve as a refugee camp for Stateless Persons administered in theory by the United Nations but in practice by Hamas.

Imagine crying about Russia occupying Donbas and Crimea and then shilling and LYING for Israel lmao

 

[mindlessobserver]

And you claim to be an international rules respecter?

Heavens no. I respect American Power, not international rules.

So, you are ignoring international law, which considers Israel an occupying state, based on... what?

well for a start Israel doesn't occupy anything. All of its current territory is internationally recognized sovereignty, and where the Stateless refugee camps are exist at sufference under UN administration.

Occupation implies some sort of temporary military necessity. It's the wrong term to apply here, and you using it implies

 

[mindlessobserver]

Imagine crying about Russia occupying Donbas and Crimea and then shilling and LYING for Israel lmao

Nobody recognizes Russias claim to the Dombass. Maybe once Russia wins its war of choice with Ukraine, IF it wins it, we'll get around to it. Unlike Russia however, Israel did win its wars, and secure its internationally recognized borders.

 

[EyeGuy]

What, are they finally releasing the prismatic rare collection?

No, but they did release the "Hezbollah Scouts" expansion pack for Hassin Kurani, a member of their youth wing:

Number 50, Ali Hamza:

Lt. (Res.) Yuval Zilber, 25, of Ramat Gan, was killed in Gaza:

Whiny Amerimutt resigns his position as director of the New York office of the UN High Commissioner of Human Rights because he thinks they aren't anti-Israel enough:

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To Volker Turk, High Commissioner for Human Rights

Dear High Commissioner,

This will be my last official communication to you as Director of the New York Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.

I write at a moment of great anguish for the world, including for many of our colleagues. Once again, we are seeing a genocide unfolding before our eyes, and the Organization that we serve appears powerless to stop it. As someone who has investigated human rights in Palestine since the 1980s, lived in Gaza as a UN human rights advisor in the 1990s, and carried out several human rights missions to the country before and since, this is deeply personal to me.

I also worked in these halls through the genocides against the Tutsis, Bosnian Muslims, the Yazidi, and the Rohingya. In each case, when the dust settled on the horrors that had been perpetrated against defenseless civilian populations, it became painfully clear that we had failed in our duty to meet the imperatives of prevention of mass atrocites, of protection of the vulnerable, and of accountability for perpetrators. And so it has been with successive waves of murder and persecution against the Palestinians throughout the entire life of the UN.

High Commissioner, we are failing again.

As a human rights lawyer with more than three decades of experience in the field, I know well that the concept of genocide has often been subject to political abuse. But the current wholesale slaughter of the Palestinian people, rooted in an ethno-nationalist settler colonial ideology, in continuation of decades of their systematic persecution and purging, based entirely upon their status as Arabs, and coupled with explicit statements of intent by leaders in the Israeli government and military, leaves no room for doubt or debate. In Gaza, civilian homes, schools, churches, mosques, and medical institutions are wantonly attacked as thousands of civilians are massacred. In the West Bank, including occupied Jerusalem, homes are seized and reassigned based entirely on race, and violent settler pogroms are accompanied by Israeli military units. Across the land, Apartheid rules.

This is a text-book case of genocide. The European, ethno-nationalist, settler colonial project in Palestine has entered its final phase, toward the expedited destruction of the last remnants of indigenous Palestinian life in Palestine. What’s more, the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, and much of Europe, are wholly complicit in the horrific assault. Not only are these governments refusing to meet their treaty obligations “to ensure respect” for the Geneva Conventions, but they are in fact actively arming the assault, providing economic and intelligence support, and giving political and diplomatic cover for Israel’s atrocities.

In concert with this, western corporate media, increasingly captured and state-adjacent, are in open breach of Article 20 of the ICCPR, continuously dehumanizing Palestinians to facilitate the genocide, and broadcasting propaganda for war and advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, and violence. US-based social media companies are suppressing the voices of human rights defenders while amplifying pro-Israel propaganda. Israel lobby online-trolls and GONGOS are harassing and smearing human rights defenders, and western universities and employers are collaborating with them to punish those who dare to speak out against the atrocities. In the wake of this genocide, there must be an accounting for these actors as well, just as there was for radio Milles Collines in Rwanda.

