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Terrifik said:
just say your mad miss the chanse to be elected

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Hillary yet again showing she's an idiot. While the nazi party did have representatives elected to the reichstag, hitler was never elected to power. He was appointed chancellor by president von hindenburg after the last three people that were appointed were total shit at the job and made things worse. Then in 1934 hindenburg died and hitler illegally combined the offices of president and chancellor instead of calling for a presidential election like he was constitutionally required to do, following the announcement of claims that a vote (that never took place) approved of this action, which the reichstag (and people as a whole) looked the other way on

But no, he was never 'duly elected' to anything and any politician trying to make those kinds of claims to benefit their own position or fearmonger shouldn't be allowed to hold office, as it shows them to be either entirely ignorant of what they're talking about or lying through their teeth
 
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verissimus said:
Our oldest ally...not France who was our first back when this country was still an infant, not Spain who pretty much was our second ally at the time, not Britain and her commonwealths and dominions during WW1, WW2 and afterwards, but Israel. Piss off.
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It's only America's oldest ally because of evangelical's selfish desire to see Israel destroyed so fucking armageddon can commence because they have it in their heads that out of all the human race they will be the ones God saves. Want to end Israels dominance over American politicians? Purge the evangelical's starting with the dumbfucks that actually go to Israel to put their hand on a fucking wall while wearing that dumb hat.
 
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Democrats Flip County Donald Trump Won by Nearly 60 Points​

Democratic Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear looks set to pull off a big win in Letcher County, which former President Donald Trump won by nearly 60 points in 2020, as he fended off a challenge from Republican Daniel Cameron to secure a second term in office.

With more than 95 percent of the votes cast in Kentucky counted, Beshear had 53 percent of the vote to Cameron's 47 percent, with the Associated Press calling the race for the Democratic incumbent.

Beshear's victory looked particularly impressive in Letcher County, in the east of Kentucky, which voted for Trump by 79.1 percent of the vote versus 19.7 percent for Joe Biden in 2020. By contrast, in 2023 Beshear is leading in the county with 52 percent of the vote against 48 percent for Cameron, the Kentucky attorney general.

The apparent win in Letcher County was highlighted on X, formerly Twitter, by MeidasTouch, a self-styled "pro-democracy" media outlet. It posted: "Andy Beshear just flipped Letcher County, Kentucky, a county Donald Trump won in 2020 by nearly 60 points."

This post went viral, receiving more than 2,500 retweets and 10,000 likes, along with over 773,000 views.

Posting on X after AP called his victory, Beshear commented: "Tonight, our Commonwealth rejected anger politics and proved there is more that unites us than can ever divide us."

Newsweek has reached out to Governor Beshear and the Trump campaign for comment by email.

Cameron had been endorsed by the 2024 Republican presidential frontrunner in the polls, Donald Trump. Speaking after his primary win was confirmed in May, he said: "The Trump culture of winning is alive and well in Kentucky."

Speaking to Newsweek on Tuesday, D. Stephen Voss, an associate professor of political science at the University of Kentucky, said observers should be cautious about assuming the state's result reflects the national picture. He said: "Kentucky is a quirky state, outsiders should hesitate to read much into the governor's election. There is a degree to which Kentucky is caught up in national moods and some signs could indicate how voters feel. But a year is far to speculate on the 2024 presidential election."

Beshear's win came after a preelection poll, released on November 3, recorded the governor and Cameron were tied at 47 percent. This survey of 1,000 likely voters, by Emerson College, was conducted between October 30 and November 2. A previous survey from the same pollster, of 450 registered voters between October 1 and 3, had given Beshear a 16-point lead over his Republican challenger.

Ahead of the vote, U.K.-based bookies Betfair Exchange recorded Beshear was the clear frontrunner in the contest. Speaking to Newsweek last week, the company's spokesperson Sam Rosbottom said: "For the Kentucky governor election, Andy Beshear is the clear 1/5 frontrunner to serve a second term, with Republican Daniel Cameron 7/2 to upset the odds in the race."

President Biden celebrated Thursday's results, which saw a number of prominent Democratic wins, and Ohio voters entrenching abortion rights in the state constitution, on X.

He wrote: "Across the country tonight, democracy won and MAGA lost. Voters vote. Polls don't. Now let's go win next year."
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The results say more about Beshear and Cameron then it does about Trump and Biden but it is interesting to see.
 
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A limey with retarded opinions on American politics? Many such cases! Sad!
For context: Kennedy is a Papist lol.

