Homosexuality is evil.

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Recently I've realized there's much more to homosexuality than just same-sex attraction. I used to buy that line, that gays were exactly like straights with a swapped sexuality, but I don't think that's the case anymore. IMO you can't modify much about human sexuality without massively affecting other parts of the psyche. Even the most popularly posited theories (in utero hormone level, childhood sexual abuse, etc) suggest massive changes to the entire person, even if they can't fully explain it. I'm not gonna pretend to have all the answers, but it infuriates me when people say it's just like heterosexuality when it's not. Many counterarguments try to say that straights can have fucked up sexualities/lives too, or that gays can live normal lives, and I'm not disputing either of those things. I'm just saying that homosexuality clusters with other deviances and disorders.

Anyways I wouldn't necessarily say it's evil, but it feels like LGB have to work twice as hard to be normal, since other parts of the personality/disposition are geared towards deviance. Forcing gays into leading lives of celibacy or trying conversion therapy would be counterproductive and fuck them up further, but they'll have to work hard at stamping out deviances the same way an alcoholic can't have a drop of the stuff.
 
This is a pretty dumb take.

Even if you go back 50-60 years(aka the ulta mega giga far right) the issue was public decency, which it has always been.

Based on what ive seen, what people have told me 99% of gay men fall into two categories;

Hypersexual deviants that dont care who gets them off, so their end state is simply hooking up with other hypersexual deviants men.

Men who where sexually abused during childhood so being gay was imprinted on them.

The premise was that if gay marriage was allowed, something worse will certainly follow.

And something much worse certainly has followed in its wake, troons which is going hand in hand with pedophilia. In case you havent realized social issues are generally an endless ratchet effect. Drugs are another fantastic example, look at the horrific problems we are facing with opioids now that weed has gained acceptance over the past decade.
Because there was no crack/meth/heroin epidemics before legal weed? Have you been living under a fucking rock?
 
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The city I live in didnt have its own version of skidrow 15 years ago.

Yes druggies have always existed, but the problem has exploded in the past 10ish years.
It became easy to buy online directly from China around a decade ago and thats when drug dealers realized they could buy fentanyl more easily than smuggling heroin. It has nothing to do with legal weed. The opioid crisis started 15 years before anywhere legalized weed around the late 90s early 00s.
 
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It became easy to buy online directly from China around a decade ago and thats when drug dealers realized they could buy fentanyl more easily than smuggling heroin. It has nothing to do with legal weed. The opioid crisis started 15 years before anywhere legalized weed around the late 90s early 00s.
Man ya'll of sum stupid ass mfers. I take fentanyl every day and I'm the pinnacle of health.
 
I bring it up as an example of something Jesus explicitly condemns but which modern churches generally tolerate.
Is the word of Christ not the final authority for Christians?

Also, when you say homosexuality do you mean behaviours or inclination?
 
Is the word of Christ not the final authority for Christians?
If you're Catholic, evidently not. They don't excommunicate divorcees.
More generally: if you insist that people be perfect before they come to church, you'll have an empty church and no purpose. The Church is meant to be accepting and tolerant of our imperfectness and sinfulness, and it's not as if sinning and bad behavior are unique to gays.
Also, when you say homosexuality do you mean behaviours or inclination?
All of it. Thoughts, behaviors, wet dreams, mental images. Jesus says if you think of fucking your neighbor's wife in your mind, you've already sinned.

I know there's some sad faggots out there trying to compromise and that they'll be openly gay, but strictly celibate. IRL I don't think that works and these "celibate" gays just push their relationships into the closet. (I generally oppose clerical celibacy. I think it creates conditions ripe for sex abuse of children and other vulnerable people in the church community.)

But even if it gay inceldom was workable, this gay person still has homosexual thoughts and fantasies, or else they wouldn't be gay and out. So per Jesus act vs. fantasy isn't too different. But I also think that Jesus is less concerned about violations of halakha and more concerned about finding that one lost sheep and bringing it back to the fold.
 
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If you're Catholic, evidently not. They don't excommunicate divorcees.
More generally: if you insist that people be perfect before they come to church, you'll have an empty church and no purpose. The Church is meant to be accepting and tolerant of our imperfectness and sinfulness, and it's not as if sinning and bad behavior are unique to gays.
I'm not Christian but have several Christian friends, and from they've told me it's not that you have to be 'perfect before they come to church' but everyone, gay, straight, whatever, is meant to avoid sinning as much of possible. Celibacy might be hard but not impossible. That's my understanding anyway. Any Christians feel like weighing in here?
 
I'm not Christian but have several Christian friends, and from they've told me it's not that you have to be 'perfect before they come to church' but everyone, gay, straight, whatever, is meant to avoid sinning as much of possible. Celibacy might be hard but not impossible. That's my understanding anyway. Any Christians feel like weighing in here?
It's not as if Christians follow *any* other of the Levirate rules. This is an exercise in cherry-picking the lessons you like to form a faith which never challenges you.
 
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