In such circumstances, the demands on our organization for principled and effective action are greater than ever. But we have not met the challenge. The protective enforcement power Security Council has again been blocked by US intransigence, the SG is under assault for the mildest of protestations, and our human rights mechanisms are under sustained slanderous attack by an organized, online impunity network.

Decades of distraction by the illusory and largely disingenuous promises of Oslo have diverted the Organization from its core duty to defend international law, international human rights, and the Charter itself. The mantra of the “two-state solution” has become an open joke in the corridors of the UN, both for its utter impossibility in fact, and for its total failure to account for the inalienable human rights of the Palestinian people. The so-called “Quartet” has become nothing more than a fig leaf for inaction and for subservience to a brutal status quo. The (US-scripted) deference to “agreements between the parties themselves” (in place of international law) was always a transparent slight-of-hand, designed to reinforce the power of Israel over the rights of the occupied and dispossessed Palestinians.

High Commissioner, I came to this Organization first in the 1980s, because I found in it a principled, normbased institution that was squarely on the side of human rights, including in cases where the powerful US, UK, and Europe were not on our side. While my own government, its subsidiarity institutions, and much of the US media were still supporting or justifying South African apartheid, Israeli oppression, and Central American death squads, the UN was standing up for the oppressed peoples of those lands. We had international law on our side. We had human rights on our side. We had principle on our side. Our authority was rooted in our integrity. But no more.

In recent decades, key parts of the UN have surrendered to the power of the US, and to fear of the Israel Lobby, to abandon these principles, and to retreat from international law itself. We have lost a lot in this abandonment, not least our own global credibility. But the Palestinian people have sustained the biggest losses as a result of our failures. It is a stunning historic irony that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted in the same year that the Nakba was perpetrated against the Palestinian people. As we commemorate the 75th Anniversary of the UDHR, we would do well to abandon the old cliché that the UDHR was born out of the atrocities that proceeded it, and to admit that it was born alongside one of the most atrocious genocides of the 20th Century, that of the destruction of Palestine. In some sense, the framers were promising human rights to everyone, except the Palestinian people. And let us remember as well, that the UN itself carries the original sin of helping to facilitate the dispossession of the Palestinian people by ratifying the European settler colonial project that seized Palestinian land and turned it over to the colonists. We have much for which to atone.

But the path to atonement is clear. We have much to learn from the principled stance taken in cities around the world in recent days, as masses of people stand up against the genocide, even at risk of beatings and arrest. Palestinians and their allies, human rights defenders of every stripe, Christian and Muslim organizations, and progressive Jewish voices saying “not in our name”, are all leading the way. All we have to do is to follow them.

Yesterday, just a few blocks from here, New York’s Grand Central Station was completely taken over by thousands of Jewish human rights defenders standing in solidarity with the Palestinian people and demanding an end to Israeli tyranny (many risking arrest, in the process). In doing so, they stripped away in an instant the Israeli hasbara propaganda point (and old antisemitic trope) that Israel somehow represents the Jewish people. It does not. And, as such, Israel is solely responsible for its crimes. On this point, it bears repeating, in spite of Israel lobby smears to the contrary, that criticism of Israel’s human rights violations is not antisemitic, any more than criticism of Saudi violations is Islamophobic, criticism of Myanmar violations is anti-Buddhist, or criticism of Indian violations is anti-Hindu. When they seek to silence us with smears, we must raise our voice, not lower it. I trust you will agree, High Commissioner, that this is what speaking truth to power is all about.

But I also find hope in those parts of the UN that have refused to compromise the Organization’s human rights principles in spite of enormous pressures to do so. Our independent special rapporteurs, commissions of enquiry, and treaty body experts, alongside most of our staff, have continued to stand up for the human rights of the Palestinian people, even as other parts of the UN (even at the highest levels) have shamefully bowed their heads to power. As the custodians of the human rights norms and standards, OHCHR has a particular duty to defend those standards. Our job, I believe, is to make our voice heard, from the Secretary General to the newest UN recruit, and horizontally across the wider UN system, insisting that the human rights of the Palestinian people are not up for debate, negotiation, or compromise anywhere under the blue flag.