Kentucky is the most overhyped election of the night. It directly follows the historical precedent of the last 50 years, but Fox News desperately needed clickbait about a Republican losing in a Republican state.
 
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A limey with retarded opinions on American politics? Many such cases! Sad!
For context: Kennedy is a Papist lol.

Kentucky is the most overhyped election of the night. It directly follows the historical precedent of the last 50 years, but Fox News desperately needed clickbait about a Republican losing in a Republican state.
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Your as much a retarded faggot as your namesake.
 
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The results say more about Beshear and Cameron then it does about Trump and Biden but it is interesting to see.
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The one thing people don't want to accept or even broach, but it's true in this case, is Kentucky hillbillies likely didn't vote for Cameron because he's black. Cameron was McConnell's underling, raised to be this shining example of "see, black republicans exist!" because Mitch has his pulse not on the people of Kentucky but of the DC Beltway. In a sick way this was Mitch grooming his successor for his own white guilt and to show "he's the nicest turtle and won't be put in the gulag because of this."

Blacks in Kentucky cities wouldn't vote for him because he's seen as a sellout, especially pissing off black women because he's married to a white chick, and the hillbilly whites wouldn't vote for him when they have the good ol' boy's son as governor, because they have nothing to lose with a republican supermajority in the house and senate.
 
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Beshear won solely because of his daddy, this is well known in Kentucky. They love his daddy and he's been careful to stay in the middle on most issues so he can remain safely in his daddy's shadow. Once a Beshear is no longer on the ballot Republicans will win the governor's office in Kentucky every time. They vote for the name, not the party, in that one instance. That's why he wins while every other statewide office goes comfortably to Republicans and the GOP has a veto proof majority in each chamber of the legislature
 
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Eekum Bokum said:
Your as much a retarded faggot as your namesake.
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Ooh be careful, I wouldn’t want your local constable to raid you for hate speech.

The trend of nominating a Black Republican to prove the GOP isn’t racist has been one of the dumbest things done by the party this millennium. Has a single one actually won?
 
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The results say more about Beshear and Cameron then it does about Trump and Biden but it is interesting to see.
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Cameron is attached at the hip publicly to McConnell.
This is Trump's base telling McConnell they prefer a democrat to him.
That county could be used to measure the "fuck the mcLeadership" vote.
Which according to that is 26.1% of the total or a whopping 32.99% of the GOP voters.

I repeat 33% of GOP voters are so fed up with the "old guard's" failure to deliver they're willing to cross the aisle to punish them at the polls. (with the caveat that they know legislative supermajorities will protect them from policy results)

Either the GOP rapidly gets behind Trump or 2024 is going to be some interesting mixed results.

edit: Baris has been polling "trump or bust" and quantifying it at circa 20%. Given the safety of voting a democrat in with 2/3 majorities in the legislature, I'd say that's about right, and it shows another 13% are looking at that airplane's door too and considering making that bailout
 
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The fundamental thing that makes Dems win is that they deny the humanity of anyone who disagrees with their positions.

This is powerful. It motivates their voters.

Hate is what wins elections.
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Hate to say it, but he's not wrong. All their positions run on "compassion." The ultimate form of manipulation. Good luck attempting to apply logic to their positions without them falling under the "think of the children" mentality.
 
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The Race to Replace Mitch McConnell as GOP Leader Is Already On​

The longest-serving leader in the history of the Senate, Mitch McConnell (R-KY), still has three years left in a legislative career that has spanned four decades.

But with questions about McConnell’s health proving to be stubbornly enduring—and rumors about his possible retirement persistently floating around Capitol Hill—the race to replace him as Senate Republican leader is already on.

Senators aren’t so crass as to openly campaign for a position that isn’t yet open. Trying to nudge McConnell out the door, as Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) did at the start of this Senate session—is widely seen as counterproductive.

But McConnell’s reign will end at some point—perhaps far sooner than in January 2027—and those familiar with the early machinations of his would-be successors assure The Daily Beast that senators are quietly preparing themselves to make their cases.

“The race is happening,” one senior GOP aide familiar with the situation told The Daily Beast last week. “It’s happening under the surface, but it’s already ongoing.”

Not only do senators want to avoid the appearance of seeking the post at this stage, but many distanced themselves from any talk of succession whatsoever. In interviews in the Capitol on Tuesday, several senators denied hearing about the maneuvering in anticipation of McConnell’s retirement.