What, then, would a UN-norm-based position look like? For what would we work if we were true to our rhetorical admonitions about human rights and equality for all, accountability for perpetrators, redress for victims, protection of the vulnerable, and empowerment for rights-holders, all under the rule of law? The answer, I believe, is simple—if we have the clarity to see beyond the propagandistic smokescreens that distort the vision of justice to which we are sworn, the courage to abandon fear and deference to powerful states, and the will to truly take up the banner of human rights and peace. To be sure, this is a long-term project and a steep climb. But we must begin now or surrender to unspeakable horror. I see ten essential points:

1. Legitimate action: First, we in the UN must abandon the failed (and largely disingenuous) Oslo paradigm, its illusory two-state solution, its impotent and complicit Quartet, and its subjugation of international law to the dictates of presumed political expediency. Our positions must be unapologetically based on international human rights and international law.

2. Clarity of Vision: We must stop the pretense that this is simply a conflict over land or religion between two warring parties and admit the reality of the situation in which a disproportionately powerful state is colonizing, persecuting, and dispossessing an indigenous population on the basis of their ethnicity.

3. One State based on human rights: We must support the establishment of a single, democratic, secular state in all of historic Palestine, with equal rights for Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and, therefore, the dismantling of the deeply racist, settler-colonial project and an end to apartheid across the land.

4. Fighting Apartheid: We must redirect all UN efforts and resources to the struggle against apartheid, just as we did for South Africa in the 1970s, 80s, and early 90s.

5. Return and Compensation: We must reaffirm and insist on the right to return and full compensation for all Palestinians and their families currently living in the occupied territories, in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and in the diaspora across the globe.

6. Truth and Justice: We must call for a transitional justice process, making full use of decades of accumulated UN investigations, enquiries, and reports, to document the truth, and to ensure accountability for all perpetrators, redress for all victims, and remedies for documented injustices.

7. Protection: We must press for the deployment of a well-resourced and strongly mandated UN protection force with a sustained mandate to protect civilians from the river to the sea.

8. Disarmament: We must advocate for the removal and destruction of Israel’s massive stockpiles of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons, lest the conflict lead to the total destruction of the region and, possibly, beyond.

9. Mediation: We must recognize that the US and other western powers are in fact not credible mediators, but rather actual parties to the conflict who are complicit with Israel in the violation of Palestinian rights, and we must engage them as such.

10. Solidarity: We must open our doors (and the doors of the SG) wide to the legions of Palestinian, Israeli, Jewish, Muslim, and Christian human rights defenders who are standing in solidarity with the people of Palestine and their human rights and stop the unconstrained flow of Israel lobbyists to the offices of UN leaders, where they advocate for continued war, persecution, apartheid, and impunity, and smear our human rights defenders for their principled defense of Palestinian rights.

This will take years to achieve, and western powers will fight us every step of the way, so we must be steadfast. In the immediate term, we must work for an immediate ceasefire and an end to the longstanding siege on Gaza, stand up against the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, Jerusalem, and the West Bank (and elsewhere), document the genocidal assault in Gaza, help to bring massive humanitarian aid and reconstruction to the Palestinians, take care of our traumatized colleagues and their families, and fight like hell for a principled approach in the UN’s political offices.

The UN’s failure in Palestine thus far is not a reason for us to withdraw. Rather it should give us the courage to abandon the failed paradigm of the past, and fully embrace a more principled course. Let us, as OHCHR, boldly and proudly join the anti-apartheid movement that is growing all around the world, adding our logo to the banner of equality and human rights for the Palestinian people. The world is watching. We will all be accountable for where we stood at this crucial moment in history. Let us stand on the side of justice.

I thank you, High Commissioner, Volker, for hearing this final appeal from my desk. I will leave the Office in a few days for the last time, after more than three decades of service. But please do not hesitate to reach out if I can be of assistance in the future.

Craig Mokhiber

Morning IDF spokesman footage of airstrikes and ground forces (includes a shot of the doggo unit):

 

[SBG]

You're right. Israel is creating more terrorists through their heavy handed response - issue is that they don't care.
Time and time again you see with conflicts in the Middle East that bombing a population for the sins of either one dictator or a certain bad actors doesn't exactly sit well with the people living there, no matter how justified it may seem on the outside. When Burgerland invaded Iraq in '03 for the stated purpose of taking out Saddam and his regime, sure you could say he was an evil person. Someone who needed to be deposed. But is it justified to take out an entire city block just to get a chance at killing one man? Should the entirety of Iraq be laid waste to, women and children bombed to smithereens - husbands and fathers gunned down just because muh evil Saddam?