In fact, many GOP senators testified that McConnell is in good health, or at least better health than earlier this year. Three senators—Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME), Mike Rounds (R-SD) and John Cornyn (R-TX)—each called the leader “sharp” as ever.

“He seems like he’s back to his old self,” said Sen. Mike Braun (R-IN).

But to some in the GOP conference, the idea that some senators are angling to succeed McConnell when the time comes is hardly offensive; it’s obvious.

“I don't think there's been a big shock there that there are a few people who… gauge more often than others, raise more money than others, and they're in a position where they can. And why not?” asked Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-ND).

“I mean, we all know Mitch isn’t going to be leader a decade from now—at least I don’t think so,” Cramer continued. “And so it’s only natural that people who have been around a while would position themselves for the moment when it opens.”

On Capitol Hill, it’s widely believed that someone by the name of John will be the next Senate Republican leader: either Cornyn, Sen. John Thune (R-SD), or Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY). The former No. 2, current No. 2, and current No. 3, respectively, the three men have been allies of McConnell and have been seen as patiently waiting to run for the job when he retires.

But a few Republicans suggested that the pool of candidates might well be larger.

“I don’t think there's any jockeying by the people most likely to succeed him,” said Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT), mentioning Thune, Cornyn, and Barrasso. “But I know there’s always going to be some agitators who would like to go in an entirely different direction, and they’ll stir the pot as they think they can.”

Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO), who did not support McConnell in his last leadership election, was clear that the field likely wouldn’t be limited to the three Johns, as they’ve become known on Capitol Hill.

“You never know who else might, in an open leadership contest, who else might run,” Hawley said. “I’m not thinking of anybody in particular, but, you know, I would say I don’t think it's necessarily the case that it would be limited to only two or three candidates. There are maybe four or five.”

It’s unclear exactly who those candidates might be. But among the Senate GOP’s growing flank of senators aligned with Donald Trump, there is a craving for new leadership with a more stridently right-wing and combative style. Although Scott’s challenge to McConnell failed earlier this year, he did pick up 10 votes, accounting for roughly 20 percent of the conference.

According to GOP sources attuned to the nuances of the potential candidates, there are plenty of signs that the shadow campaign to succeed McConnell is hiding in plain sight.

“If you look closely, the three Johns are clearly trying to one-up each other at every turn,” said a different senior Republican aide.

“It’s no coincidence that you see John Barrasso parading around Kari Lake,” the aide continued. (Barrasso endorsed Lake’s candidacy for Senate in Arizona last month, making him the first high-ranking Senate Republican to endorse the MAGA firebrand who is beloved by the party base but feared by others to be an obvious loser in that purple state.)

“I don’t think you could dream up two people cut from a more different cloth in temperament and style,” the aide said of Barrasso—a low-key doctor turned politician—and the combative and attention-craving Lake.

The chatter around Capitol Hill, as well as the lobbyist world of K Street, is that Thune, currently Minority Whip, would have the inside track for the top job. As McConnell’s direct lieutenant, the move is an obvious one, and the role has given him plenty of opportunities to prove his leadership mettle to members.

According to The Hill, Thune has asserted himself more conspicuously in recent policy fights—in particular playing a leading role in Senate GOP strategy over avoiding a government shutdown in September.

Notably, Thune might be likeliest to continue McConnell’s streak of breaking with the party’s de facto leader—Trump—when warranted. The former president’s orbit certainly considers him an enemy, trying to no avail to defeat him in his successful 2022 re-election campaign.

Thune’s ability to easily overcome MAGA resistance back home could make him an appealing option to a Senate conference that largely can’t wait to move on from Trump. It also ensures that outside activists would attempt to derail any leadership bid from Thune, as they did with varying House Republicans during their leadership struggle in October.

But Thune would face stiff competition. Cornyn, who held that same No. 2 position from 2013 to 2019, would have a strong case to make to Republican senators.

For one, Cornyn is an effective GOP fundraiser: in the 2022 midterm cycle, his joint fundraising committee raised $11 million that directly went to GOP campaigns and committees, according to federal campaign finance records.

On top of that, Cornyn hauled in an additional $9 million for the National Republican Senatorial Committee and other Republicans, much of which came from fundraisers he hosted, according to a source familiar with his political operation.

Only McConnell has raised more money for Senate Republicans than Cornyn. He’s also won contentious leadership elections before.