Yeah I'm not sure it was that common that the US was bombing apartment buildings just to bomb a single person. They seemed to go through a huge amount of effort to essentially act as police forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is what put them at risk of IEDs and all sorts of random attacks.

Bigger problem in Iraq was no one wanted to set aside their ethnic differences just because they had a Democracy now. That's not to suggest they ever would, but it did cause more problems than the US acting as a boogeyman for acting as the police force of their newfound Democracy.

The idea that Hamas has been, is or will be any tangible threat to Israel is completely laughable.

They killed over a thousand people so far, that makes them seem pretty threatening even if it's not really enough to do away with the entire country of Israel.

 

[diroama]

You don't get to decide who deserves a state. Israel is a habitual rule breaker. It must stop being treated preferentially and that rules based order must be imposed on it.

Who does 'get to decide'?

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

Damn, where was the outrage when the Mulan remake was filmed next to active death camps? I fucking hate these bug-people so much its unreal. Trust fund babies will gleefully support killers and rapists that would saw their heads off in a heartbeat.

God damn these scumbags! Forcing me to actually hope a modern disney movie succeeds! Unforgivable!

But yeah seriously this.. Didn't see that reply a few pages ago? The pals openly support the CCP death camps and released statements trying to cover for them! You couldn't make this shit up!

 

[EyeGuy]

Map of volunteers who came to help out at a farm on the Gaza border:

Israel fired something at the Al Ghifari tower, the tallest building in Gaza. Could be a "knock on the roof" warning:

 

[SBG]

When Romania and Ukraine had territorial disagreements, we solved them through the international courts, like civilized peoples. Palestine and Israel must be forced to do the same.

Who does 'get to decide'?

I'm wondering how you force Hamas to go through a court system. Even being willing to level any structure holding Hamas hasn't been enough to force them to give up hostages. Seems easier to pressure Romania or Ukraine to go to court since they still need to do trade with Europe, but what all leverage does anyone have against Palestinians/Hamas?

 

[Funeral for a Furry]

So all those Palestinians that was cheering and screeming on the first day I would guess there less that would do that now, those left alive.
There are reports that HAMAS is starting to lose control on the people in there area, if that is true it's a problem.

 

[curson]

Dronestrike against IDF.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

There are reports that HAMAS is starting to lose control on the people in there area, if that is true it's a problem.

So the dumb Gaza apes are finally growing tired of the terrorist scum? Why? Isn't becoming a martyr the best thing ever?

 

[diroama]

I'm wondering how you force Hamas to go through a court system. Even being willing to level any structure holding Hamas hasn't been enough to force them to give up hostages. Seems easier to pressure Romania or Ukraine to go to court since they still need to do trade with Europe, but what all leverage does anyone have against Palestinians/Hamas?

Go to which court? To decide what? Who enforces the verdict? What laws apply?

The rise and fall of states isn't a legal process. What gives a state the 'right to exist' is its ability to enforce its existence - either militarily, through the support of the military of allies, or financially.

Israel gave itself the right to exist in 1947 when it overcame an existential threat from a dozen arab states. This also took away the right of Palestine to exist as a sovereign state - its the artificial external pressure since to allow it to exist in some form which is at the root of the modern problems in the area.

Palestinians today would be much better off if their parents had become Arabic Israeli citizens.


Edit: i realise I'm arguing aginst myself with regards to Israel as it is in itself an 'artificial creation' of the UN and without that, it wouldnt have existed in any form in order to face an existential threat in the first place, but that happened and we are where we are today like it or not.

 

[EyeGuy]

Very difficult loss of one of the heroes of 7/10, Lt. Col. Salman Habaka, 33, of Yanuh-Jat, commander of the 53rd brigade (armored). He is the most senior Israeli officer killed since the start of the ground operation, and is survived by his wife and daughter.

When he heard about the attack at 7:30 Saturday morning, he drove 240 km from his home to the unit's base at Tze'elim. By 10:30 his tanks were underway, and by 12:30 they were engaging Hamas at Be'eri. They were the first armored forces to respond.