While certainly a partisan Republican, Cornyn is also known to have solid working relationships with various wings of his conference—and with Democrats, too. The Texan played a leading role in crafting a major bipartisan gun safety bill last year, for instance, and has historically tried to work across the aisle on criminal justice and immigration reforms with his colleagues on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

In today’s GOP, of course, Cornyn’s bipartisan sensibility could just as easily be seen as a liability, and Senate conservatives—not to mention outside activists—could make it a focal point of any campaign against him.

Barrasso has served as Republican Conference chair, the No. 3 position, since 2019, where he has been in charge of crafting GOP messaging on legislative matters. Considered more of a partisan than Thune and Cornyn, the Wyoming senator might appeal to the senators who have been unhappy with McConnell’s leadership—should no one from that wing emerge to run.

While Trump has dismissed Barrasso, Thune, and Cornyn, the Wyoming senator’s embrace of Lake may reflect his inclination to make inroads with the more MAGA populist wing of the party.

Asked what he might want to see from the next leader, Hawley—who hails squarely from that faction of the conference—said the basic task at hand is “to unite your own conference and divide the opposition, not the reverse.”

“So I think it’s important that, you know, whoever comes next is willing to do that, and also is good to stand up for the priorities that the voters send us here for,” Hawley told the Daily Beast. “I mean, there’s a huge disconnect in this building between what people talk about when they’re at home with voters and then what actually happens here, and I think voters aren’t stupid. They know that.”

Since the beginning of the year, the 81-year-old McConnell has dealt with several health challenges that have put pressure on the leader and added arguments to the succession conversation.

In March, the longtime leader fell during a dinner in Washington, suffering a concussion and broken ribs that landed him in the hospital for an extended stretch, keeping him away from the Senate for six weeks.

In July and August, McConnell froze during press conferences in Washington and Kentucky. Capitol physician Brian Monahan said McConnell was “medically clear” to continue work after the most recent public freeze.

If McConnell is considering an early retirement from the Senate, his decision may be influenced by Tuesday’s elections in Kentucky, where the Democratic incumbent, Gov. Andy Beshear, defeated McConnell protégé Daniel Cameron to win re-election.

Under a 2021 Kentucky state law, if a senator leaves office early, the governor must select a Senate appointee from a list of three names selected by the state executive committee of the departing senator’s party. In McConnell’s case, that means if he leaves the Senate, by law, his successor would be a Republican, regardless of the governor’s party affiliation.

Beshear has signaled slotting a Republican into a Senate vacancy might not be so simple if he has anything to do with it. The governor fought the Kentucky General Assembly on the new law, and in September, he resisted committing to tapping a Republican to fill an empty Senate seat.

If Cameron won, it would have presented a cleaner avenue for McConnell to weigh in on his successor.

“Well the Governor appoints the person to fill the rest of the term so if Daniel wins, I can see him retiring because he can have a hand in selecting the person to fill his seat,” said a close friend of McConnell’s wife, former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, before Tuesday’s results were known.

“If Beshear wins, I think he will hang on until the legislature can change the law to eliminate the Governor’s appointment,” Chao’s friend said, referring to the questions about Beshear’s interpretation of the law.

But the law that the Kentucky legislature passed, overriding a Beshear veto, doesn't have an official name. But it has a conspicuous colloquial name around the Kentucky statehouse: ‘the Daniel Cameron Law,’ in reference to the belief that Cameron would be picked as McConnell’s successor.
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Buttigieg2020 said:
Ooh be careful, I wouldn’t want your local constable to raid you for hate speech.

The trend of nominating a Black Republican to prove the GOP isn’t racist has been one of the dumbest things done by the party this millennium. Has a single one actually won?
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it works in California and New York. Sometimes. It works better with latinas, the electorate really likes angry brown women.

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Hate to say it, but he's not wrong. All their positions run on "compassion." The ultimate form of manipulation. Good luck attempting to apply logic to their positions without them falling under the "think of the children" mentality.
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It's so compassionate to defund the police, leading to countless young black men losing their lives during the inevitable crime wave. But the voters eat it up, because they are stupid and believe anything they hear on NPR.
 
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I'm actually rather curious who they tap to replace him. A big part of McConnell's source of power is the fact that he's not in a safe seat. So the network he built in Kentucky quickly became essential to the party.
If somebody in a R+20 state winds up replacing him, that allows the party to swing much more right-wing after McConnell, likely in a MAGA direction. But that might make it harder to win races outside of deep red states.
 
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