A video he recorded before the start of the ground operation:

Hello everyone, my name is Salman Habaka, commander of the 53rd brigade. I want to tell all of you that the 53rd brigade, with its glory and power, with its tanks, is ready for any challenge. Saturday morning, the brigade woke up to a horrifying morning, and very quickly found itself charging in its tanks towards the settlements on the [Gaza] periphery. It turned the tables and stabilized the situation of the settlements. Now, we're preparing ourselves to strike the enemy with powerful and deadly strength. I'm sending you my encouragement, and I expect from you - the nation of Israel - I expect from you to continue to be unified, to continue to be resilient, to continue to be united, because we'll only know how to win together. Our strength is in our unity. We have no other choice. This is the time to come together, this is the time to unite, this is the time to support one another, and to lead to one goal - victory. We have no other choice - victory!

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

well for a start Israel doesn't occupy anything.

Yeah there haven't been tens of years of nearly unanimous UN calls for Israel to return to the borders they occupied in the 70's that were torpedoed and veto'd by the US and micronations attached to the US like remoras on a shark.

 

[Male Idiot]

The black Israelites are fighting pro Palestinian protesters in Chicago.
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Interesting how the Kosher Kangs chimp noticably less. I stand with Blacksrael!

lmao he's calling Palestinians rats and undesirable

Squeek squeel muttthings, we will conquer devour your borgars-goyslop!

The police holding back Arabs from attacking niggers who think they are Hebrew Space Pharaohs™ in the streets of Chicago. We truly live in strange times.

They should get Israel. Ye as king David 2.0!

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Old Israel tweet where they brag about promoting US laws has resurfaced. This is honestly why support among the youth for Israel is down and Israel only had themselves to blame

How do you enforce a law against people not buying things? Just curious. Mandated 1 purchase from Israel a month?

All that did was refill McDonalds meat inventory for the day.

We will have-seek our vengeance, remember the 6 goeillion clanrats!

The light side and dark side lost updated. This time less Star Wars and more anime-inspired. Jewish journalists still openly hate the Irish.
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India is in lightside! Darth Pajeet has been redemeed by Luke Hardeep Poowalker!

Actually how are rabbis allowing soldiers to get married before they go out to fight? Torah is very clear that after a man gets married he cannot go out to war for a year and the possibility of creating a widow which has marriage restrictions exists.

Maybe some lawyering? Like the soldier isn't separated if he has zoom calls?

 

[diroama]

Following on from their festive Palestinian flag burning, British chain marks and Spencer have caused more outrage with this coded Zionist Instagram post

 

[Instant_Pot_User]

So the dumb Gaza apes are finally growing tired of the terrorist scum? Why? Isn't becoming a martyr is the best thing ever?

Only if you've been completely initiated into the Houthi Slogan Club.

 

[EyeGuy]

Israeli MMA fighter Haim Gozali, known for feuding with Chechen UFC fighter Khamzat Chimaev over Israel/Palestine, posted a video on Instagram of an artillery shell with the names of Chimaev and three other Caucasian MMA fighters:

Israeli Arabic-language propaganda video:

 

[AgendaPoster]

Heavens no. I respect American Power, not international rules.

Nobody recognizes Russias claim to the Dombass. Maybe once Russia wins its war of choice with Ukraine, IF it wins it, we'll get around to it. Unlike Russia however, Israel did win its wars, and secure its internationally recognized borders.

I pity Ukraine and I pity my country for having such pride-filled, inconsistent, evil allies, and for having no other choice.
We will remember all of this exceptionalism and chest beating, as well as the likely near future abandonment.
To be clear, you CANNOT expect people play by the rules if you disrespect them openly.
If you are seeking power alone, openly and ruthlessly, you CANNOT cry when you get terrorism as a result and all the planet hates you.
"Rules based world order" -lol, turns out I just want to have an American Empire that does whatever it wants. /spit

I'm wondering how you force Hamas to go through a court system. Even being willing to level any structure holding Hamas hasn't been enough to force them to give up hostages. Seems easier to pressure Romania or Ukraine to go to court since they still need to do trade with Europe, but what all leverage does anyone have against Palestinians/Hamas?

The same way you pressure Serbia to remove its troops from Bosnia and Kosovo.
And you do not "pressure Hamas"
You pressure Israel too.